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The Magician–no longer just an ego in a bag of skin…

by / Monday, 07 April 2008 / Published in Uncategorized

Last time we looked at the developmental stage called the Strategist in Susanne Cook-Greuter’s developmental model. In this post I’m going to look at the developmental stage after the Strategist, the Magician. The Magician’s perspective is significantly different from that of the Strategist. The Strategist is the epitome of the well-organized, complex separate self, the master of his world. He is able to see and understand a complex universe from a perspective centered on, and in, the self. On the other hand, the Magician, though he has a separate self, begins to see through that self and begins to disidentify with it. His sense of self includes the separate self, but adds to it the infinite number of interconnections he shares with the rest of the universe–not as something he knows about, but rather as something he feels and experiences. As we go further, I’ll explain what I mean by that. The view of the Magician, however, is an entirely new way of seeing oneself and the universe.

Let’s review the main achievements of the Strategist, so we can more easily see the progression from Strategist to Magician. The Strategist fully sees the self and its complex relationships with the rest of the world. He is able to understand and work with the shifting complexity of the multiple interconnected systems that make up his life. Instead of passively throwing up his hands at the paradoxical and constantly shifting relativity inherent in reality, as did the Individualist, he is able in any given moment to find a small spot on which to stand temporarily in order to take practical action in that moment–despite the fact that in the next moment the situation will likely shift.

The Strategist realizes that there are multiple ways of seeing the world, as did the Individualist, but the Strategist does not see all perspectives as equal. Some are better: they are more practical, more in tune with his values, his integrity, or the demands of the situation–even though what is “better” might possibly change in the next moment.

The Strategist, in addition to having mastered logical thinking, rationality, and cause and effect, also utilizes other forms of information, including dreams, the wisdom of his body, and intuition. And though his individual boundaries are solid, he feels deeply connected to the rest of humanity, seeing that beyond the limitless variations we’re also alike in fundamental ways.

The Magician shares these achievements, but takes them further, expressing them and utilizing them from a different sort of center. Instead of a separate “me” encapsulated in the body, the Magician’s center is larger, more expanded. He still has a sense of an individual self, but has begun to see (and feel) it as more of an abstraction, a construct, an idea, than as an solid or intrinsic reality. Though one perspective through which the world can be viewed, the subject/object, “me/not-me” distinction seems confining and no longer represents his full experience of reality.

As Susanne Cook-Greuter puts it, the Magician realizes that

…the “ego” has functioned both as a central processing unit for stimuli and as a central point of reference and self-identity. Once they realize this fundamental ego-centricity, it is felt as a constraint to further growth and understanding. Magicians start to wonder about the meaningfulness of more and more complex thought structures and integrations such as can be imagined with a fifth or nth person perspective. They start to realize the absurdity or automatic limits of human map making in the representational domain.

In other words, the ego at this stage has become transparent to itself. The final knowledge of the self sought by the Strategist is now seen to be impossible, because the self is now seen for what it is: a construct, an idea, a way of structuring reality, but not as a real “thing”–just as the border between the US and Canada is just a useful, but imaginary, line. Instead of the self being experienced solely in the individual organism, as in the previous developmental stages, there are now moments when it seems to include everything, the entire universe (an experience more fully integrated in the next developmental stage, the Ironist).

This is more than just a new way of thinking. It is, rather, a new experience of self that includes the previous experience of a separate self while adding not just a knowledge of one’s connection to everything else, but the actual experience of those connections as the self.

Part of this shift is due to the Magician’s insight that language, with its bias toward separate “subjects” who then do something to other separate “objects,” along with social conditioning and mental map-making, are attempts to freeze or pin down an always-moving, infinitely complex, constantly unfolding multidimensional process into static and enduring things. These conditioned habits are seen for what they are: useful, perhaps, in order to navigate the world, but confining and illusion-creating.

The Magician begins to see that all the things humans do to mentally construct an enduring separate self are nothing more than attempts to make sense of the impermanence of human existence and to defend against the fear and self-doubt this creates–a resistance to the reality of the human predicament. On the other hand, he also acknowledging that doing so is a normal reaction to that predicament. The Magician sees the enormity of the existential paradox–and sees that there is no way out of it–but does not judge others for their attempts to come to terms with it.

(Eventually, in the highest developmental stages, in a small number of individuals, there is a complete surrender to this human predicament, to the fact that life is impermanent, and does involve suffering no matter what we do. This surrender is not unlike that of a person with a terminal illness who final comes to peace with his situation and thereafter radiates an equanimity that dramatically affects all those with whom he comes into contact.)

Being less identified with the separate self, the Magician no longer feels the need to defend it. This gives rise to a new spontaneity and a new sense of freedom. It may also cause others to see him as flaky or ungrounded if they take seriously what the Magician now sees as merely mental constructs. Since they have deconstructed what so many others take as truth and reality and few others see the world as they do, Magicians can often feel isolated from others.

We’ve noted that the Strategist has reached the highest level of rational meaning-making viewed from the perspective of a separate self. The Magician, having reached this peak, now begins to see through his own meaning-making. He sees the inherent contradictions in rational subject/object-based thought and the construction of more and more complex maps of reality. For the Magician, the map clearly is NOT the same as the territory. No map can remotely contain what it seeks to represent, and the Magician’s experience of reality has outstripped the ability of any map to contain or even come close to representing it.

The Magician has, for instance, become keenly aware that all rational map-making (including that underlying the mental creation of a separate self) involves the splitting of all processes and ideas into mutually exclusive polar opposites (good/bad, here/there, having/not having, buying/selling, up/down, life/death, etc.). It becomes increasingly obvious that this dualistic way of looking at the world fails to take into account, first of all, the arbitrary nature of all these divisions, and the fact that each pair of opposites arise together and depend upon each other (both sides of the polarity are defined in terms of the other). It becomes clear to the Magician that human unhappiness is largely the result of the tensions created as the world is arbitrarily parsed into approriate and inappropriate.

Partly for this reason, Magicians seek to undo the tethers they feel to the rational mind, to subject/object thinking, to unconscious conditioned responses, to social conditioning, and to the pseudo-reality imposed by language. They create this disidentification through close observation of their own emotional and mental processing. As they watch, they begin to realize that their processing behavior is largely a defense–a futile attempt to permanently pin things down as a way of denying the impermanence of the embodied self.

The Individualist and the Strategist, then, are able to see through social conditioning, while the Magician sees through the predicament of the entire human situation. This is a shocking realization, and Magicians often feel a deep existential angst until (and unless) they surrender–like the terminally ill person above–to what they have discovered. Unfortunately this surrender generally does not happen until the next developmental level.

There are two changes in perspective that contribute to the shift from a locus of control and experience centered in the separate, embodied self, and toward a more expanded self beyond the ego and the body. First, in gaining distance from the internal processes underlying the Magician’s personal “story” and his map of reality, the Magician sees that what he thought was “reality” is really just one of an infinite number of possible (self-created) realities. If what he always thought was reality isn’t reality, then what is? This ability to see his own map-making enlarges the search for meaning to realms beyond the separate self and its rational meaning-making.

Second, this new ability to witness internal processes previously identified as “me” can sometimes lead to spontaneous experiences of the transcendent, where knower and known, subject and object merge, and the personal, limited self disappears.

Watching the ego’s stream of thoughts and feelings, but without becoming involved in them or trying to do anything about them (“watching thoughts go by like clouds in the sky”) creates freedom from the ego’s constant efforts at control and its moment-by-moment creation of a separate self. But once the Magician stops to “admire his work” or evaluate and analyze these experiences, he pops the still-fragile Oneness balloon. One of the characteristics of this stage is an ability to visit the transcendent, but without being able to reside there permanently. Giving up a separate self with which we’ve identified for so long, and which we’ve so strongly relied upon to make sense of our life, is difficult, and seeing the Promised Land without being able to move in is frustrating for the Magician.

When a full disidentification with the illusory separate self does happen to a human being, it isn’t the result of intentional actions. Ken Wilber has said, with tongue in cheek, that experiences of the transcendent are accidental, but that meditation makes one “more accident prone.” A permanent dropping of the separate self is in the same category–when it happens, it is an accident, but if one develops the expanded perspective that allows deconstruction of the separate self, one becomes more accident prone. Ironically, using the self to try to drop the self just reinforced the very thing we’re trying to get rid of.

Magicians can feel alone in the world, as there are few others like them and few with whom they can share their experience and perspective of life. As a result, Magicians sometimes see themselves as “better” than others. At the same time, they appreciate that others have their own ways of making sense of life, giving them a greater tolerance for the points of view of others even while seeing the limitations of that point of view. Dealing with so much complexity, and so many paradoxes inherent in life, Magicians can sometimes feel nostalgic for the days when their perspective and their way of understanding life was simpler. If they have trouble coming to terms with the realizations they’ve had about the human condition, Magicians can become depressed.

With a highly developed view of his own past ways of meaning-making, the Magician is the first developmental level with a wide enough perspective to fully see, understand, and empathize with the existential situation of those at previous developmental levels, to appreciate the developmental strategies of others. This wider perspective also allows them to adopt strategies from previous levels where such strategies would be resourceful. This puts them in an ideal position to provide skillful and empathetic mentoring or coaching. Magicians are able, for instance, to meet the power plays of Opportunists with their own power in a way that those at previous levels could not. Having a lower need for ego gratification and an ability to put feelings of self-importance aside, they are often more effective in helping others than are Strategists.

In the next post I’ll look at the last level in Susanne Cook-Greuter’s model of human development, the Ironist.

A few quick announcements before I go:

The May 2-3 Seattle workshop I’ll be doing with Zen master Genpo Roshi is full, in fact over-full (there is a waiting list). We are, however, going to do another workshop in New York, June 28-29.

I HAVE NOT TOLD ANYONE ABOUT THIS WORKSHOP–YET. I’M TELLING THOSE OF YOU WHO READ THIS BLOG FIRST, WHICH GIVES YOU FIRST SHOT AT THE SEATS–which I know will go fast. We will be mailing to the entire Centerpointe list about it soon, however.

The last time I did an event in New York–in 2003 on the evening of the day I spoke at the United Nations–it filled up almost literally overnight, with people flying in from Europe, Iceland, and even South America. And that was without the additional attraction of Genpo Roshi. If you want a spot at this workshop, this is your chance to move to the front of the line.

There are two main benefits to working with Genpo and me in New York. First, with the Big Mind process you WILL be able to have an experience of transcendent, unity consciousness, something that traditionally takes years or even decades of sitting in meditation to achieve.

That, in and of itself, is enough reason to be there.

Second, Big Mind is the most powerful tool I’ve ever seen for dealing with the shadow aspects of yourself that unconsciously create your suffering. A great deal of the Big Mind process involves healing these shadow aspects, and as you do this, huge positive changes happen.

Finally, just to be with Genpo Roshi is an amazing experience. If you go back to the post I did (about the third week of February) right after our LA workshop and read the comments posted by those who were there, you’ll see that everyone described it as the most amazing experience of their entire lives.

So, if you’re interested in being with us in New York, May 2-3, go to right now and reserve your seat. Both LA and Seattle sold out within days of my announcing them, and I suspect the same thing will happen with New York.

Here’s the other opportunity I want to tell you about. My good friend Dr. Jim Hardt is the world’s greatest authority on brainwave biofeedback, and I have frequently recommended his 7-day Alpha Brainwave training as being life-changing. It is, however, pretty expensive. Dr. Hardt has been gracious enough to extend a 20% discount to Centerpointe people, but even with this discount the training still isn’t cheap (though VERY worth it).

To allow more people to benefit, I suggested to Dr. Hardt that he create a way for you to observe a training as it happens, in the same way that musicians attend master classes with world-class musicians such as Yo-Yo Ma. Jim liked this idea and responded by creating an Alpha Brain Wave Master Class, where you see the process in action–while becoming an expert on brainwaves, biofeedback, processing unresolved material as it comes up, and a lot more.

This training is DIRT CHEAP, and very worth attending. They are held in the San Francisco Bay area, the next one starts May 3rd, and you can read all about it at

Dr. Hardt told me about the first of these Master Classes last weekend. I understand those in attendance were, literally, in ecstacy by the end. So go read the information about it, and then give Dr. Hardt a call and get to know him. I highly suggest that you at least click on the link and read the description.

And, finally, in my next post I’ll finish the Cook-Grueter developmental levels by describing the Ironist, the final level. Now, I’m off to lead a Centerpointe retreat.

Until then…

Be well.


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51 Responses to “The Magician–no longer just an ego in a bag of skin…”

  1. Will says :

    Thanks for the blog and all the info on the transformation ‘process’.
    Q:What level would you say you were at prior to Holosync and what level would you say you are at now?
    Q:Can we expect the same?
    Q:What benefits does Genpo Roshi gain from using Holosync that he has’nt already from his zen practice?
    Q:Is there any correlation between levels of Holosync and the developmental levels?


  2. Sam says :

    Cool! I was thinking like you could post a diagram/chart with all the levels on it or something like that. Might make it easier for visual people to make sense of it plus – just reinforcing the information is good. (Also putting in a few sentences on the chart about the level and possibly an example of something someone at that level might say).

    :) Good read

  3. Art Gonzalez says :

    Great post! Although its important to go on to this path of growth and mastery on must be careful to remember that God is the one that enables us to achieve our successes and we have to give the credit to him. On Deuteronomy 8, 17-18 it says:

    When you become successful, don’t say, ” I’m rich, and I’ve earned it all myself.” Instead, remember that the LORD your God gives you the strength to make a living. That’s how he keeps the promise he made to your ancestors.

    Many blessings to all,

    Art Gonzalez

  4. jared campbell says :

    Hi Bill,

    I havent seen you for years since I took those small persoanl development classes you were offering in your home .I really enjoyed this blog on the magician.My experience in the last few months has been one of increasing disidentification with boundaries of self and reality and increasing fluidity of self and with all others.With this embodied and disembodied sense of Oneness there are often periods of bliss that pop up ,experiences of the transcendent that emerge and fade.Also I have been finding I am more able to help others in my coaching and energy healing work sensing all developmental levels in anyone I meet and having less need for my own gratification than ever before so that I have a new found spaciousness from which to play with my clients while meeting them where they are.

    It would be great to hear from you sometime .Best Wishes,Jared

  5. Magicians and Ironists are growing in numbers, and the resultant shifts in energy around the world assist in these transformations. A circular and natural evolution. We all feel the gravitational pull home.

  6. Glenn Smith says :


    I certainly am appreciating the introduction to this model.

    I began teaching friends what I have discovered about human suffering and limits and while I at times experience mild disatisfcation at limits in some areas of my life situation, mostly I live in a state of impartial watching my mind cut the world up into bits and then placing meanings on those bits. And I know those limits are not real and I can see my mind create those limits.

    Distinction leads to interpretation leads to self-meaning = limitation and suffering.

    That is what I see myself and humans do and that is what I am teaching my friends.

    Thanks for the above post.

    Auckland, New Zealand

  7. AudioBooksGuy says :

    Hello Bill, thanks for sharing…the magician has a highly developed infinity to evoke the spiritual and paranormal, also master of illusion, escape artist and of fantasy, with the ability to think outside the box, a very interesting perspective to live by…

  8. Kurtis says :

    This one really resonated with me. I’ve been doing Holosync for about a year and three months. For some reason I have reallly fallen off the past month and missed a lot of days…regardless,
    …even still, I can lately see so clearly how much crap we all make up, including myself. The worst is when I actually get sick of myself, because I can see so clearly how contrived my own B.S. can be, (but it still won’t quit!)
    I’m hoping the later stages will take care of that, because although I feel that I am at a much higher level (I realy empathized with the Magician), it’s not exactly more peaceful being here- I guess emotions and drama are definitely more manageable, however. I feel frustrated, but much calmer- and very tramatic or dramatic situations register much lower on the “woe is me” meter.
    Anyway, I just really enjoyed this post, it made me feel a little bit less insane. Thanks. Kurtis

  9. David M Thomson says :

    In seeing oneself and the universe as it really is and then observing the illusion of human living where we run in circles it creates a frustration that is true. Is a magician another name for a ‘projector’ in Human Design that sees the bigger picture.
    There is another aspect to this in that the magician draws energies and experience to reinforce what he is thinking outside the box. The power to use those energies for people who are ill is possible. However the thinking is no good unless it is used for the good of humanity. Somehow it has to be released and this is what they are here to do; To change humanity. I believe that magicians or projectors are out of their time and have come here for a purpose to help the human race awaken to who they are and the connections we have to each other and the universe.
    Depression is a definite possibility, I am pulling out of mine now. Feeling isolated and misunderstood and in a sense having always had the feeling of being different. Few people understand because they are not wired to understand. Thanks for that blog Bill.


  10. Harold says :

    Dear Bill,

    I just came across your work on the Magician for the first time today. I’ve been doing Holosync since 2002 and now I’m on Purification level 4. The archetype of the magician (I suppose you might call it an archetype) has been important to me over the last 20 years. Because of my acting and literary background this fascination stemmed from the figure of Prospero in Shakespeare’s “The Tempest”. Whenever I saw the play I was always finicky about whether the actor could carry the first Act in which Prospero describes his life’s dilemma, having been robbed of his dukedom and cast overboard with his daughter Miranda in an open boat and left to die. The whole of this story is about the thorny path to maturity and and final elightenment. Prospero as you know encounters a powerful spirit called Ariel who has been left wedged in the trunk of a tree by a witch, the mother of Caliban, Prospero’s arch enemy and another facet of himself. This first act of the play to my mind represents the true genius of Shakespeare, himself coming to the end of his life, as he ponders what he has seen, what he has been and what he will yet be. The only actor who managed to carry off the first act in my opinion (should you be even remotely interested in knowing) was Michael Hordern in the BBC Shakespeare series.

    Prospero is exactly as you describe him. His life has been so devastated perhaps, that he can no longer retain a centre in the individual self. He is capable of great feats of magic. He can can summon up the spirits of classical antiquity and have conversations with them. Through Ariel, which is none other than himself, he can go on journeys, control the elements, subject all human beings to his will, attract his enemies to the enchanted island on which he lives and wreck them upon its shore. It is then, at the moment when it would have been possible to have wreaked a final and bloody vengeance, that he realises the love and mercy and forgiveness and grace that is truly within him.

    Holosync, ever since I started using it, but increasingly so nowadays, brings me into a state of profound seeing that is no longer the individual self but the universe contemplating itself while what is I, what was me, sits on and observes. I think you have caught something really important here Bill. There is a kind of profundity of mind that is reached when you use Holosync on a regular basis. Very often you can’t add it up. Sometimes you abandon it even for weeks or months, but apropos of the magician, you realise that your mind has been changed in significant ways. You start experiencing whole series of synchronicities, you have psychokinetic experiences with your environment, remote viewing is part and parcel of your life and so many other things happen.

    Not to make this too rambling – this work of yours is really terrific and you’ve gone on leaps and bounds from where you were just a couple of years ago. Just wanted to say congratulations and thanks for the way your work has helped me so much over the past 10 years or more.


  11. Krista says :

    I’m noticing as my awareness grows, I look at humanity and realize more and more that we are all just here making it up as best we can, making decisions on how to act, how to react and associate with whatever feelings one choices or thinks is correct.

    Some of us have more junk in the way, and your holosync program is so great for helping to remove all of that. Since I’ve started, I have had moments where I feel like……..

    ….my mind has actually taken a breath of FRESH AIR and it feels SO CLEAR that I just feel so peaceful and able to deal with whatever comes my way. Leaving me surprised that I would allow so much junk in it in the first place!

    And so goes the ebb and flow and it gets cloudy again; however the contrast and frequency gets less, which makes me excited for the possibility for discovering more potential. We just simply make up our reality, and perspective is everything. And clearing one’s mind seems to be a great first step.

    THANKS. Krista.

  12. Lynda Silva says :

    I have been doing Holo Sync, I’m on Disc#3 at the moment. My question is if we create our point of attraction, then how does or does it require a polarity? (like positive negative charge on a battery), we say it creates a resistance. Can we truly be responsible for all that happens in our life’s, is it not our work on the planet to deal with polarity.

  13. John Tessier says :

    Bill, thanks for the great post. There seems to be some confusion between the May 2-3 event in Seatle and the New York event on June 28-29. How do we book for the New York event in June?

    thanks John T

  14. Nolene says :

    The Magician begins to see that all the things humans do to mentally construct an enduring separate self are nothing more than attempts to make sense of the impermanence of human existence and to defend against the fear and self-doubt this create–a resistance to the reality of the human predicament. On the other hand, he also acknowledging that doing so is a normal reaction to that predicament.

    It’s late and I’m not able to get this section (above) to make sense grammatically. A little help, please. I’ll come back to this wonderful, rich food for my soul in the morning. By then maybe you will have shown me how to read this or I will have figured it out while I sleep (which I do a lot, lately). Thank you, Bill.

  15. It was “happenstance” that drew me to read your blog tonight about the Magician. Several months ago I had an experience of the transcendent that has completely altered my sense of self and reality. Though I understand what you wrote about the intrusion of superiority and depression, the most felt ongoing sense for me is relaxed delight. There is a wanting to return to the alive emptiness, yet the present is so full and delicious… simple acceptance of whatever is in front of me seems all I can even begin to handle.
    My computer skills are primitive; I’m in a fog about blogging… help :-)

  16. Toni says :

    Thanks Bill, I loved the Magician post, and the posts that followed. I also was in awe, and delighted by the synchrocity of reading this Blog at just the right time for me. That may sound a bit lame, however someone above mentioned the synchronicities that happen all the time when regularly listening to Holosync. I’m on Awakening level 3 and am so totally delighted with the journey. The detail you have written in the Magician post, explains so many things, even to detail like the ‘frustration’ about seeing the ‘chosen land’ but not being able to stay there, etc. Thanks again, it was exciting and encouraging to read this. I also loved the post about ‘The Tempest’ and Prospero. Being a great Shakespeare afficionado, it really rang a bell.

  17. Michelle Dibb says :

    After reading about Suzanne Cook-Greuter I visited her website and downloaded her writing on the egos development. for anyone interested.

    Reading about them was so clarifying for me as it reinforced that things I have felt are “normal”. I have spent my life feeling quietly “better” than others when alone but when around people my deep lack of confidence stifled me and I felt that everybody else was better than me.

    Now I know why. The stages of ego development explain these views. How can we have confidence when we are operating from an unreal “map”?

    Although living a normal kind of life, I have always felt that I didn’t want to be part of this world – that there was more. I have been able to achieve but never really desired achievement in anything external. I love to have money and nice things but competing to make a living has always felt hard.

    Now I realise that abundance can be “created”, that confidence is found in letting go of the “map” – I have always instinctively known there was more to life – but now, thanks to Holosync (I’ve only used it 6 weeks) and the many books around – I realise that we are here to consciously create and grow.

    With this awareness I have developed an amazing “love”, a warmth and happiness which feels to be radiating physically from my heart. A gratitude for everything – even my map. And I can notice when this warmth gets blocked. I also now completely trust that everything will be alright – or not – and that it doesn’t actually matter.

    I hope that many of you feel as alive as I do. This technology is incredible – thanks so much to Bill Harris for his product, his on going commitment to his customers and his blog.

  18. billie-jean says :

    hi bill,
    re the magician: would you write more regarding how one deals with being at this particular level ie depression & such awareness that can lead to the opposite which is not finding alot of joy in life because of such separateness from the general poplulation.

    thankyou kindly

  19. Genevieve says :

    Hello. Done Dive for 2 weeks now and did Dive plus Immersion for the first time this morning and I feel incredibly relaxed. When I finished the CD, I realised that it is raining outside, which is a bit wierd.

    I will begin my fist lesson in Life Principles Integration Process now. I really wish to change my life. I have experienced some tragedies recently and I am unwilling to let them stop me from finding happiness and success in the world. I hope that the program will help me do that.

  20. Jane says :

    Thank you for the post Bill – something happen a long while ago which caused a breakthrough which allowed me to see my own process and the seeming `reality` I had constructed for myself. This seeming `reality` guided me, and I thought protected me through the years. This protection though was nothing more than a limiting thoughtform which I had taken as being real. I also saw there was a world of possibilities and that nothing was `fixed` as we tend to think it is. This was an extremely profound experience and it has taken me along time to work through and accept it, and it does give a feeling of isolation because there are so few people who understand what I am talking about.
    There was also the realisation that what we think we know has been nothing but hand me downs through aeons of time. I placed myself in the position of `not knowing` which was quite a humbling experience but tremendously enlightening because of the deconstruction aspect. I had also realised that all the time we think `we know`, we cannot actually know anything more due to the static and stagnant position we are operating from How can we learn anything if we think we already `know`.
    I think this aspect of humanity comes about because of our proclivity to need to be `right`, unfortunately this is what leads to so many power games between people and nations.

    I have completely resonated with your article as I have experienced it, so understand where you were coming from when you wrote it.
    I have also experienced what I call peak moments and the valley moments – both I would say are necessary.
    Sometimes I think that so many people due to wanting the `feel good` factor aften cut themselves off from moving to the next level of awareness, which I think they would be capable of if they were not so identified with what they term `good`.

    Being on this level also showed me that there is more to the world than we perhaps vn ever know due to ourlimited understanding, but it also showed me that by being open and allowing, then new knowledge and awareness can break through – I have also come to realise that we are all evolving according to the level of awareness we are operating from. That no level is superior to other levels as it is only `ignorance` which keeps on a certain level. I am not using `ignorance` in a derogatory way but using it to say that we operate out of the `darkness of our own `ignorance`until we can operate from what some one called `the halls of learning`.

    Your article has helped me because it is so cheering to know there are lots of people out there who know what you are talking about. THANKS

  21. Sandy says :

    Hi Bill,

    Thanks for the awesome post! It is my favorite day of the week when I get to read you new entries :-) The expalnation of The Magician was very well done. I deeply appreciate how you are able to so clearly illuminate this vitally important area of Human Development. This kind of “Magic” is what are world is in so desperate need of. It impresses me how deeply these concepts have resonated with how I feel about life and what I aspire to become. I am so thankful for you and for all you have taught, and will teach me. My life and my family’s lives are forever changed and improved for having learned from you.

    Best Of Everything To You!


  22. Thabiso Barbara Molefe says :

    Great job, Bill, will see you in person one day. Ever thought of coming to South Africa? You are just a God send, guese you know that already.

  23. Lynn Fabry says :

    Hi Bill, Thank you, thank you….with all i’m doing including holosync and the course and doing the Tolle course with Oprah, I just had a shift reading this blog, about duality..and non duality and have had lots of trouble with how many New Agers identify this…..i was headed toward ‘getting it, but just really got it more in the way you do. . very best, lynn

  24. Melissa says :

    An insightful and helpful read as always Bill. This is my first time posting but I always read your blogs. I look forward to your next post on the Ironist. I am still diligently doing my daily meditations and will be ordering the next level soon. I have only been on board since mid July but already the developments and benefits I have experienced from Holosync are unbelievable and incredible! I have been pleasantly overwhelmed by the powerful changes in all areas of my life during these last few months with Centerpointe. My health has dramatically improved. My relationships and financial situation have taken off as well. Mostly though, I think I appreciate the changes I’ve seen in my cognitive and spiritual development. All I can say is..WOW! I can hardly wait to see what tomorrow brings. You are beyond genius Bill and I hope you will always be around for us. Thank you so much!

  25. john dupuy says :

    Hi Bill, Great post again (not to mention the comments). Adding this developmental knowledge to an actual practice and technology is just epoch making , I think. As you said, the Magician not only understands the idea of Unitive consciousness, but gets to experience it more and more; it seems the oscillations between the small “i” and the big “I” can be very swift and frequent. This more regular access to Unitive consciousness at the Magician level does begin to take some of the sting and the existential angst out of the human ego dilemma, as one begins to see though the conditioned structures of the ego to the light beyond, and realize that even the conditioned structures are are also the light! I suppose this realization opens the door for the Ironist. But it seems that each level must go through a process of purification/owning, absorbing and releasing the shadow elements, illumination, dark night, and then integration of the illumination and the dark night and the realization that they are not two. The renowned shadow and dieing structures of each level becomes the fuel and raw materials for the next leap in consciousness. And each time the shift happens it can become a more conscious process. Thanks again for the gifts you’ve given.
    john dupuy

  26. DAVE says :

    Hey Bill,

    I am a holosync user “AL-1” and am curious about the developmental stages and the relation to awareness using Holosync. The developmental stages are defiantly related to the level of awareness, the greater the awareness the greater the development of the human.

    In a support article I received from centerpointe it was speculated that ones level of awareness is in direct correlation with low frequency High amplitude waves like those found in the deeper levels of holosync. The higher the amplitude, the more awareness and life energy flows through. So would it naturally follow that the use of holosync, would take one through the developmental levels naturally?

    In your years of following users of the holosync solution program would you tend see commonalities with the program level and the levels of development? And would you say it is greatly accelerated with the correct use of the program?

  27. Margareta says :

    Thank you for this opportunity. This is a warm topic for me. I am waiting the follows , read you is already a mind food.

  28. Mike says :

    Interesting Bill,
    I do have a quick question though. So, if the Magician can now drop his sense of self, is it possible for him to also reconstruct his sense of self in a more beneficial way. For example, if “Timmy” had been a shy, withdrawn person his whole life when he is able to drop that view of himself as shy and withdrawn, would he then be able to construct of new map of himself as outgoing and personable, even if he knows it’s just a map and not reality?
    All the best,

  29. Rick says :


    Enjoy the blog and the map you’re unfolding here. A question came to mind while reading this post. Often times language describing human development suggests shifts from level to level occur linearly – i.e. one cannot proceed from strategist directly to ironist. Okay, fine. But when I analyze my development based on the descriptions provided here, it’s not so nice and neat. Instead the experience of self developing feels like a string vibrating at a certain frequency – of which one can slowly tune and alter through time and action – to harmonize with a desired frequency (or development level). If anyone has ever tuned a guitar they will know that at times tunning a string can require us to wind the string far above the desired tone, and then unwind the string far below the desired tone, as if to train our ears to perceive the correct tone somewhere in the middle. In other words, we first learn what the desired tone is not and then resolve the string to its correct tunning. My experience more closely resembles this process – of over-reaching, regression, and then settling into a balance. This balance then becomes the starting frequency from which the attempt to shift to a newly conceived, desired frequency is made, and so on. Over time, developmental levels appear less rigid and instead become border less – although the color or hue of the gravity of the self one experiences helps us approximate which level of development is being expressed (and tends to feel called out, or elicited by one’s immediate surroundings and conditions – the winding and unwinding of our ‘string’). Is there any literature that explores this concept of human development in more detail, or could you please comment on this?

    I recognize that great research has been done on understanding the characteristics of developmental levels, including emotional states, modes of thought and particular challenges that typically occur for specific levels. However, I wonder if the same focus and attention has been applied to understanding the processes of development? Are some humans more adept at not resisting development than others, and why? How does changing one’s conceptual basis of reality to include the concept of development alter one’s developmental process (and how can we develop effectual strategies to introduce more people to the idea)? Are there recognizable socio-linguistic frames of reality that help or hinder development as compared to others (e.g. does subject dropping in the Japanese language context help Japanese language speakers develop a linguistically less rigid and defined sense of self as compared to a subject dominated English language speaker – and does this translate into a generally less rigidly defined sense of self)? Numerous questions come to mind. Any comments would be highly valued. Please keep up the excellent work.

  30. Erika says :

    I’m sad to see that you have shortened your posts. The longer ones that take forever to read are way better. I hope that you reconsider the shorter post and start writing more again soon. Also, it would be nice to have all your posts on this topic in a book or booklet.

  31. ade says :

    What an interesting article!

    Based on the description Bill has provided, I may be just now moving into this modality of being. Quite often these days I briefly see what I used to think of as myself as just a cloud in the sky, and notice that what I really am is the whole sky, not just that cloud (or else I notice that there is simply no sense of self for a moment).

    What I will do is make comments on some aspects of Bill’s article which reflect my own experience.

    1) “[The Magician] still has a sense of an individual self, but has begun to see (and feel) it as more of an abstraction, a construct, an idea, than as an solid or intrinsic reality.”

    True, the notion of an individual self is a theory, but I would add that it’s a pretty good theory.

    2) “These [subject/object] conditioned habits are seen for what they are: useful, perhaps, in order to navigate the world, but confining and illusion-creating.”

    Well I have to agree that it is true in practice but I don’t think there is anything inherently ‘confining and illusion-creating’ about the subject/object way of operating in the world.

    3) “The Magician begins to see that all the things humans do to mentally construct an enduring separate self are nothing more than attempts to make sense of the impermanence of human existence and to defend against the fear and self-doubt this create[s]–a resistance to the reality of the human predicament.”

    I don’t agree with this at all. The notion of a separate self is quite a good theory; the notion of a separate self enduring forever is of course much more questionable, but I would say the problems this notion leads to are basically the result of an innocent error, not fear. Of course, having made the error then fear is the natural (and quite rational) response, and there’s no denying the fear typically leads to a lot of ugly complications. But I don’t think that fear is the real causitive force. Rather the basic problem is taking one’s body/mind, for example, as the totality of one’s self; once you have made a mistake like that, fear is a natural and quite rational consequence. And I don’t see any ‘human predicament’ – that is just opera. I would agree however that humans are uniquely (as far as we know) likely to make that sort of basic mistake just because a human being is such an astonishingly good (but not perfect) instantiation of our deepest self.

    4) ” … Magicians can often feel isolated from others”.

    True. I remember, even as a very young child, seeing my parents as they were, and being aware that they could not see me and never would. Childhood was not a pleasant experience for me. But I am much more relaxed about that sort of thing now. People (even your parents!) are what they are and you just have to accept that and deal with them in a way that respects their limits, as best you can. I am quite a bit more social now than when I was young.

    5) ” … the Magician sees through the predicament of the entire human situation. This is a shocking realization, and Magicians often feel a deep existential angst until (and unless) they surrender–like the terminally ill person above–to what they have discovered.”

    Psh. More opera! I don’t feel any ‘existential angst’. I’m afraid of dying! But I see that as a normal biological sort of response to a fairly real danger, and don’t make a big fuss about it. I have read stories about supposedly enlightened people in India who ignored the suffering around them and grossly neglected their own bodies because they believed the world was just an illusion. I have no sympathy for that sort of attitude. Rather I like Catherine Ingram’s attitude towards the world – she says, “It’s real enough”.

    6) “One of the characteristics of this stage is an ability to visit the transcendent, but without being able to reside there permanently. Giving up a separate self with which we’ve identified for so long, and which we’ve so strongly relied upon to make sense of our life, is difficult, and seeing the Promised Land without being able to move in is frustrating for the Magician.”

    This doesn’t resonate with me at all. I have no interest in residing permanently in the ‘transcendent’, any more than I was interested in taking drugs back in the 60’s; it was physics that I found interesting back then, not drugs. The ‘Promised Land’ is just more opera. If it’s real, then it has to be real here and now, and if it’s not real why bother with it? And I feel no frustration. Basically I just follow my interests and trust in serendipity; somehow things seem to work out quite well if you do that.

    7) “Magicians can sometimes feel nostalgic for the days when their perspective and their way of understanding life was simpler. If they have trouble coming to terms with the realizations the[y]’ve had about the human condition, Magicians can become depressed.”

    I don’t feel any nostalgia at all for the old days and the old ways. I do feel depressed sometimes though. But typically the reason is that something which used to interest me no longer does, and it can be pretty depressing until a new interest shows up.

    Thanks to Bill for a really interesting article! I normally just lurk, but not this time.

  32. John Curran says :

    Hi Bill,

    Great article! You have a way of simplifying the complex. I read through many of the responses to your blog and they are all well articulated. I am ready to begin on the next level of Holosync. It has been very helpful in connecting me with higher levels of consciousness which is valuable in my writing, coaching classes, and Life Coaching with individual clients. As I feed my brain with information like this from enlightened teachers , I reconnect with my higher self and become less of a hostage to my ego. I believe that application of this wisdom is where the real magic begins! I have come to understand that we are all interconnected, and part of the same tree of humanity. Thanks for being a part of this tree, and sharing your wisdom.

    With Love and Light,


  33. Gyp says :

    Hi Bill, I read the Magician ‘installment’ with much interest. I would like to recomend Byron Katie’s ‘The Work’ to anyone struggling with this particular level of development. Byrons method of self-inquiry is simple and to the point, it cleverly uses language to move beyond the usual “yeah, buts” and “no, buts” our ego throws up as reasons or excuses for what happens to ourselves and to others. Byron Katies work is a way of getting in touch with reality; with what is.
    Love and gratitude, Gyp, Essex, England

  34. Mark Lurtsema says :

    It seems as if the Magician-construct is an interesting place to get lost in. One can pretend that they are a Magician and massage their ego for awhile. What a fun place to stop and play.

  35. michael says :

    Hi Bill,
    I really look forward to your blog. I keep looking for an entry that gives a description of me, today. Each entry provides more clarity. I then validate your descriptions against things that have happened. Then, I look to see if it is recent or has been this way for some time. I am still looking for an end point that I know, for me, will never come. I am grateful that you have described why we use tools from different levels to good effect, as well. When I began to enjoy the journey is when the magic arrived.

  36. Janet says :

    Just what I needed, when I needed it! Just knowing that so many intelligent, spiritual souls are out there makes my heart soar. Thank you.

  37. Santiago says :

    Bill you and your kind are definitively the people that are pulling the rest of humanity to greater and greater awareness, thank you so so so so much.

    It is also great to read those wonderful comments from fellow bloggers, I see how we are all interested in finding the real ‘truths’ about being here, whatever that is, you know.

    Looking forward to meeting you and genpo in NY for the Big Mind Experience.

    Love to you and all the bloggers.

    Santiago from Colombia.

  38. geckobrah says :

    Thanks, Bill, for cogently describing where I’m at! Drifting in and out while “admiring your work” LOL. Confirms often feeling alone in the world and existential angst concerning the human situation. Gee “I” thought these were “problems”, LOL. Looking forward to jumping off the bridge at the next step, when it comes it comes. Now, enjoy what is.

  39. Kat says :

    Dear Bill,
    It was only a few months ago that I told my friends that I finally realised we were all going to die and that there was nothing we could do about it. So why are we fighting so hard against the inevitable? They of course thought I was nuts, but I’m used to that response. But since I’ve had that realisation I’ve been living my life in every moment and having a great time. I no longer feel I must be on top of everything to keep it in line and organized. Though I do have moments of loneliness and sadness that here I am connected to everything, I am everything… yet I am so alone. If it’s all me? And I am all? Then there is no other… right? ALONE. Weird, this makes me want to be separate again.


  40. Vivien says :

    I just read “The Magician” I have no idea whether I have reached that state or not, but I certainly have experienced briefly some of the states you described. I came to a state where it did not matter any more whether I was here or not, due to burn out, and all my ambitions “turned to dust” and became irrelevant. In fact I lost interest in the things I used to care for, and simply existed for around 18 months. I did not feel unhappy, just completely unmotivated. During that time, when I was not sleeping, I experienced times of great contentment in just being, and considerable connection with animals, trees, rocks, and, as the time came to an end, with people.

    When my motivation finally returned, the over-riding need was to be of use. If I was not doing anything then what was the point?

    I find “I” am generally lost when doing something for other people. The sense of being right has gone. I find sense in teachings from all the major religions, philosophers and – well, any ideas that come along. Along with that is a sense that it is all irrelevant, really, and there are no right or wrong ways of seeing the world. The only rights or wrongs are in how we treat each other, whether we are useful or destructive.

    I found it helpful to read about The magician. It helps me to realize that my development is not so very different, and it is OK to be where I am now. It doesn’t even matter which stage I am at, seeing as how I am only a construct of my own imagining anyway.

    I realized some time ago that I am really just one great big mixture of potential choices. Nothing I cannot be or do, within the constraints of my physical body, if I decide to do so. Nothing, either good or bad, that I am somehow incapable of because of being some separate “me”. Then it just becomes a matter of choosing to do what is helpful and avoiding doing damage.

    Thank you for helping me to “make sense” even of this part of my life.

  41. Dear Bill: You are a very wonderful person I read mind chatter every
    time a new chapter is sent out.your teachings and my Rabbi are helping me beyond
    eny other.thank you for giving your veiw and for helping me to go forword
    each day of my life.

    My heavinly Abha Master Yashua Yoseph Binyamin
    Christ bless Bill please protect him and give mutch love and peace.

  42. Ali says :

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    Im come from Iran.
    I watched The Secret film & I need help.
    can u help me?
    please send my anwer to my email.

  43. Jennifer says :

    Hi Bill and everyone else here.. :o)

    When are you putting up the Ironist Blog? This is so cool, I totally adore your blogs and love to read the varied responses too. Some things on these later stages I can identify with, however I think i’m still at the ‘achiever’ level, but hey I’m totally cool with that.. I’m not in any rush. The only thing I would like to see now-ish (Not that I would want a ‘rush’ job ;-) ) is the new blog. *Bouncing Happily cos I can* (Btw-bouncing happily has increased a hundredfold since I started holosync in July last year… Happier, content-er, less tired me yay!!! :o) )

    Love from Jen in Oz

    P.S. Bill, when are you planning your next Antipodean trip??

  44. rIch says :

    It was nice to resonate with this writing and realize that there are others “here” Now.

  45. Curtis says :

    Dear Bill

    This was a very interesting blog. Actually, all your blogs are interesting to me. I will say the Magician is an interesting fellow. I believe what probably allowed him to become a Magician is when he was able to recognize the borderline. Once he became aware of it…it changed the game. I am sure they would make very good mentors and coaches. They would probably make great artists as well. As far as them feeling “better” than others. Illusion only. Sometimes it may appear that way I would think because others base on being “better” as what convictions are adopted in the midst of a crowd. Anyway, more thoughts on the way. I will read it again, and absorb a little more. Thank you as always for the knowledge. It is good stuff to think about.

  46. Emilia says :

    Hi Bill,
    This is delightful for our souls – sorry it is finished – but I’m sure you will find a next group of ”subject” to talk about – to share it with us.

    Reading your blog, Holosinc-ing, reading lot of books, getting your lessons of Map of reality Expander, getting LPractice of Ken Wilber , listening to Genpo’s Big Mind – Bill, this is an amazing life-puzzle opening to us where all pieces fall in place – and we can ‘feel’ it will become complete !
    Thanks much for your devotion !

    Best for you, Bill !

  47. gwen says :

    Oh my gosh, I have written to you so many times about this but always deleted it, deciding it really wouldn’t contribute anything and who knows…maybe this won’t either! But this time I just can’t hold it back. You have spoken so many times about elements I now learn are part of an identified understanding or an acknowledged way of thinking. Thanks to your post, now I know there must be more Magicians out there. I didn’t know there was such a thing! I’m dumbfounded to learn it is a fairly well-known? progression of being and seeing. I always kind of knew it must be but have never found much evidence of it out there.

    I attributed my perspective to many experiences including the way I was raised because I never found it in another human being. The connection and links are everywhere in the natural world and that world is actually made of this understanding and that is the only place I knew to go. I have searched to know more, to share and to find someone to take point me down the road. Now, with what you have somehow been able to put into words I feel as though I have just discovered footprints on the moon. This is fabulous. In one way it doesn’t really change anything but in another, it feels good. Maybe now I can finally take the plastic off the sofa and relax. All your posts and presentations are meaningful but this one rang all my bells.

    Most of my adult life I have searched for reasons or clues or connections to things that I have experienced, not at all because I doubted what they were, but because I don’t know why they would be so true and no one else felt that way. I just couldn’t figure out why I couldn’t find other people or huge bodies of thought or even scholarship. These days you can Google anything and find worlds of things you never even wanted to know!

    The “transitions” come on their own and as you said, they change the perception of everything you’ve ever seen and of course everything you are/that is. It’s a beautiful thing and you nailed it in your description. It used to come as powerful dreams when I was little but eventually it became what I call “awake dreams”, maybe as I relaxed into them while growing up. I am full when they come but have never learned to bring them, so I just try to “be” in what I have already been shown. They come more often when I can hold that state, which I really can’t, for long. It’s more of a surprise than that. I must make it hard and I know it should be so effortless. I guess that’s why it sneaks up on me when I least expect it; it’s when my mind is not in the way. I’ve been a TM-er for 10years or so but you know, I never, the first time ever transcended with meditation. I was told there never has been a person who was unsuccessful at that. Hmm….I’ve been a Holosync user for about a year now I guess, and I find it very pleasant. I believe in it so I’m going to hang in there. I’m still in Awakening Level One but I’m wondering if maybe I just come and go through a different portal?

    Thanks for all you do, Bill. That’s one of my motivations for writing but the other is because I have a smidgeon to add, if anyone is interested. When you speak of language as defining a world view I know you couldn’t be more dead-on. My way of seeing came more like what I now understand as “gnosis”; it found me and continues to reveal in amazingly delightful ways; additional layers of wonder. Each time it does I get spun off for a while in writing fits; madly connecting up all the new dots. Because all my teachers or clues have come from the natural world before you, (you’re my first two-legged!!!) I assumed this knowing was what I call “pre-verbal”. Now I’ll go back to my notes and make the correction; it was just “pre-Bill”.

    When you address language and how it shapes and carries a person’s perception I am yelling responses to you. This has been an exciting exchange however I think it is probably one sided and you haven’t been able to hear me cheer you on. What a shame. ?

    I am 200% certain the natural world carries the perspective you describe. The man centered, “thing centered” mind cannot see beyond itself. It is when you drop it and stand naked in the most real sense, that the-real-deal comes close and reveals itself to you. My most frequent messengers have been plants, rain, and a penetrating and all-encompassing light. They all know things you wouldn’t think they would even care about. Anyway, it’s there doing it’s thing and I bring it up so that if people know that, they might merge easier, however it won’t help to go looking for it, as you know. It is not outside you. It finds you where you are but where I am most full, is “out there” so that’s my way of reuniting. I wonder if, because I relate more to that world than I do to the human world, if I am pre-disposed to the understanding you describe where life is not made up of “things” but instead it is more of a process or a connected state? The concept of “state” in the European mind (for lack of a better term) is usually a static thing. I am using it to describe a “state of being” that flows. Almost like an altered state or a transcended state but usually you can get up and walk around in this one. There is of course, the more intense state but that’s different. All of life moves and evolves and flows so how could there ever be a “static thing”, separate from all else? Life IS movement. In the American Indian languages we do not have “things”. We speak of what it is “doing”. We do not say HE SAID or SHE SAID. It is not important who said it, what is important is, THAT IT IS SAID. There is little ego or sense of an individual self in this way. And we speak in kinships. Mother is not a person. You cannot be a Mother without your relationship to the child or to the father or to your own mother. We say “my mother” even in addressing her. She cannot “be” without her connection. She is displaced and sort of dangling in that way. All things are connected. Corn is not “corn” and then arrogantly dismissed like that’s all there is. Corn is what it is doing. Roughly translating, it is in seed stage or sprout stage or tassel stage or milk stage. There are changing names for it because it is the “process” and reflects life, itself . It is whole when it is connected, contrary to the Western world of thought where you must isolate something and reduce it down to its most basic elements to really see what it is. That’s odd to me.

    We are acknowledging the Great Mystery in its many forms, which is of course, all there is. Jumping ahead; I came to Indian languages late in life. For me it was thrilling to learn, for the languages verified and validated what I had learned from a lifetime of plant and element voices. Now I was hearing it in human voices that obviously at least at one time, knew what I had also learned. Through the language reclamation projects many Indian people and others, are re-discovering the language and the ways of seeing which can also be called, “culture”. Sadly a great many of the people have lived in the modern world too long and they only grasp it with their minds. I don’t know the languages well but hope to, someday. For now I know enough to be sure the philosophy you speak of and the one the Magician knows, is carried by all things that find their way home to that unified, interactive, wholistic state of knowing and being. It is HOME.

    You use language in a very good way to help people get out of themselves. As a good teacher you use the tools to find the student where they are; just as The Intelligence reaches through and finds us where we are. Maybe it is possible to learn this perspective from the language end, or at the very least, to use it to light the way in. For me it came the other way; from the source, and language lit the way out. Now I find words that confirm this knowing we share and I find people like you who can turn the words ever so slightly so they pass us through instead of walling us in, and being the whole point. How we handle our minds is huge and you have taught me so much.

    As a teacher you lay yourself open for us to paw through, knowing your past experiences will seem familiar to some of us. There are other great teachers who have given themselves up and fed the hungry. They stop at nothing to show us the way and for me, many doctrines miss the real message because they were recorded by people who tried, but they just didn’t “get it”. Truly enlightened people make certain decisions and act in certain ways because that’s all they can do from what they see. So often the accounts and Holy Books teach a message that is skewed to my way of thinking. The message they have predigested for us, gives their perspective away. Their explanation and interpretation is so inconsistent with the consciousness of the original messenger. If there is a sin at all, I believe it is in letting people wander in circles, in their own minds. Bless you, Bill.

  48. Grant says :

    “Ken Wilber has said, with tongue in cheek, that experiences of the transcendent are accidental, but that meditation makes one “more accident prone.”

    Greetings guys,

    I’ve also found that those fleeting moments of clarity happen when I least expect it, it can’t be forced but meditation (I use holosync) allows you to become more aware and continue the process of becoming more and more conscious. The more conscious you become the more “accident prone” you will be.

    Keep choosing,
    Grant :)

  49. Flanneryo says :

    Gwen – I realize I am way out of the timeframe when these posts were originally entered, but I just wanted to comment on your wonderful post. Your way of experiencing is inspiring and without signs of ego-baggage. Thanks for communicating your wonderful thoughts.

  50. Marie says :

    Have you seen this? How we are able to reach oneness.

    “A neuro-scientist named Jill Taylor gave a short talk at TED that was
    probably the most profound depiction of the “deep right brain experience” that I’d
    ever heard. After her talk, the vibe of the entire conference changed – people
    were more open, deeper, clearer. Truly remarkable. There is an essential message here for all humanity on acknowledging just how closely connected and related we all are. ”

  51. Jim says :

    With the coming of a more physiological understanding of the brain and its almost unfathomable processes, isn’t it clear that a lot of what we ascribe to the “mind”, is merely a matter of the intricate biochemical workings of the brain? Take for instance the treatment of Schizophrenia which years ago was confined only to a very sketchy theory of how the human brain functions. Now there is a wealth more evidence and science based data that allows us to treat brain diseases with a large arsenal of pharmacological treatments, along with cognitive/behavioral therapy. Is enlightenment not merely a biological balancing event in which the brain is running at optimum levels in the eternal quest for happiness?

    FROM BILL: That would be one way to look at it. There is an objective component to things, what Wilber called the upper right quadrant (really both right-hand quadrants, since the top right is the obkective-individual and the lower right is the objective-collective), and there is a subjective aspect, the upper left quadrant. The big error people make–and a big part of what Wilber has been trying to point out–is called “quadrant absolutism,” where someone concludes that one of the quadrants (in this case the objective view of the individual) is where it’s all originating. Wilber’s view (and mine) is that all four quadrants are just different views of the same thing, and all four arise together. Mind is the interior, the subjective view, of the individual, and is just as valid as the objective. One doesn’t create the other. Rather, they all happen simultaneously.