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Once again, Bill answers his critics…

by / Wednesday, 21 November 2007 / Published in Uncategorized

This post will be a quick response to some criticisms and misunderstandings about my last post about The Secret. Then, in a few days, I’ll post something new about levels of cognitive development as outlined by the great Jean Piaget. I think you’ll find this discussion to be particularly interesting.

Okay, onward. Someone posted a comment charging that Ken Wilber’s and my definition of magical thinking is “vague” and “not backed up by concrete examples.” It isn’t vague at all. First of all…

…you can check out Ken’s book, Sex, Ecology, Spirituality, for 51 detailed pages about magical thinking, offering an academically rigorous description accepted by pretty much all developmental psychologists and based on research that has been accepted by the mainstream for at least 70 or 80 years, done by the great Jean Piaget (and others).

I don’t have the time here to go into the details of these 51 pages (plus quite a few pages of end notes), and most of you would not want to delve into this as deeply and in as academic a manner as Ken has done. If you are interested, though, google Jean Piaget, and get a copy of Sex, Ecology, Spirituality and read it (it is a brilliant book, though quite a tome–about 850 pages).

The bottom line is that there is NO QUESTION that 1) all people go through a stage of magical thinking while growing up, 2) that some people, especially if traumatized during this stage, continue to think this way into adulthood, 3) that some societies’ entire center of gravity is at this stage, and that magical thinkers are part of all societies, including those of developed nations, and that 4) that this sort of thinking is definitely less functional and less resourceful than that of later stages.

My next post, which will describe development in what is called the cognitive line, should clear up some of the desire for “more examples.”

I was also asked about the difference between “putting it out to the universe” (which I have labeled as magical thinking) and “focusing your attention on what you want” (which I have strongly advocated). The assumption was that focusing on what you want is magical thinking, too, and that I’m being inconsistent in advocating it while at the same pointing out the drawbacks of magical thinking.

So let me clarify the destinction between the two. Magical thinking, in adults, involves 1) wishing for or believing that the normal laws of nature can be suspended, so that 2) one can get something (generally FOR HIM OR HERSELF, or someone in their immediate group rather than for the good of society as a whole) 3) with little or no effort, or without somehow paying any sort of price or doing something for it (in other words, getting something for nothing).

This way of looking at how to get something in the world is pre-rational, in the sense that it fails to see that to get an effect, there must be a cause–that to get something, you must DO something to get it, and that what you do to get something or create something is subject to the normal laws of physics.

This perspective is also narcissistic in the sense that it wants something for ME–but without actually doing something, paying some sort of price, being of service in some way, etc. It’s the idea that other people, or the universe in general, should provide you with whatever you want, just because you want it (as opposed to you doing something to get it). It’s the idea that you can or should get what you want without taking conventional actions or giving something in return.

In developmental psychology, narcissism doesn’t mean an unhealthy obsession with thinking only about yourself (the common pop psychology view). Narcissism actually means that you can’t think about yourself. The capacity for self-reflexive awarness doesn’t exist yet, so the world is seen as an extension of yourself. Because the distinction between me and not-me is still fuzzy, the narcissist is unable to take the perspective of another person. This makes it seem as if it’s all about them–and that when they put out to the universe a wish or desire it will be (or ought to be) granted. This is how a small child thinks–mommy and daddy will grant my wishes (and I’ll be plenty pissy if they don’t). This is a reasonable perspective for children, but not for adults.

Focusing your attention on what you want, on the other hand, is the first step in a much more mature process of taking action to achieve something in the world. It involves no suspension of the laws of nature, but rather is a cooperation with those laws. And though the outcome might involve ME getting something I want, it’s not totally self-centered because it realizes that 1) I must take action to get what I want (I can’t just wish for it, or assume that the universe is here to give me what I want whether or not I do anything in return), and 2) the action must somehow be of value in some way, or must actually have an effortful, cause and effect connection to what I want.

If I want to be an author, I must learn to write, I must spend time writing, and I must write something people want to read.

To get money, I must provide something to those who are (hopefully) going to give up their money, and it must be something they (not I) believe is at least as valuable as the money.

To get love, the giver of the love must also get something in return–it’s a circle, a relationship, not a one-way street. Yes, I know, real love is freely given, but if you want love and give no love in return, you’re going to have to find someone who is a saint in order to be loved, and most people aren’t saints. As the Beatles said, the love you get is equal to the love you give (or something like that).

To get someone’s time or attention, I must do something that makes the person want to give up that time or attention.

To get a better job, I must look for one, show up for interviews, show the prospective employer how I will benefit him or her, I must have skills that are wanted, and so forth.

Whatever I do must be of value or in some way have a cause and effect relationship to what I want in return. This is basic “Law of Attraction” stuff, and very different than just “putting it out to the universe.” The first involves the Wish Fairy. The second involves you doing something to get what you want.

And, by the way, as a person moves to higher levels of development, one’s focus moves more and more to what can be done for others, rather than what one gets for oneself. To do this, one’s developmental perspective must move to a place where you can take the perspective of other, something magical thinkers have trouble doing. This other-oriented perspective is what I described as being at work in my own life, where my needs are now met to such a high degree that my own needs, while of course important to me, are just no longer what I focus on (you don’t focus on finding food when your stomach is full).

Instead, I focus on meeting your needs. As a result, my needs are automatically met (again, the Law of Attraction at work). Any fear of whether or not my needs will be met is gone, and my focus is now about helping others–which also makes my life very fulfilling. This is the stage Maslow describes as “self-actualization.” In order to reach this stage, other levels of need fulfillment must first be met: physiological needs, safety needs, love/belonging/social needs, esteem needs, cognitive needs, and aesthetic needs. Because these needs are met in my case, I no longer focus on them. I am, however, as a teacher, endeavoring to help people who have not yet been able to handle these lower levels of need fulfillment, and one of the roadblocks to doing so is often magical thinking.

It was also pointed out that I endorse The Sedona Method, which the writer claims to be magical thinking. The Sedona Method, the writer claims, says that “releasing wants” causes the objects of one’s desires to manifest. This is, however, not at all what the Sedona Method says. The Sedona Method is a way of letting go of attachments (or aversions) and the emotions that go with them, and is based on a thinking perspective at the much later Integral or Transcendent level of development. It’s a quick way to get yourself out of what I have often referred to as The Game of Black and White, where the main game rule is “White Must Win.” Your ideas about good and bad, and the emotions that such ideas create are, according to the Sedona Method, illusion, and releasing them leads to freedom.

Hale Dwoskin, the main teacher of the Sedona Method, has never said that releasing is a way to manifest your desires–though he has said that people who release are happier, and ironically such people do tend to get more of whatever they need. Someone who sees the Sedona Method as a way to “get stuff” is looking at it, in fact, from a magical perspective, and then thinking that their projection is intrinsically part of the method, when in fact the magic is coming from them.

In fact, Hale asks people to release not just negative emotions (aversions), but positive ones, too (attachments). I don’t have room here to go into the genius of The Sedona Method, but it’s really just a skillful way to experientially demonstrate a non-dual perspective, based on the same point of view expressed by all enlightened individuals throughout history. Behind the actual methodology, the Sedona Method is based on the point that all ideas about anything–and the emotions generated by those ideas–are illusory, and that when you drop all of this mentally generated conceptual stuff, you see that everything is pure happiness, bliss, and perfection. At some point I will go into this much more deeply. There is, however, nothing magical about it.

Confusing the Sedona Method with magic is a great example of the pre/post fallacy I mentioned in my last post, where post-conventional and preconventional views are confused because both are “not conventional.” However, there is a huge difference between pre- and post-conventional.

I was also asked if I think shamanism is a legitimate pathway to transcendental consciousness, since I have said that magical thinkers want to revive “ancient ways” as a solution to modern problems, and have said that this is not a solution. In fact, I cited this as an example of regressive thinking (see my discussion of the “pre/post fallacy” in my last post). First of all, I didn’t specifically mention shamanism. But for your information, I know several shamans and I participate, actually quite regularly, in several very powerful shamanic practices. I don’t see these practices, though, from a magical perspective, but rather from the perspective I’m currently living from. In fact–and this is really the key to all such questions asked by many of you–everyone sees whatever they are experiencing from whatever perspective they are at.

Shamanism, in general, DOES come from a magical perspective, though it’s very possible that some modern shamans are operating at perspectives beyond preconventional (I know at least one who is). Here is the key: if a person is coming from a preconventional, magical point of view, they will interpret whatever they experience, whatever they see, from that view. If a preconventional shaman drinks Ayahuasca (a powerful plant-based brew that creates mystical experiences), for instance, they will interpret the experiences they have from that perspective, that point of view. If they heal their clients, that healing will be interpreted from that preconventional point of view.

It’s the interpretation that is magical, not whatever they are doing, per se. If a shaman gives someone sacred plants in order to put them in an altered state, their interpretation will be that certain spirits in the plants created the person’s experience (a magical view), whereas I might say that certain chemical substances in the plants created certain profound shifts in consciousness (all of which can be explained in a non-magical way), and that these shifts in awareness are similar to those attained when someone meditates many hours a day for many years.

I was also asked about esp and paranormal abilites. First of all, as another poster said, magician James Randi has a foundation (the James Randi Educational Foundation), one goal of which is to support research into paranormal claims in controlled, scientific experimental conditions. The foundation offers a prize (currently one million dollars) to anyone who can demonstrate paranormal abilities under controlled, scientific conditions. Though the size of the prize has grown over the years, Randi has offered some sort of financial prize since 1964. No one has ever demonstrated anything that allowed them to claim the prize. You can google James Randi, or look him up on Wikipedia to learn more about this.

But let’s say for the sake of argument that there are paranormal abilities out there. Maybe there are, though it’s interesting that no such claims have ever passed the peer-review process (where a study showing such abilities is shown to be repeatable). There are plenty of people claiming that there are studies proving paranormal abilities, but none of them have been accepted by the general scientific community, because they have not been demonstrated to be repeatable (and, many of these studies are clearly ill-formed).

But again, let’s say that paranormal abilities exist. Just as with shamanism, any such abilities will be interpreted from the developmental level of the person who is observing them. A magical thinker will see them as evidence of magic. A conventional thinker will probably think they are bullshit, unless there is some evidence, in which case they will see, or at least begin to look for, a rational explanation. A post-conventional or integral thinker will see these abilities in still other ways (which we don’t have room to go into here). And so forth. Whatever developmental level a person is at, that perspective will determine their interpretation of what they see.

ANYTHING that happens, any experience, anywhere, will be interpreted from the point of view of the interpreter’s perspective (ie, their developmental level). If what people call paranormal abilities exist, they aren’t proof of magic, or of the suspension of the laws of nature, any more than electricity or magnetism or the aurora borealis are evidence of magic. All of these were, at one point, seen as magic (and still are by cultures with a magical center of gravity). Now we know what causes them–and it ain’t magic.

The claim was also made that Ken Wilber is “biased” against earlier levels of development. When people say something like this, it leads me to believe that they either haven’t read him or, if they have, they didn’t understand what they read. Levels of development are perspectives. By definition, a wider, more inclusive perspective sees things more clearly. Such a perspective isn’t better in an “I’m better than you” sense, but it is more resourceful and more complete. It’s a wider view. It takes into account more of the existing interrelationships. This particular writer sets up a straw man (in other words, argues against something I never said) when he says, “…are adults “better” than babies, and if so, should be throw them out?” Neither Ken, nor I, have ever said that someone at a higher level of development is “better,” and no one is saying that a child’s perspective is WRONG. It’s just the perspective they have, given their experience of life, so far. It is, though, less complete, less inclusive, less broad–and less functional.

Neither have Ken nor I said that people at lower levels of development should be “thrown out.” In fact, everyone (as both of us have said many times), starts at square one and must go through each level, in order, just as an embryo must go through certain physiological developmental stages, in order. Many people stop at lower levels of development either because that’s where their culture’s or family’s center of gravity is or because they suffered some sort of trauma which arrests their growth. But because everyone starts at the beginning, there will always be people at every level of development.

We don’t condemn children for being at their particular level of development, but we do help them to move on to the next level when they are ready (which is when the previous level stops working as a way of making sense of their world).

And, as an aside, while someone is at a certain level of development what we’re really hoping for is a healthy manifestation of that level. There are healthy and unhealthy versions of every level of development. Life can fail to work at any developmental level if a person is exhibiting a pathological version of that level. Or it can fail to work because their environment changes and their current level no longer works or makes sense in that environment (for instance, when a young child goes off to school, or an college graduate enters the work force). Either way, something needs to be done either to create a healthy way of being at the current level or, if necessary, to get the person to the next level.

This is, in fact, very much what my work with you is all about. I’m helping you become more functional at your current level, or helping you move to the next level in your growth. The first is called horizontal development, while the latter is called vertical development. Both are valuable (and both are strongly facilitated by Holosync, and by the knowledge products we offer at Centerpointe).

The same writer said that “infantile desires (for security, for stimulation, etc.) are at the root of all adults’ rational thoughts,” and that if we eliminate magical thinking we eliminate everything that’s built upon it, including rational and post rational thought.

First, infantile desires are NOT at the root of all adult thought. Infantile desires are at the root of the thoughts of adults who are at an infantile level of development. Some adults actually have moved on to more mature, more highly developed, ways of being in the world. That’s what development is all about. It’s true that each level builds on those that went before, transcending and including, to use Ken’s terminology. Transcending, though, means that the unworkable aspects of the previous level are transcended, while the parts that are necessary building blocks are included. Belief in magic isn’t a necessary building block, so it is (hopefully) transcended as the move to the next higher level is made.

Consider this in terms of development in the physical world. At some point some amount of time after the Big Bang, atoms developed into molecules. Molecules transcend atoms, in the sense that molecules have attributes atoms do not and cannot have. They also include the atoms as building blocks, but at the same time they have jetisoned some of the ways of being in the world that were common to atoms. Those ways are gone, even though the atoms are still there as parts of the molecule (oxygen in a water molecule does not behave in the same way it did when it was free oxygen).

In the same way, some aspects of how you see the world are building blocks for the next level, the next perspective, but some of what went on at the lower level is lost, gone, ditched. It is transcended by better ways of existing. We don’t need to keep magical thinking in order to develop, so it is (in a healthy person) transcended. Little bits of it remain in the way we cross our fingers or carry a lucky charm for good luck or wish upon a star, but few people really believe that such things actually are the cause of what happens.

Again, I’ve never said that we should get rid of magical thinkers. I didn’t even say that people should necessarily give up that sort of thinking. I said that no one goes to the next developmental stage until the previous stage doesn’t work for them any longer. So, let me be clear here. I am saying–to those who read this and are hoping that some sort of magic, some sort of suspension of the laws of nature, some sort of narcissistic wishing for your needs to be met without you doing anything in return is a good way to succeed in the world–IF you are struggling to get by, if you can’t make enough money, IF you cannot get a fulfulling life going, IF you are frustrated about your ability to create a good relationship, get a good job, make enough money, or in some way are having trouble succeeding in the world…it may very well be that magical thinking isn’t a very resourceful way to be in the world, and you might consider giving it up in favor of a way of being in the world that works better.

So, with that off my chest, with my next post I’m going to go into Piaget and his model of cognitive development (rather than flogging this dead horse any longer). MANY peoples’ comments have argued against things I never said–which is one reason why I’ve ignored most of them–and I suspect that such comments will continue, no matter how careful I am to be clear about what I say. I will strive to be more clear, so as to diminish the possibility that people will misunderstand, but I don’t have room to write a book about each topic, or to cover every possible contingency, exception, or possible misinterpretation.

I hope you’re all finding this interesting and helpful.

Be well.

On a completely different note:

Genpo Roshi (the highest ranking Zen master in the world outside of Japan) and I will be presenting a two-day workshop in Los Angeles on February 9th & 10th. Working with Genpo in person is AMAZING. Though he probably wouldn’t toot his own horn, I can: Genpo is a true enlightened master. At the same time, he’s also a regular person. He’s an American, rides a Harley, drinks beer–and I’ve never met anyone who is so comfortable in his own skin and so naturally embodies what enlightenment is all about.

He’s also an amazing teacher. His Big Mind process is, in my opinion and in the opinion of a lot of other people (including Ken Wilber and the incredibly highly evolved people that hang around with him) the biggest innovation in spiritual growth of the last several hundred years. (And that’s saying something.)

Why do I say this? Because this process allows you to directly experience transcendent states of oneness and enlightened awareness that ordinarily take decades of meditation to attain–but in less than three hours! I’ve even seen hardened reform school kids do this process, and in doing it speak from this transcendent state, saying the same things the Buddha said, in the same words. When you go into this state, everything is obvious, and you report the same insights that come with enlightenment–because you’re there. (Admittedly, this is a peak experience of Big Mind, and to fully embody this state you must do some sort of daily practice–such as Holosync–but a peak experience of this sort is REALLY a peak experience!)

Genpo and I share a desire to take what has been esoteric and share it with as many people as possible, so though Genpo still leads some traditional Zen trainings, he’s moving toward teaching to a broader group of people. What we’re doing is taking the essence of the wisdom of enlightenment and presenting it, without any unnecessary cultural trappings, so everyone can benefit from it.

So in this seminar I’ll be providing the context, the explanation. I will be providing the frame that allows you to make sense of the experience, while Genpo will provide the experience.

The Big Mind process does more than show you enlightened states, however. How could there be more than that, you ask? As part of the Big Mind process, Genpo will ask you to speak from certain internal voices, certain aspects of yourself. Speaking from these voices, what a psychologist might call “sub-personalities,” heals any shadow material in these aspects of yourself. This creates huge shifts, huge positive changes. And, quite frankly, I’ve never seen anyone more skillful at working with people than Genpo.

So, I’d like to invite you to be at this workshop. It will be February 9-10 in Los Angeles, and it will be, I promise, a truly life-changing event. Anyone who has been to a Centerpointe retreat knows that my events are life-changing, and I can vouch for the fact that spending two days with Genpo Roshi will give you (and I really mean this) years of growth in one weekend.

To find out how to sign up for a 25% discount, please visit our registration page while your thinking about it by click on the following link.

Register for Big Mind / Big Heart Now!

If this link doesn’t work for some reason, type www.centerpointe.com/bigmind directly into into your browser.

And, after Thanksgiving, I’ll be sharing a new post about levels of cognitive development. This is, I promise, some fascinating stuff.

Be well.

118 Responses to “Once again, Bill answers his critics…”

  1. Peter Hoffman says :

    Look at it this way:

    Golden Girls – Rose = magical thinker. Dorothy = realist.

  2. Appio Hunter says :

    This whole discussion around magical thinking, enlightenment, etc has been fascinating, albeit a little time-consuming. It has left me with a profound respect for Bill and his level of patience with us. Some of the criticism is pretty harsh, but Bill’s replies are eloquent, patient, detailed, and yes, lengthy.

    I’m not sure how you find the time, Bill, but I’m guessing that it’s a testament to years of discipline and focus. I look forward to the day that I can reach the same level of development. Thank you for caring enough about us to share your insights.

  3. Mike Plumer says :

    Bill,
    Yours is the most enlightening blog to which I subscribe, and I eagerly wait each post.
    Mike

  4. Ken Jensen says :

    I admire your ability to patiently clarify your points as you do, Bill. I hardly ever write comments in a blog with the goal of proving a point I may have. The resulting struggle, as witnessed here in your blog, is not worth the stress for me. I’m happy to learn the good things I can from anyone such as yourself, no matter the topic, and let the chatter from others slide past my awareness.

    But in arguing your points, I have become much clearer myself on what it is you’re trying to say. Sort of like review. Exactly, actually. You tend to pull in so much in an effort to clarify for us that other questions I wasn’t even aware I’d had get answered in the process.

    I truly appreciate what it is you do for the world. Your scope of knowledge is hard to fathom!

    Take care,

    Ken

  5. Kurt Gielen says :

    Great post Bill!
    Just to add onto the Sedona Method: I’ve recently read a quote that summarizes brilliant what the Sedona Method is all about (for me at least):

    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away”.

    Releasing captured in 1 sentence, sometimes life works out so fine! But then again, isn’t it always! ;-)

    Enjoy and keep up te good posts,

    Kurt

  6. Jennifer says :

    Ooh I’m excited I’m excited!! :o) No criticisms here Bill, love the way you think.. it makes sense. Unfortunately won’t be able to make the Big Heart thing-though I AM waiting with bated breath for your next blogs!

    Love from Jen in Oz

  7. Charles says :

    Bill,

    I sense some pain and angst you feel as a result of some reader’s comments who may be simply responding from “where they are” in this moment.

    As an aspiring writer myself, my take on their comments is that their comments are simply feedback telling me/you where “some” of them are in terms of their development.

    As you have said, there’s nothing wrong with that. We all go through developmental stages.

    I love and appreciate that you are obviously so caring and concerned that you communicate clearly and thanks for your extra effort to ensure that. It is beneficial to us all.

    Just “release” the angst and keep up your good work.

    Warm Regards,
    Charles

  8. Mark says :

    Bill,

    I would sincerly like to know how a zen monk is ranked. How in the world could you go about ranking something like that? Is it subjective or objective?

    To the readers of the blog:

    I think Bill is doing a great job. He obviously puts a lot of work into each installment. I think most people are just having a converstion with him. Each turn in the converstation makes each point of view more clear. There is no way he can head off every possible mis-inturpritation of his entries. I hope he does not try.

    When I don’t agree with something, I will ask for clearification or simply say to myself, “Hmmm, I don’t agree with that.” or “I don’t agree with the way I am understanding that.” I’ll bet most of us handle things this way.

    One of my previous posts might have been viewed as ranting. I did not mean to rant but to explain my point of view which I thought was a bit different from Bill’s. I look back on the way I was pontificating and smile. Now that I have read the subsiquent posts, I realize Bill’s views on magical thinking are even closer to mine than I first thought.

    It is interesting to here all your views. It is helpful to me in the continued development of my beliefs.

    Thanks,

    Mark

  9. deb says :

    Thank you, thank you, thank you Bill!
    Hope you’ll save this line for a later post:
    “A post-conventional or integral thinker will see these abilities in still other ways (which we don’t have room to go into here).”

  10. YJ says :

    Bill – you are simply amasing and a real treasure.

    Your generosity, patience and time you spend on this blog is very much appreciated. I get so much from what you have to say and from what the responding posters have to say.

    The big mind thing sounds very exciting – shame you both are not over here in Australia … or Brisbane to be more precise :-)

  11. David says :

    Hi Bill,

    Cool stuff :O) Cheers for the great blog entry. I really enjoy checking out your blog, fascinating reading!

    Thanks again,
    David :O)

  12. Bob says :

    Hi Bill
    Great response as per….
    Again, personally for me, things have happened in my life that have proved beyond my own doubt that there is somthing else out there :)
    For me i think true psychic persons maybe would not take up that guys offer as it mainly comes down to helping people out and what not. To have to act out of greed or to prove a point would kind of go against the grain so to speak?
    As for my thinking im still finding it tricky to put a name to but hey im on a road and the road feels good :)
    your blogs are cool and holosync is great
    and i am looking for Ken Wilbur books
    ta ta for now and take care

  13. Kurt says :

    as far as paranormal abilities…

    i don’t think that because no one has claimed the amazing randi’s prize, that disproves the possibility of paranormal abilities… the american military has put decades of very scientific research and use into remote viewing… i don’t think any of them claim 100% success with this paranormal ability (used as another form of intelligence gathering) but if i’m to believe even some of the info i’ll heard or read on it from the the people who originated the program the most adept at this skill have success rates way beyond statistical randomness in scientific double blind studies.

    regardless of the scientific prove-ability i agree with you that people will interpret it from they point of view… or should i say level of development ?… but to be accurate i think the scientific method has determined this paranormal ability to be authentic with a handful of trained individuals.

  14. Todd says :

    Charles,

    Bill doesn’t need a therapist and frankly your comments are funky, as though you have insight to what he’s thinking. Your comments come across as extremely condescending. I’m so glad you’re psychic now.

    Sheesh.

    Thanks for the post Bill…always appreciated.

    T

  15. Nigel Ford says :

    Bill
    I continue to appreciate your insight, breadth and depth of knowledge and enlightened patience.
    I do have to express a longing for the old days of the mindchatter reports and your wide ranging theses on aspects of human development.
    The blog seems to be dragged back into your defence and justification against those that do not agree with your opinion, rather than a free form discussion of individual topics.
    Whilst I agree with the wish to help people and clarify their questions, you yourself agree that you can only help those that are ready for and accepting of that help. Those who are not ready will simply not accept even the most poetic of arguments.
    Please, please, will you return to your old style of teaching, which allows those of us who are happy to listen to your wisdom, and take from it what we are currently ready for, to benefit most from it? You know will never please those who only come to argue, and only encourage goad them with your attention.
    Though I understand the need and benefits of changing to a blog format from an internet and search engine perspective, I do so regret that almost inevitably the format tends to degenerate to the level of the lowest denominator unless stringently controlled.
    I look forward to the return of your interesting essays.
    Peace and Regards
    Nigel

  16. Stephen says :

    Bill,

    Thanks for this excellent clarification. We really do appreciate the time you take to explain this.

    I hate to ask you to have to explain yet more – surely you’ve done enough!- but the Feng Shui question really does remain a problem for me. As one of the guys asked on your previous blog entry , how is that you personally endorse an approach to Feng Shui (was it called Diamond Feng Shui ? )

    I’m afraid I struggle with the idea that people can get unexpectedly rich by moving the furniture around. Why would you put your name to something like that? It’s a bit confusing for my poor little head!

    ALL THE BEST!

  17. Edward Safranski says :

    I like this latest post. It seems I need to work on transcending my magical thinking. In one paragraph you mentioned the big bang. With that in mind please visit the following two related websites. I think you will find them to be most intriguing.

    http://www.thunderbolts.info/

    http://www.electric-cosmos.org/index.htm

  18. Neo says :

    Bill

    Totally agree with your points on “magical thinking” but as you also said when talking about the Sedona Method. :

    “…releasing is a way to manifest your desires–though he has said that people who release are happier, and ironically such people do tend to get more of whatever they need…”

    Maybe there is something there in the part that you said ” Ironically such people do tend to get more of whatever they need…”

    Some people will call irony, others luck, others faith, others Law of Attraction”, etc

    The Fact is that we currently can not fully explain all the amazing potential that we all have dormant inside of us.

    The “experts” in brain research say that we only use 10% of our brain power, there are huge areas that we ALL still do not know how it really works. Even though we create theories, and rationalizations to try to explain it and say that we really understand what we do not know it yet.

    Your products are focused in helping develop these areas.

    We are (still) pretty much and unfortunately in the infancy of brain research studies.

    I agree that sitting down and thinking that your new house will materialize out of thin air is something that we can call magical thinking….

    But who knows maybe, just maybe there are things that we have the potential of doing that we are not currently aware of and not knowing that does not necessary mean it does not exist.

    Take Care

    Neo

  19. Elise Gainer says :

    Thank you Bill for having the patience to do a third post. It gave me a lot of clarity on your discussion for which I appreciate because I WANT to develop…however I am ‘releasing’ (using the Sedona Method)’ my attachment to needing to be at a different level :-)

  20. Des Rice says :

    Brilliant. I am delighted to read a blog where someone explains Ken Wilber’s amazing work in clear suscinct terms that I can understand. It is also wonderful how you have used it to help clarify “The Secret” and comment on the very useful Sedona method.
    Thank you.

  21. Kathy says :

    I also subscribe to several blogs and newsletters and Bill you say it all so much better. I discovered you on the internet in January of this year. I have been using Holosync since February. My discovery was magic and I am grateful.

    I have to say that finding your existence has certainly improved mine.

    Keep on keeping on.

    Kathy

  22. Anna Paradox says :

    Dear Bill,

    Reading your posts brought me great calm. I have sometimes fallen prey to confusing pre- and post-conventional thinking — I think there is a lot of that confusion going around now! Especially since these posts came at a time of chaos for me, I really appreciated the reminder and the clarity.

    Keep up the good work!

    All the best to you,
    Anna

  23. Jason says :

    Hi Bill,

    This post is kind of for anyone with lingering doubts
    about the clarity of things that you’ve been blogging
    about. It also runs on quite a bit–it’s worth it though.

    First off, I have a long way to go in all senses and at
    one point I thought I had *it* figured out. Bzzz.

    Developmental processes and levels are totally relevant
    in my case since I think my experience of 2 things have
    put me on another path in life.

    When you say that Holosync users *may* have some
    upheaval (ROFL), in my case even doing the first level
    exactly according to instructions was certainly above
    that for me. On the other hand, I have never been able
    to shift as a person like I did in that 4-5 months than in
    any other traditional training in my life.

    The process is a roller coaster and it’s the most interesting
    thing I’ve ever experienced if I hadn’t done it for myself to
    this point, I’m not sure where I’d currently be.

    I think I have a point here…

    Ah yes, in your explanation of developmental stages I am
    getting a lot more clear on what I believe you meant you
    mean by “the map is not the territory”.

    So here was the turning point and it is, in part, where I credit
    the insight. Part of the observation of what I have created in
    my life to this point is akin to seeing where the material (financial)
    errors and actions took place. Very useful.

    Which led me to research Genpo Roshi thinking that perhaps a
    view of what I think I’m looking for would encourage me to get
    more clear insight.

    For anyone who has the opportunity I came across the Big Mind
    process in parts (clearly not the whole thing, or in person) on
    YouTube. CHECK it out! Then get to this ‘in person’ event.

    I just did the process in part I imagine by following along the
    small snippets and I can’t even explain what it was like. As a
    matter of fact NOTHING I have ever seen or experienced in my
    life was as revealing.

    The best part is, I still don’t get it. :)

    Anyway, after writing this essay I just want to pass on the info
    about how the synergistic combination of these 2 people can
    take you a quantum leap back to where things are at least OK
    for you.

    My life is currently a mess as I experience it and I’m a novice
    IMO, but here is the key thing…

    It’s more or less fine with me. There was a time when I thought
    the world was coming to an end whenever things appeared against
    the way I thought they should. It’s not so bad anymore.

    Thanks for the insights Bill. For the rest of you, get to that event.
    If I were you and I could go–I wouldn’t hesitate for a nanosecond!

    You may just run into yourself there…and you may be shocked like
    nothing you have ever experienced to date.

    OK, I’m done and I think I’ll make shorter comments in the future. ;)

    Peace,

    Jay

  24. Charlyne says :

    Hi Bill! Your teachings about the different cognitive development levels reminds me of Deepak Chopra’s book “How to Know God” where he speaks about the “7 Levels of God”…perhaps this is his re-interperation of the information you are discussing?
    I happened to read this book while I had a friend in my life who was a “fundamental Christian”..pestering me into following his beliefs…and I found it annoying and insulting…something within me wanted to “prove” to him that he was “wrong” about his beliefs…and I had the inclination to just show him this book to “prove” to him that he was “only” on level 1 and that “I” was on a “higher level” than he was! That I would “put him in his place” with this information!
    I did NOT show him this book..as I managed to “catch myself” all caught up in my ego..wanting to be “right” at someone else’s expense….it was a “humbling insight” for me to see that I still want to do this at times! So..perhaps we sometimes can use this numbering system the way “I” had wanted to..to show superiority..which is not the way it was meant at all! So..I used Deepak’s information instead to help me deepen my level of “compassion” for the person who was annoying me instead..which I think was much more valuable for me than “feeling right”..by making someone else wrong…(whoops!)
    ( I still “let go” of him in my life..as I STILL found him annoying…but I did so with more compassion…and less “being right”…and he still does not know about this book! He would only have “argued” with the principles anyway..right? )
    Insights and information such as this have great value in understanding how our “minds” work…I think perhaps some of your “critics” may be having trouble with the “numbering system”…in that there may be assumptions that “level 1” is less “good” than “level 7”..in that most of us..with our egos..like to believe we are “better than some people”..so to see ourselves on the lower levels makes some of us feel as “if we still may have “room to grow”…and I think that may bother “the ego” you know?
    I’m sure this has already occured to you though!
    The comments you have shared about the questionabilty of “psychic” phenomena being “not yet provable”….I was not aware of…I thought places such as the Menniger Foundation etc. had been doing scientific studies for many years. I see that you also said “These studies were not yet accepted by “standard science”…I never thought to question that.
    I have had what I call “psychic” experiences most of my life. And I cannot prove that..nor can I “do it on command”. However….I never attributed this to some “magic process”…nor did I ever feel I was somehow “special”. I assumed if I have this “ability” that so does everyone else..they just may not have known to “try this”. (In fact..when I was a child..I assumed that everyone could also do this too! (My Mother was this way too..and she taught me that “we don’t TALK about that!)
    At this stage in my life ..I attribute these “insights or experiences” to the “collective unconscious”…that is available to anyone..potentially…there seems to be much that “modern science” does not know how to “prove” yet…however that does not mean it does not exist…
    Again..I am probably saying things you already know about..or have studied from the works of others…so I don’t mean to sound as if I could “know more than you”…because I am certain that I don’t….that is why I think of you as one of my “teachers”…but would some inclusion in the discussion of the collective unconscious…and how we tap into that with meditation..be relevant to the discussion?
    If so..would you speak to this a little more..if you want?
    I have read that the ancient “masters”…learned things from “direct knowing”…such as the Science of Ayervedic medicine and accupuncture…not from “left-brain” scientific studies…you probably have read all that I have and much more.
    Could you speak more about this “direct knowing”..through meditation? Perhaps is has not been “proven yet” with science..but of course it exists…
    Your discussion (above) gave me the impression that you were saying that if “science has not proven it”..that it does not exist…and perhaps…probably..I have misunderstood you?
    As a seasoned “explorer of inner consciousness”…I am assuming you have direct experience of things “not yet proven”? I’ve read most everything you have ever written and do not recall that you have ever spoken of these things yet. Perhaps I just missed something?

  25. Tom Mclernon says :

    These Universal LAWS have always been. And they have always been used in some form or another, for some kind of manifestation that would appear to be magical.

    Even now the discoveries of Quantum Physics show the same principle, that all of the matter in the whole Universe appears to have come from nothingness, and that the outcome of Quantum experiments appears to be influenced by expectation.

    One thing that I never see mentioned in all of this manifest your dreams spin is that these LAWS can be used rightly and wrongly. Either in accordance to the MASTER PLAN or contrary to the MASTER PLAN. Also that there are other more subtle aspects to these LAWS than first meets the eye for instance Galatians 6 verse 7, or Proverbs 16 verse 25. In other words are you using them for “Universal Purpose” or for selfish ends? This will determine the Souls total experience, in what has to be eventually reaped.

  26. Tom Hilton says :

    Bill,
    It’s very rare to encounter someone who writes with such clarity, sincerity, and common sense on important topics. Thanks Bill.
    I stated reading Ken Wilber twenty-six years ago, I have been a member of Wilber’s Interal Institute since its inception, and am in my fifteenth year of daily meditation practice. Last year I was introduced to Genpo Roshi through I-I, and I have been doing the Big Mind Process via DVD. Two months ago I was introduced to Holosync and you through I-I, and I am six weeks into the program. The three of you are creating a 21st. framework and practice that makes me hopeful for the future. Please commit to doing a workshop with Genpo Roshi on the mid-point of the east coast: Washington D.C. very soon.

  27. Gene says :

    Interesting viewpoints and discussion. I suspect there are many things that are, as yet, not scientifically proven.

  28. Tina says :

    Bill,

    I am finding these blogs very interesting and informative. I even find the comments useful as they challenge my beliefs, and I find that when I’m challenged I come out the other end stronger.

    I am currently at a level in my own development where my beliefs are consistently and constantly challenged from those around me. This is fine, since I am trying to educate those around me that there is a better way of living, providing them with proof of my own “turn-around”, leading them to readings/seminars and so on so they can read and maybe understand for themselves. I want for others first what I want for myself. I have experienced great and wonderful changes and want everyone else to have it too. The challenge in this is to not force people, only to lead and to understand that their lack of acceptance of it doesn’t make them bad, ignorant nor does it make me crazy (although that has been suggested), it just means that they aren’t ready to accept it and that is fine.

    I am continually amazed and humbled by the whole concept of using the Law of Attraction to be open to things coming into my life when I need them or when I’ve asked for them. Stuck on a few points, I asked for clarity and on my own I found myself reading Maslow and Piaget (both of which were studied academically in the past) and linking it to my LOA beliefs. I thought I was being so clever (yes, I know an ego-driven thought, haha). So you can imagine my joy when I read the blog and found Bill referencing these very things.

    It’s nice to know this all ISN’T magic.

    I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to explain all of this and to point out some of the resistances that people are having. Each blog posts makes things more clear for me, while each comment makes me nod in agreement or to redfine and perhaps recement my own beliefs. I know I’m on the right track, but it never hurts to learn more.

    I feel blessed to have discovered the Secret; and more importantly the Masters of the Secret. It has led me down a wonderful path and I’m taking the most awesome journey ever.

    Thanks Biill! Keep on keepin’ on!

    -Tina

  29. John wilson says :

    I fully take on board what Bill says about magical thinking. The doubt that remains with me arises from the law of manifestation, which says if you believe x will work for you then you will manifest x. If you don’t believe x will work for you then you won’t manifest x. If you substitute ‘magical thinking’ for x, does that mean magical thinking will work for you if you believe it will? It seemed to work for Jesus with the loaves and fishes!

  30. Sharon says :

    Developmental psychology is a theory and not a Universal Law. You’ve done a great service in opening this dialogue through generosity and courage, Bill and for that we are grateful. It’s been simply refreshing and wonderful to read so many thoughtful, un-guru-following responses. One needs, one wants, one visualizes, one creates. Magic gives one hope, from hope springs wanting and from wanting springs a connection with the Universe and magical ideas of expansion. We expand consciousness by moving forward and taking action and manifesting from these magical ideas. The best teachers inspire and give hope, they don’t preach their pretentious early-church, my-way-or-the-highway dogma perception of things, they know that their perceptions will change as they grow. Pre/post, whatever, by the very definition of genius, none of the great minds of the world could be compartmentalized and most show their genius by admitting to a touch of belief in magic (or the unexplained/unknowable). Not even for a second do I think my landing on this blog and feeling compelled to read every last post, was circumstantial and not magical. Thanks again, Bill, for being here and opening up this discussion. It has been purely magical!

  31. Ashish says :

    Bill is the man!!..high 5 to him!

  32. Tom Verbroekken says :

    Hi Bill,

    Thank you for the insightful article! To back you up on The Sedona Method part of your article, here is my personal experience of Releasing on goals with The Sedona Method.

    I have the highest regards for The Sedona Method, due to the originator: Lester Levenson. He always emphasised the need to prove things for yourself, instead of accepting anything on hearsay. I’ve been using The Sedona Method for 1,5 years now and I’m still getting new insights and keep on raising in consciousness. Your view about The Sedona Method is correct; there is no “magical way” to manifesting what you want. Releasing your attachments and aversions (which are the 2 components of desire) of your goals might lead to attracting the thing you wanted, but only if it is in harmony with others. In my personal experience, I’ve attracted situations and people by releasing on certain goals, and then acted on those. They always were harmonious and I always provided good service for the people involved. There is no such thing as “something for nothing”. Did I get my share as well? Yes, of course. Did that really matter? No, not really.

    Step number one in the Sedona Method is to release for freedom, not for the goal. There is a good reason for that as well. Behind every want that you have is a desire, and that desire is ‘made of’ attachments and aversions. A desire, in short, is lack. Whenever you rid yourself of feelings and thoughts of lack, the more freedom you experience. Whether you achieve your “want” or not, is irrelevant; as long as you achieve that greater freedom. This step really is the basis for The Sedona Method in my opinion. If this step is out of place, you can Release all you want, but it won’t get you anywhere.

    Releasing on desire directly is even more effective. However, you’ll need to realize this fully before you’ll ever release directly on desire. This is so because your mind will fight this vehemently. Your ego is tricked into thinking that wanting (desiring = lacking) is the method of going through life, so you’ll need a solid understanding of what desire really is. And the best way to do this is by releasing a lot of your “garbage”, your subconsciously stored beliefs and feelings. Then you’ll experientially know that desire only is a feeling that can be released.

    You’ll eventually become other centered in your journey of awareness, once you realize who you (and thus, others) are. Bill was not lying when he said that he doesn’t care about his own needs anymore. This is a natural effect of raising in consciousness. How long does this take? That varies per human being. Lester Levenson made rapid changes in consciousness because his life was at stake in 1952. How much do you want freedom above wanting your desires? That’ll give you an indication.

    Love,

    Tom :)

  33. T. L. Swan says :

    In reading your opinions about magical thinking, I must say you haven’t done your homework. Many of us are magical thinkers by heredity…others by race…and the number of people who truly understand what magical thinking is really about…and how it works is growing daily. I am a magical thinker. The people with whom I’m acquainted who are also magical thinkers know nothing comes to us just because we want personal gain. We do count on the Universe to carry our vibrations, however. We do believe there is something greater than ourselves, something which formed this universe to begin with. Yet we do not worship this, Creator for lack of a better term, because we understand that we are all part of it. We live our lives in the same manner as The Secret describes, and, frankly, some of us were a little amused that this big Secret is just now being revealed to the majority as we have always known The Secret.

    Frankly, we do not work for personal gain, as you do. At the present time, our desire is to send out Universally intentions that will heal our planet, and that is our main focus.

    I wish you deeper insight for what I believe are your true ambitions, which in some ways parallel ours, and hope you center more from your heart than from your mind. I also hope you heal that part of yourself which lashes out defensively in order to maintain the level of leadership in which you view yourself. It’s okay to admit there may be other views which differ from yours, by accepting them as what works for other people. It’s human to be different, but it is Divine to understand that while we are all reaching for the same thing, we can all get there, even though it be through different practices and beliefs.

    Blessings.

    T. L. Swan

  34. Jerry Dechant says :

    http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=98637196

    Hi Bill,

    Above is a link to my MySpace Blog where there is a blog titled, “lets talk about language,” dated 11/8/07. There are some thoughts in there that may be useful to consider when trying to address people misintrepeting or not comprehending the intended meanins of what you write.

    I’ve participated in many chat groups where I’ve posted stuff, and there is always someone who doesn’t “get it.” I’ve come to the point of letting that be okay, because they’ve been exposed to the information, and at some point when they are ready to “get it,” they will recall what I wrote and have an Ahaa! moment.

    I think it is admirable that you apply efforts to add clarity to the thoughts you’ve presented, and certainly is worthwhile for those who are at a point where they will “get it.” For those who aren’t at that place in their development where they will comprehend it as it was presented to be comprehended, all sort of explainations and attention is necessary for them to get it, and as you’ve said, you don’t have the time to do that for each individual.

    In some of your instructional literature you say something to the fact of letting whatever happens be okay, be detached from it as though you are a scientist studying a butterfly or something, and just observe it. I think in this observation process, there may be something about your own experience that you discover about yourself as well.

    The world and the people in it, the experiences we have of that all, is a reflection of our own state of being in awareness and we’ve intentionally or unintentionally drawn all of this into our experience for what it can teach us or show us about our own perspective in being. It may therefore seem that an issue that confronts us, such as someone being critical of something we write is about them being critical about what we write, when in fact it is really about our openness to their point of perspective in awareness and being.

    Everyone is a wonderful jewel worth treasuring in what they bring to us and how they intentionally, or unknowingly bring us into a more loving and accepting/allowing state of being.

    I think there are many more people who “get it” when it comes to what you write, than there are who don’t, so I’d acknowledge that and appreciate that. In so doing, you are likely to find more fulfillment and value realized by those who read what you write.

    I appreciate and enjoy reading your blogs.

    Thanks for being here, and doing this :)

    Best regards,
    Jerry

    Oh, by the way, if you by chance have a MySpace page, I would like to include you on my friends list :)

  35. Elizabeth says :

    Bill – Thank you for your clarification and clearly stated perspective on magic, pre-conventional and post-conventional stages. I am looking forward to your next posting on Piaget. I will also be most interested when you begin a discussion in regards post-conventional level of development. I see the difference between “magical” thinking and rational thought, but I believe in both. I like the idea of perspective, and getting a wider view.

  36. Mike Helsher says :

    Hi Bill,

    Big big Love Fleetwood Mac style!

    I totally agree with your take on “magical thinking”. I was inspired by “the Secret” to move in a better direction: it brought a few pieces of the puzzle together for me, from a perspective based on 25+ years of self study. The phases of which are to numorus to mention here, except to say that I’ve gone from my “Stewart Smallie” phase in the 80’s, to the study of epistemology, or “what is thinking?” So I had a boat-load of wonderful painful memories associated with the idea of wishful thinking or “God is taking care of me”, when I first saw the movie.

    I think it was Steve Martin’s character in the movie “the Grand Canyon” that said something like: “All of life’s riddles are solved in the movies”. Now I’m open to the idea of “the movies” meaning all of them (especially some of the Monty Python classics) but not any one movie.

    As far as I can tell, Ronda Byrne did a great job of making a movie based on who she was and where she was at. I had the chance to talk personally with Bob Proctor about that, and I have no reason to doubt her intentions, or his. But we all know what the road to hell is paved with…:)

    My one concern with an anti-magical thinking mindset, is that it seems to create (or attract) some real one sided fundy type cynicism – the opposite of magical thinking – cynical thinking: A natural example of the law of Polarity, for those who have learned about such the hard way. But my experience thus far has shown that the cynics tend to stay in the comfort zone, get stuck in the negative, and settle for “the distorted security in familiar pain”. A phase I see as being addicted to narcissistic “Brain thinking” which in pure reductionist fashion, tends to reduce human existence to the idea that we’re just a higher form of ape, that evolved as part of an unconscious accident – A frozen concept put forth in human words.

    I don’t know whats worse, “magical thinking” or “brain thinking”. Both stem from a certain level of awareness.

    One can let go of magical thinking, without letting go of the reverent awe of the mysteries of this amazing Life that we’ve been blessed with. Pray and move your feet right?

    And oh! how is it that two atoms can effect each other instantly over great distances, and be in two places at the same time? To my knowledge, no one really knows. I think it wise to have reverence for such questions. In fact, living thinking lives in the question.

    Bill, you mention the law of cause and effect. For me the “Law of attraction” is also the Law of Vibration” I work with some other universal laws as well: Gender, Polarity, Rythm, Perpetual transmutation of energy, and Relativity. My understanding of which will be tilled under in a few years I’m sure.

    I hope there will be a second Secret movie addressing the need to deal with our conditioning, and process of working faithfully on the idea “Know thy Self”.

    Warm Regards

    Mike Helsher

    PS. and I second everything that the thousands of people that have been helped by your Holosync programs, have had to say!

  37. Arvydas says :

    Nice article. What about just saying it in simple way? Using mind not being it is the enlightened state. Now as concerning blog Everyone should be thankful for your efforts to make everything clear, Bill. But i suggest not to be pulled into “it”, you know what is meant here. “Adding MORE to ones mind” and “becoming” is 2 psychological aspects which holds people from developping in my opinion.

  38. jonathan says :

    Thankyou Bill,

    I’m presently on Holosync Purification level 2, and have recently been realising that the real gift of The Secret is that we GET to put 100% (nothing less will do) into manifesting our own brilliant realities.
    Basically, if anyone wants to create the life they’re aching for, theres only one way its going to happen, and thats by individual EFFORT, SELF reliance, taking FULL responsibility, COMPLETELY DISCARDING the victim mentality(you know;poor me the universe should give me something,so I don’t have to COMMIT to MYSELF!) and throwing EVERYTHING you’ve got at YOUR LIFE!
    Well , as you are teaching us Bill, those things are actually the FUN things!
    Personally I feel the beauty of Holosync is that it transforms procrastination and magical thinking into dynamic self reliant brilliance which facilitates the individual to GO OUT THERE and get EXACTLY what they WANT!
    So Guys stop making EXCUSES, stop HIDING from your own LIVES and stop COMPLAINING to Bill, cos whatever he says is RIGHT ON THE MONEY!!

    It’s only going to take….EVERYTHING YOU’VE GOT to make your lifeplan succeed and the bonus side effect is that you’ll be so busy CONSCIOUSLY MANIFESTING an awesome reality, you’re gonna forget all about LURKING unconsciously in your SHADOW self and perpetually dreaming up ever new excuses why NOT TO DO IT, and basically being miserable.

    My advice is to stick with the program and Bill’s brilliant way of thinking will eventually emerge in your consciousness.

    And that my friends is the beginning of FREEDOM!!

  39. jonathan says :

    I think Sophocles summed it up when he said;

    “Heaven never helps the person who will not act”.

  40. Diana Ross says :

    Dear Mr. Harris,
    Thank you for writing this blog! I think I got in on something that you had written from before that many of your readers didn’t understand or misinterrpreted, but I wanted you to know that I admire your stamina and patients with people who don’t quite do enough research on cognitive abilities and judge too quick. You are very enlightening and I very much enjoyed reading this blog. I will certainly look forward to learning more from you on Cognitive Development and hopefully gain a better perspective in order to “pay it forward” to all my family and friends and have a greater utmost respect for your teachings in the future! I hope to one day have the honor of meeting you in person. Unfortunately I don’t get to travel much, but would love to come to California to hear you speak. Best Wishes and Thank you again. Bless you, Diana Ross Weatherford, Texas

  41. Thomas says :

    Bill

    After reading all that the one thing that comes to mind is this K.I.S.S.

  42. gloria says :

    James Randi as an authority on serious scientific study of the paranormal is an unfortunate choice. He is nothing more than an annoying joke to those engaged in genuine research – a mosquito biting an iron ball. For balance, try googling the US government’s Stargate program.

    If I had wanted unequivocal scientific proof before starting the Holosynch program I would have unnecessarily delayed the tremendous benefits I have received from it. Sometimes in life we just have to ‘suck it and see.’

  43. Aisjah says :

    Dear Bill,
    I have been reading your recent blogs with great interest and you have clarified many points for me. Since I have begun to use the Holosync CD’s -and I probably hold the record for getting the most out of all the levels by using them for longer periods of time at each level- I have been really amazed at all the experiences I’ve experienced and the ways that my life has changed. It has been an extroadinary ride and for this I’m very grateful for your creation of the Holosync tools for transformation. Since the beginning of listening to Holosync, the level of my work and my ability to earn money has greatly increased. not only that, my life is completely different, -divorced, financially responsible for myself in all ways, moved thousands of miles, have taken on greater responsibility in my work which is Palliative care for the elderly, feel more compassionate for others and want to be of service in healthy ways, so my life is evidence that somehow by listening to holosync I’ve moved on to other levels and that the upheavels that have come and gone and still come -always lead to something good for myself and others.
    I’d like to take the time to thank you for your sincerity and willingness to explain ideas and concepts in your blogs, and also be willing to get raw feedback from us. Big mind sounds wonderful. I wonder if speaking in a voice from that inner state of Big Mind explains the phenonmena of chanelling? its interesting that at that level it clears and integrates shadow material. I’d like to go to LA. There is so much we still do not know, but that understanding will come about with evolution. Brain entrainment seems to be helping mankind move forward in that evolutionary realm, coupled with new theories and understandings of Psychology and Spiritual development. It was explained to me once that Psychic development is on one of the lower rungs of the spiritual tree. Transcendance, Cosmic Awareness and so much more is at the height or top of the spiritual tree. Thanks Bill.

  44. Colin Morris says :

    I find Bill’s teachings and the sedona method to be a great combination. Sedona has a spiritual flavour, whereas Bill favours the psychological.

    This discussion about ‘magical thinking’ seems to be coming from a ‘conventional level’. It would be interesting to hear the ‘post-conventional’ viewpoint, as a lot of teachers suggest there is more to reality than meets the eye.

    There is a great zen quote: Do not seek for the truth, only cease to cherish opinions.

    I’m looking forward to the dscussions on cognitive development!

  45. Susan Hay says :

    Hello,

    A quick note to thank you, Bill, for the evident time and effort you have put into this blog. You are an excellent teacher, articulate and clear, and it’s a pleasure to read your writing.

    Now, mind you, I have to say that don’t always WANT to understand what you’re getting at, because after all, I have a certain vested interest in keeping the internal status quo: it’s quite a bit more comfortable for my ego to hold onto my present rationalizations – but sooner or later your words sift down into my consciousness and lo and behold, I find myself saying to myself, “Hmm, I guess Bill was right.” One small step at a time….

    Please keep up the great work; your blog is one of the things I most look forward to online!

    Kindest regards,
    Karma Sue

  46. Steve Wallingford says :

    Hi Bill,

    Great post! You are so very adept at presenting ideas and making them crystal clear. Your relating of the current thinking on levels of development and the characteristics of each level is very informative and thought provoking. You are truly a gifted teacher.

    One thing that I need a bit of clarity on is where does someone stop just expressing where they are coming from and how they see what you are saying and where do they start becoming a critic? It seemed many people posted their thoughts and opinions on your previous blogs as a response to the ideas you have presented and not to criticize you personally. I know that was my intent and it was certainly not meant to be a personal attack. The intent was just to have an exchange of ideas with a hope of learning more about my position through an honest expression of how things look from here and getting a response from someone with deeper insight.

    Blog responses can really devolve into ranting and raving and lots of emotional nonsense, so I totally understand you wanting to keep things focused. However, blogs by their nature are meant to be places of free expression of ideas and opinions, so how to find balance?

    With highest regards,

    Steve Wallingford

  47. Kevin says :

    Hello Bill and fellow life learners,
    I have been using Bill’s cd’s for the last 2 years and am listening to them as I type this post. I am somewhat puzzled as I read this debate as I was under the intention the whole purpose of this new spirituality, this new age thinking, this awakening was to teach us how to learn to adapt to a knew type of thinking, a new way of being with each other. What I see happening here is just this same “Jesus at the marketplace” scenario playing itself out in modern day. I will not elaborate on that you can make your own depiction and see where it take s you. We as a human race, a species, a singular being are being awakened to a larger concept of who and what we are. That is it, that is what is happening, it isn’t going to happen it is happening right now. And guess what, it is magical, in its complexity and its simplicity it as absolutely amazing. This doesn’t mean what is happening and how it is happening cannot be explained, it just means that even if the explanation doesn’t make sense, it doesn’t mean it isn’t a viable explanation. Bill, personally I think you should go back and drink some of your own koolaid. Look around you and what are you seeing, are you confusing the map with the territory. Even for those who have a deep understanding of how this whole think works, it is easy to get caught up in the picture.
    Anyway, just my two cents for what it is or isn’t worth, please discuss amongst yourselves.

  48. Anthony says :

    Hi Bill —

    Thanks for the thoughtful response to my earlier comments. I think it goes far towards clarifying your thoughts on this important subject.

    I do want to make the following comments:

    (1) I just visited The Sedona Method website, which claims that if you use The Sedona Method, the following things will happen:

    * Experience dramatic shifts in self-esteem and self-confidence that will improve your career, ignite passionate romances, create wealth, launch businesses, and much more . . .
    * Enjoy deep feelings of inner peace that bring more joy and happiness to everyday life . . .
    * Experience freedom from long-standing emotional challenges such as fear and anxiety, anger management, depression and emotional traumas . . .
    * Effortlessly find the courage to take massive action towards being, doing and having the most exciting things life has to offer . . .
    * Put an end, once and for all, to the struggle to quit smoking, drinking, overeating and other impulsive, addictive, self-defeating behaviors.

    Apparently, magical thinking is alive and well in the marketing department at The Sedona Method. They also seem to think that enlightenment will guarantee happiness – alas, if only that were so…

    (2) Speaking of marketing, you yourself appear on The Secret, which is a de facto endorsement of it. I do not think The Secret advocates getting something without effort; I think it simply invites people to consider the power of positive thinking. True, The Secret is a vast oversimplification of certain metaphysical ideas, but I think you and other thinkers who appeared on the show know very well that it was deliberately intended to be. The Secret is a marketing tool for introducing new people to metaphysical ways of thinking; those who seek more complete answers will very likely buy the products and services of the speakers featured on the show. And in my book, there’s nothing wrong with that.

    (3) I agree that later developmental stages are more powerful than earlier developmental stages, but I remain puzzled by Ken Wilber’s — and your –- need to distance yourselves from the earlier developmental stages. A truly integral perspective would accept and note both the advantages and disadvantages of the earlier developmental stages and then move on, making no judgments about them. Rather than making dubious claims about “I don’t need money” and “I only think of others,” I think it’s better to accept the fact that we all need money (even the wealthy, because they wouldn’t continue to be wealthy without it) and we all need to think of ourselves (so that we can then think about others). I emphasize this point, because, as I argue below, it is very important that we not be in denial about the importance of the early developmental stages. (And no, I say this not because I am trapped within a magical thinking perspective; rather, because I have integrated the lower levels, I can accept and appreciate what they have to contribute without any need for denial or distancing from them.)

    (4) I just flatly disagree with the notion that adults do not have, or should not have, “infantile desires.” Infantile desires are simply desires to meet one’s basic needs for security, stimulation, etc. Simply having such desires is not pathological; in fact, not having them is pathological (people who act as if they don’t need security or don’t need stimulation — and any therapist can tell you there are a lot of people out there like — are in a world of denial and hurt). It’s extremely important that everyone accept, be aware of, and have respect for our most basic desires and any sort of healing work that needs to be done at this level.

    Transcendental consciousness is about awareness (or being the Witness, which Holosync excels at helping you to develop), and awareness is conditioned upon acceptance. Denial, then, prevents the development of transcendental consciousness. When we deny the most basic conditions of our lives, including our infantile desires, they get shoved into the unconscious and start running our lives — including the building of elaborate, perfectly “rational” defenses for why we act they way we do, even if those actions cause unhappiness. On the other hand, by accepting our conditions and desires, we can begin to manage them consciously and begin to make wiser — and truly rational — choices about our actions. Make no mistake: by “accepting” infantile desires I do not mean letting them run amok unrestrained by reason; I simply mean acknowledging that we have them — because if we deny having them, that is when they gain control and wreak havoc.

    (5) On shamanism and early societies: If “magical thinking” is to be defined as thinking you will get something without any effort or without providing something of value, then ancient societies weren’t built on it. Any anthropologist can tell you that you ancient rituals were built on the notion of sacrifice — if you wanted the “gods” to give you something, you’d better offer them something valuable, like a lamb (or a human or whatever). More profoundly, however, I think those rituals (and modern rituals too) were about focusing intention and creating awareness around the priorities and desires of the individuals and communities participating in them — and usually these priorities and desires were quite practical (may the harvest be abundant, etc.)

    To dismiss all this as mere “magical thinking” causes us to miss the profound importance of what they were doing: bringing individuals and communities into conscious alignment with what they really want so that they can survive and thrive. I think it’s much wiser to look at ancient societies as discovering and working with the basic structures of consciousness, which they put to practical use via rituals designed to provide individual and social therapy; I don’t think it’s fair to dismiss it all as mere “hocus pocus” even if they didn’t know exactly why or how their rituals worked. Much better to judge it by effectiveness — and it’s apparent their rituals were effective, because everything they did was aimed toward ensuring their survival, and their descendants — us — are here to tell the tale.

    (5) Given all of the above, I think Ken Wilber pays lip service to the notion of “transcend and include,” usually emphasizing the transcendence part at the expense of the inclusion part. This tends to manifest in blithe dismissals of people, practices and societies who are concerned with the most basic developmental levels and processes (what has been labeled “magical thinking”), when what is needed is a deeper understanding of these people/practices/societies so that they can be fully integrated into the consciousness of those who make claims to operating at higher developmental levels.

    You understand that intuitively, Bill, because while, on one hand, you believe that shamanic practices are “magical thinking,” on other other hand, you continue to work with several shamans! This is also why many advanced industrial societies, who like to think of themselves as being based on rational thinking, send teams of scientists and anthropologists to tribes in foreign lands in order to learn their “healing secrets.” Apparently, these “magic” tribes know something valuable about the medical properties of herbs, so perhaps we should also consider the possibility that they also know something valuable about the cultural and psychological processes that condition the use of those herbs — or that may even prevent both the psychological and physical wounds that necessitate the need for the use and dependence on such herbs in the first place?

    (6) A quick sidepoint: As for ESP, etc., there are some awfully smart scientists and other people over at the Institute for Noetic Sciences (founded by Apollo astronaut Edgar Mitchell), who are working on bridging the gap between science and spiritually, including scientific studies on “extended human capacities.” I think the jury is still out on paranormal abilities.

    (7) Another quick sidepoint: You seem to think by simply working hard and creating something of value, the world will reward you for it — that may be the real “magical thinking” going on here, as there are many examples of people doing important things who are not rewarded for it. This is particularly true if we limit the meaning of “rewards” to the financial kind. Markets are notorious for valuing what people think is valuable rather than what is intrinsically valuable. This explains why Van Gogh died penniless although his paintings now sell for millions. This is not to say that people shouldn’t work hard – virtue is its own reward really – but we need to be careful about double-checking all our assumptions before we go around labeling people and things “magical.”

    (7) Which brings me to my last point: why, oh why, do the various hawkers of transcendental ideologies, methods and tools seem to think that their way and only their way is the true route to transcendental consciousness? Are we really sure that only meditation leads to it? Are we really sure that only “post-rational” advanced industrial nations are capable of producing a lot of people who have access to it? Wasn’t Buddha himself part of a “pre-rational” society?

    The observations in the last few paragraphs above are not so easily dismissed by the “pre/trans fallacy” argument. I think it is quite possible that ancient peoples were aware of and had access to transcendental consciousness; this notion that only modern people can be truly transcendental rings false to me, especially since Jesus and Buddha themselves belonged to pre-rational societies. The idea that the ancients were merely ignorant savages wasting their lives away in “magical thinking” is, I think, a psychological defense that modern people use to convince themselves that (a) they aren’t savage themselves, and (b) their lives are so much better than the ancients — and yet we can all think of examples of modern savagery and modern unhappiness.

    I think the main difference between modern societies and ancient ones — and the main benefit of rational thought — is the existence of technology rather than personal happiness; Holosync is proof that we can use technology, and not only ritual, to help us on our spiritual journey. But I don’t think the recent technological improvements should cause us to dismiss older spiritual rituals; those rituals provide a context and forum for conscious alignment with individual and social desires that should inform how we apply those technologies and their benefits in our individual and collective lives.

    Don’t get me wrong: Ken Wilber has made a profound contribution to the philosophy of consciousness by bringing a generalist and developmental overview to a field mired in unuseful specialist bickering. And his independent mode of operating is as much a strength as a weakness. It is unfortunate that he doesn’t respond to his critics, as that would refine his ideas and make them even more powerful; on the other hand, it’s perfectly understandable that he wants to see his ideas applied in as many different fields as possible (religion to politics to culture, and so on) and he’d rather spend his time on that.

    That’s why I am very thankful to you, Bill, for providing one opportunity to critique Ken Wilber’s work.

    I continue to enjoy the use of Holosync.

    Namaste,
    Anthony

  49. Tom says :

    If I had paranormal powers i would never tell anyone about them. The government might kill you or some mobster might kidnap you!

  50. Cat says :

    Bill, Bill, Bill! You are sounding just a teensey bit resentful towards the people who disagree with you. Welcome them! Bless their questions! Treat them as opportunities to expand upon their perspectives and their knowledge. I’m sure, deep down you do, and they are there to reinforce these qualities in you. There are also some comments which read a little negatively, like – I don’t have time here. You don’t need to say that. Why am I bothering to contribute for the very first time to a blog? Because Holosync and Life Integration Principles and all the free(!!) tapes are making a wonderful difference in my life – and the lives of so many others. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

  51. Mark says :

    Bill,
    I personally appreciate all the work you and many others are doing. I was recently asked by someone if I had seen the secret? I said yes, it was great and I bought three copies, gave two away and have one to loan to people. They asked me what I thought? I described the Secret like it was the icing on a cake. When you see a delicious cake with an appealing icing you want to eat it. Well, that is where all you and the others doing the work referred to in the Secret comes into play. The Secret makes you want to learn the receipe of how to make the cake. So that is what I’m doing right now. Practicing learning how to make the cake. It takes practice to make the cake and icing delicious.

  52. Erin says :

    I am enjoying Holosync. It has added a new texture to my deep life and made the more difficult aspects easier to handle. I’ve listened to your cd of a workshop and I was reading all of the blog material.
    I found your last few to be a bit of a diatribe. Your testy responses are a bit confusing only because you are a little bit in a “teacher” position to many people.
    I personally don’t take on “teachers” or “guru’s” because I have a rich magical life that includes contact with my Spirit Guides. They led me to use Holosync during a wild unexpected change in career.
    I hope that you may find more tolerance with Holosyncers that dream or may be seeking a teacher figure so that may learn from this wonderful process as well as the more linear personality types.
    My “aunt sally” always comes through with dough after I’ve requested an inflow of money from Universe/Source. Always in a strange way from an unexpected source when there is a sudden need and no logical way to match the need.
    Coincidences do not exist.

  53. Katbert, the Dilbert Fan says :

    Dear Bill,

    As someone who appreciates your writing, – your CLEAR writing – I feel a sense of frustration on your behalf when someone writes in with a way-off-base “comment”. Usually, their “comment” is an accusation. I laugh my head off when in the comic strip “Dilbert”, Dilbert says something completely clearly yet his pointy-headed boss still mangles it! This material in your blog is more serious than a comic strip, yet I have no cause to despair, for two good reasons:

    1) You’re a “big boy”, as the saying goes, and you handle your criticisms very well. Which just gives all of us readers a chance to learn even more.

    And,

    2) If someone is bothering to write in, even to say something COMPLETELY misguided, at least they are in the right place to be disabused of it! Thank you for doing that about “The Secret”! Thank you!

    Separate from that, I must echo Stephen’s request when he asked you to comment on Feng Shui. In a mystical, metaphysical way, it’s so-o-o appealing. Yet, I too struggle with the idea that people can get unexpectedly rich by moving the furniture around! Raise your threshold by pushing your brain, yes; get rich by moving furniture? Hmm!

    Striving for oneness,
    Kat

  54. Arun Nanes says :

    Hi Bill,

    Thank you for your insight. It is very detailed.

    Thier is nothing to proof to anyone about magic. The own consciousness will answer to all the questions.

    I think that magic is everything that cannot be explained or understand “scientifically.

    A lot of humans know that thier are many kind of energies. Basically their are only 2 kinds of energies: left turning and right turning.

    Left turning energy destroys life, and we can see some examples in nature like most huracanes, typhoons, poisoning, cancer, etc.

    Right turning energy creates or generates life, like oxigen, clean water, happiness and love.

    So, if we mostly cannot see physically love it doesn´t mean that it doesn´t exist, and maybe it cannot be prooven in a lab.

    Another example could be lets say a glass full of wine. If we give it enough right turning energy, the taste will change as if it would mature 3 to 5 years, and most common man cannot see this energy, but the physical properties will be different.

    One last example, talking about a trascendant state. We cannot proof that someone is already enlightened, maybe because their is nothing to proof, or we could also say that why we have to proof it scientifically?

    Blessings,

    Arun

  55. Mary-Ann Franklin says :

    I love your new blog. it has answered so many questions. it is also making everything so clear. Thank-you.
    Mary-Ann

  56. Christina says :

    Hi Bill,
    I have enjoyed reading your blogs, and have been seeing the benefits from using Holoync for two months now. I follow the concepts of universal oneness, and the beautiful Buddhist-esque concepts you refer to in your blogs. :) However, I don’t quite understand the idea that after all desire, attachments, duality is striped away, what’s left is love and perfection. Isn’t love an attachment and something that we consider positive, and inherently an aspect of this system of duality that our mind creates? Do you refer to Ultimate Reality as love because it is so amazing and beyond anything we can fathom, and love is the closest thing we have to relating to something like that?
    Could you e-mail me if you get a chance? I’d really appreciate it. I’m an Anthropology, Philosophy major at UCLA and heard that we have a Mindfulness Awareness Research Center on campus…do you know anything about it? I look forward to the next blog!
    Thanks,
    Christina

  57. John Bullough, UK says :

    Hello Bill,

    Everything you do is world class. Please keep doing it!

    It seems to me that there is no material difference between focusing our minds on what we want and taking action to make it happen. The one INEVITABLY follows the other. And if not, doesn’t is simply mean that we are not focusing our minds where we ‘think’ we are?

    Thank you for your excellent teachings

    John

    P.S. “You can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time.” John Lydgate.

  58. Carrie says :

    Bill,
    Having been studying with you these past few years, I have changed from magical thinking to focusing on what I want and taking the action to bring it into manifestation. Instead of studying “the Secret” I study things that will help me bring the skills to manifest what I want. At first I was concerned about losing my connection to the Divine and Grace that carried me through times of trials and tribulations, but that didn’t happen. I am more connected to a Power greater than myself and because my mind, emotions and Internal Map is in alignment with my desire to be of service, I am much more effective. Thank you for your clairity and patience.

    As I was reading your Blog, I realized that the next level of Spirituality is to see the Big Picture and see that the more we support each others development, the more we are connected.

  59. Diane says :

    Thank you Bill:
    I appreciate the patience you show in answering the arguments that come up. Further explanation and clarification do add reinforcement to new concepts – but I don’t think they’ve been needed because you’re not clear about what you say. You speak clearly! Your first blog on magical thinking was they eye opener for me. (There was that moment of “oh my god, I do that! And then the realization of how silly and incomplete that is.) I understood what you were saying….you were clear!
    Thank you for Holosync, the Map of Reality Expander Course and this blog. It’s an exciting journey!
    Diane

  60. Sam says :

    Bill,

    What are your views on the “Law of Attraction” as taught by the entity Abraham through Jerry and Esther Hicks?

  61. Andrew McCullough says :

    Bill,

    Let me ask a question. Where would you place Christian Science practitioning (healing) within this discussion? Are the practitioner’s statements that “You are the creation of a perfect God, God’s perfect reflection. The perception of disease is simply an error. Once the error is released, no longer believed in, the illusion of disease will disappear.” That’s a fairly shorthanded summary, but does that smack of magical thinking? One does not get healed for free – one must give up the error – the sin – of doubt and lack of faith – or lack of obedience to God’s laws, but healing does occur. Physics or metaphysics? Mental alignment or magical thinking?
    Thanks! Listening to holosync now!

    ASM

  62. Alfonso Jaramillo says :

    Bill thanks a lot for the magical thinking discussion, the way you do it with plain, simple, every day language is great for a “real” understanding of the subject. This blog is 10 times more powerful than mind chatter, it is very powerful to be able to have a continuous discussion with you about the same subject and tying everything together.

    I would like you to address something in one of your future blogs which is the tremendous amount of courses, experiences, technologies that are now available to everyone and how to go about which ones are right for who??? In personal growth is like trying to choose an item from a 500 page menu at a restaurant….

    Keep them coming!!!!

  63. Dan says :

    Bill,
    I am thoroughly enjoying your blog and your articles. Thank You. What you are describing is the natural order of life which is in part, growth. As people, we are entropic, and also conscious and should be; ultimatley, self responsible. Personal growth occurs in humans when we can objectively accept who and what we are, and can then affect a possitive change in whatever chaos is happening in our lives, to create a sense of order until the next period of chaos occurs. Growth is a process which comes from chaos. Without it, we are stagnant. Our beliefs determine the choices we make and the course of action that follows those choices. The Tao of Physics shows us that the line between what we call magic, mysticism or even spiritual or supernatural, is only a label for what we don’t yet understand. Once we have learned that, we call it science because now we have proved it to be repeatable. I find an irony in the fact that knowledge gained not only fosters our growth, but also our limitations. The wise person can see the difference and when it must be applied to our thinking – No easy task.

  64. mila says :

    Dear all ,

    I really enjoyed the book The secret as I believe that all that you deserve comes to you if you have a crystal clear heart but was however disappointed to see that every site ,every lesson had to be paid for .I believe that The laws of the Universe are free for all to enjoy and that if one person has the joy of understanding these They should make sure that these principles be shared lovingly for all to enjoy and the Universe itself will take care to repay the good doer

    thank you

  65. trine says :

    how very useful thanks bill,for expanding upon majical thinking…..
    i used to be around about persons who considered themselves to be `majicians`,and the former considered that to be quite distinct from staged conjuroration,like sawing the lady in half……
    the former would claim having done such and csuch a ritual the gods would smile on them. A few days later miraculously, the result of their ritualisations would appear, fortunately not in the form of halved ladies..

    theyas belevers in th powers would then produce `irrefutable evidence`,recounting ethusiastically how the miracle happened…auspicously,at a certain juxstapose of cosmic events,like a full moon, their sainted aunt dies and left them a fortune,such proof postive of the greatercosmic working conveniently corresponding exactly to thier treasured superstitions..
    it never seemed to enter their minds that if their sainted aunt did indeed die at just the right moment it could have been their ritual which was causative…
    how dare i make such a suggestion was their usual repose,they only did good majic..and in any case the Great Referee in the Universe would not allow such……

    such majical thinking.

  66. Paul van der Geer says :

    Hello Bill I Likked you glossy look Mind Chatter better then this new format.
    Is it possible to have both. Or make the blog look more like a magazine.

    The content is good as always.

    Kind regards, Paul

  67. Emilia Calota says :

    Dear Bill,
    I’m with you and with Holosinc for one year. I’m also following all your comments and i try to read asmuch as my time allows, books that you recommend, or I just find myself in the personal growth area ( that’s the way, by coincidence, I’ve already read some book of Ken Wilber, before coming in discussion in your blog discussions.

    I’m telling all above, because I just would like to tell to ALL these people that are arguing with you, waisting your time for unfruitful explanations to just, all of them, SHUT-UP and LISTEN !! Try to understand in the RIGHT WAY !! These people try to TEACH US GOOD , if you don’t understand, READ MORE !!

    Bill – please do not get discouraged !! Go ahead, the big mass of silent listeners is the important one for you – and we are many !! We don’t even breath – not to waist your precious time, in which you teach us.
    You really make a GREAT JOB for us !
    Thank you !
    Emilia

  68. Elizabeth G. says :

    Hi Bill.

    You are a fantastic writer! This last post finally clarified so much that I didn’t quite understand before. You are so right, that there is no such thing as something for nothing. People watch The Secret and even though it is mentioned a couple of times that taking action is required, they choose to ignore this and see the law of attraction as a magical force. Yet, I watched it, and I understood that action was required. We come from our own perspective.

    As a personal growth advisor, I have people come to me all the time asking how to create MSIs, or how to “get” a million dollars. And I tell them, “The money is a by-product, not the point.” You don’t just look at a fake $1,000,000 bill and think about money more of the time and a *boom* an 18 wheeler filled with hundreds shows up in front of your house. And what would be the meaning in one’s life if that DID happen? That one’s entire existence is about generating more income or assets? What an empty way to live, I would guess.

    I have found that most people really do want something for nothing. For instance, they find it extremely difficult to commit to a daily spiritual practice. They ask me how I attract things so easily (for the record, not in every area of my life … but in certain areas, very easily). I tell them it took me five solid years of daily meditation and learning to live in the now of my life before I became blissful and things fell into place effortlessly. Let me just clarify that by “effortlessly,” I am not saying I did not take any action. I was taking LOTS of action on things that I felt passionately about, and when I did (and do) this, circumstances fell/fall into place easily for me. It felt effortless, because it was such enjoyable and fulfilling action.

    I have a question for you: What is your opinion of Abraham-Hicks’ teachings? (This isn’t a trick question … I’m really just wondering.)

    Your blog enriches my life.

    Elizabeth A. Grant

  69. Mark Lurtsema says :

    You mentioned the amazing Randi’s million dollar offer for anyone who can provide scientifically rigorous and repeatable proof for ESP and other supra-sensory experience.

    Without falling into the pre-/post- fallacy, it seems that Randi views the “magic” of ESP & etc. as bullshit because he is coming from a conventional perspective. And, from a conventional perspective all magic is bullshit. Mystical experience is bullshit. Near Death Experiences are synapses exploding into dissolution. People who are abducted by little green men are crazy or liars or both.

    Yet, once upon a time (only a couple of hundred years ago) meteors falling from the sky were also only reported by crazy people or liars. There was no repeatable scientific evidence that such things occur; and most people did not seem to see them, and few made reports because doing so put one into the crank camp.

    My point is, that one probably cannot set-up a rigorous scientific experiment to prove or disprove phenomena that is at a higher level of development (and complexity). Such phenomena will not fit the context. This would be similar to observing oxygen atoms and then denying the existence of water because oxygen atoms act different when combined with hydrogen than they do alone.

    Observation tells us that water exists. Observation of supra-mental states or little green men may tell us that such things actually exist.

    We may not understand these things and attribute them to magic.

    We may conclude that they are unreal or the product of confabulation, since we cannot view them under a microscope and they are not part of any conventional reality that we relate to.

    We may realize that magic and conventional wisdom aside there may be something to these phenomena, especially if you happen to have some experience with it. That is not necessarily to say that you have an answer, but instead a question.

  70. Sharon says :

    I dunno, Carrie, it would appear that the FIRST level of spirituality WAS in seeing the Big Picture and knowing that the more we support each others’ development, the more we are connected. Just as our ancient ancestors inherently perceived and practiced right from the get-go, with their tribes, their clans, their nations. From the beginning, all the great Masters have taught this.
    The post that most resonated with me was from Arun, with his less-than-perfect English that nevertheless said it so succinctly: “So, if we mostly cannot see physically love it doesn’t mean that it doesnt exist, and maybe it cannot be prooven in a lab.” And: “One last example, talking about a trascendant state. We cannot proof that someone is already enlightened, maybe because their is nothing to proof, or we could also say that why we have to proof it scientifically?” Well said!!
    This blog is indeed Magic! Sharon

  71. Belinda says :

    I understand that people have gotten offended by the previous posts if they are in the first stage even though you didn’t mean to offend or say anything to offend. I think the reason for that may be because people are constantly ranking each other. I said to my friends recently “Self love isn’t thinking of yourself as better, it’s knowing you are equal to everyone in the world, we all have the same potential as each other and saying someone is better than someone else is only an opinion. It doesn’t mean they ARE better. The people who seem “up themselves” don’t have self love at all, they have pride… they need to keep putting others down and pushing themselves up to try and feel “better” but it never lasts as no one is better than anyone, we’re all equal.” It was a light bulb moment for them and for me when I first got it. And even then my friend still didn’t quite get it as she said “but you can look at a bum on the street and say you’re better.” To which I replied, “Having more things doesn;t make someone better.”

    So, what i’m saying is those who got offended saw it as “ranking”, “You’re better if you’re higher..” I can see in this post that you have tried to emphasise the fact that you aren’t “better” than anyone else if you’re in a higher developmental stage so I thought I would comment and say that everyone is equal, and there’s a difference between trying to see yourself as better to being in a higher developmental stage.

  72. Swami Nada says :

    Greeting to all fellow Earthings from somewhere out in the swamp,

    This thing seems to be degenerating into an exercise in picking nits off a dogs butt.

    One could look around and be dazzled and awed by this world and this experience and let the nits be.

    Nada

  73. Marilyn says :

    Bill, you achieve high levels of clarity in what you take upon yourself to argue. What is particularly instructive is that you remain humble and teachable – open to new ideas – yet firm in a fair rejection of spurious logic and wobbly reasoning. Great stuff. Love the blog.

  74. Cheri Fleming says :

    Magical, mythical, whatever–move on. The same goes for The Secret. I agree with previous posters, return to your old format. Endless posts on the same material isn’t interesting or useful.

  75. Dana says :

    I think Bill is doing a great job. On the subject of harnessing and focusing your thinking, I have (and I’m sure many other people do too) proof of this in my life. Years ago, I wished for a way to support myself and be able to pay my bills, but wishing really didn’t get me anywhere. Then I focused my abilities, dedication, and time into a business that is now entering its 8th year. I was focused, I put energy into it (both mental and physical) and was positive in my thinking. This is also extremely important, not what I would call magical in any way. I was recently working on a project, looking at long term projections, when someone said to me ‘I hope you’re not too disappointed when that doesn’t work out.’ Up until that moment in time, failure on that project was not something that I considered or even had a thought about. Comments like that can do much damage, not only in the manner of thinking but affecting creativity, and those negative (failure) thoughts have to be replaced with positive (successful) ones. Bottom line: Bill is right, you have to put something into something to get something back, and the power of your focused, determined mind to get what you want cannot be denied.

  76. RONALD says :

    Bill

    I just want you to know I understand what you were saying and understanding (magical thinking), for what it really is but without action there is just that. I loved your talk on the subject and I hope others will too. I am just getting started on the program and listening to the dive and on the 29th I start listening to immersion. I don’t like to write, but here I am taking the first step. It may seem trivial to most of your readers but it is a beginning for me.

    Thanks

    Ron

  77. Clark says :

    Thank you for the clarifications Bill,

    I enjoy seeing such points of view expressed in sharp precision.

  78. Ramona says :

    At what level of development does modern science operate?

  79. Kelly Carlin-McCall says :

    Bill,

    Thank you for your clear thinking and articulation of these concepts. As you know, these are sticky concepts and ones that some do not want to deal with rationally. I truly appreciate you and your commitment to clarifying them.

  80. Julian says :

    Hey Bill,

    I discovered your teachings in September and since then I’ve become an enthusiastic Holosync meditator and Life Principles course participant.

    I greatly appreciate your mental clarity and the time you devote to detailed explanations. I enjoy reading this blog as much for your writing as for the opportunities it presents others to engage with you, to challenge your thinking and to further broaden your perspectives.

    You are certainly blessed with a very deep and creative mind, however I would beware of presenting the results of your research and deliberation as objective truth. Even the greatest thinkers have their blind spots, and the universe is infinitely more complex and expansive than the human mind.

    As I understand your process of intellectual and spiritual development from what you have shared about yourself, you have studied and learned from many teachers and many traditions and integrated many different perspectives to reach your current level of awareness. My own process is similar, and I was thrilled to be able to add you to my list of ‘sources’. Since you yourself can recognize the ‘elements of the puzzle’ that others hold, how is it that you don’t see that you too are gifted with a part of the puzzle but maybe not the entire perspective?

    Humility is also a part of mastery!

    My sense is that, despite your evident scholarship and deep experience of life, you may be too attached to being right and that your need to defend your ‘model’ at all costs may be blinding you to the existence of certain ‘realities’ which cannot yet be proved or explained by scientific method, but which exist nonetheless.

    I believe that the current discussions about ‘magical thinking’, in part provoked by ‘The Secret’, are an essential stage in our collective development which will lead to increased clarity and self-awareness. I welcome the debate. At this stage, many many people are still chewing over the possibility that what they think has something to do with what they experience, and that is a huge step forward in awareness regardless of how exactly the process works.

    ‘Conscious creation’, or whatever one chooses to call it, is in any case an experiential process of learning, as you have explained over and over in your online course. It cannot be learned from books or blogs or gurus. At some point, you just have to start working with the concept and see what you create or don’t create. Life is the ultimate teacher.

    I’m looking forward to your next topic. Keep up the good work.

    All the best,

    Julian

  81. Nancy says :

    I believe The Secret is a valuable tool in expanding our thinking. I was not lead to believe that all I had to do was think, and the heavens would open. Clearly action is required. However, enriching thoughts lead to better ideas and the will to see them “materialize”

    I found your lengthy disclaimer about your participation in ” The Secret” somewhat disturbing. I have also listened to your series Masters of the Secret and thoroughly enjoyed it. No where in any of those conversations
    about the ideas presented in The Secret did you suggest that you had reservations about its message. Reading your subsequent comments (including your clarifications) still leave me viewing this as an about -face.

    Sincerely
    Nancy

  82. MVM says :

    Albeit, it is admirable that you want to do as much as possible to minimize misunderstanding, some people aren’t going to get it no matter what, haven’t got the sense to realize they don’t get and be still so they might grow into getting it.

  83. Nadia Marmach says :

    I have not read all the posts. I have watched and read the book and film. I also have used learned specific techniques for 22 years. Am I allowed to say via The Silva Method. Brilliant! When I learned them, I realised that they are all part of how we ‘are’. The very first deliberate action that had happened to come my way was learning relaxation, so ‘creative visualisation’ extended me. When you listen in the film, you will find that there is a line, something like this. All the teachers meditate for some part of everyday! That is the key! To’activate’ these natural processes, do it. Then you realise that you are using the preverbial ‘keys to the kingdom of heaven’! It is the vehicle! Be it Holysnc, Zen, prayer, relax, meditation, NLP, hypnosis, Sedona etc. YOU fill in the blanks. And yes I use them ALL….. it works because I make sure the blanks are filled with things I DO want in the in between times:) That is the real secret!

  84. Jeff Eberhart says :

    Bill,
    Thank you for the time and effort you put into your writings. They are truly refreshing and always add a great deal of clarity to understanding the Secret.
    Mario Andretti once said that if everything seems under control, you just aren’t going fast enough. We all could stand to pick up the pace in our lives and work to improve. We have to avoid being ruled by either routine or complacency.
    One thing that is certain though…whatever magical, mystical or scientific course you choose…you have to know where you want to go before you start planning the trip.
    Thank you once again for your inspiration.
    All the best,
    Jeff

  85. Em says :

    Ok, I read your commment on magical thinking and levels or stages of developement. Can you give an overview of these levels so we can have an open discussion on them? What workstudy materials do you offer that covers these levels?
    I’d also like to here from you on the elements that make up a “whole person”. I know you have been exposed to this due to the people you have meet.
    Thanks
    PS I really enjoyed the overview on the spiritual levels of development you posed.
    Em

  86. Kathleen Hawk says :

    I’m a first-timer here, and missed all the previous debate. But I enjoyed this post.

    I had a couple of thoughts in response.

    One thought relates to The Secret. While it may, depending on a student’s inclination toward magical thinking, appear to be some kind of magic wand to “get what you want,” the discipline laid out in The Secret is intense. And to my mind, pretty well aligned with The Sedona Method. A practitioner has to get over every bit of resistance to make this work. That business of believing isn’t just skipping through la-la land, but a form of clarity that is virtually impossible for anyone who is generating internal drama.

    I’m a facilitator too, and one of the best growth tools I know is the articulation of personal dreams and pursuit of their manifestation. Our dreams reflect our level of awareness, and getting what we want is one of the quickest ways to evolve, because it clarifies what’s missing and so the next challenge. If The Secret does no more good than getting people without a lot of confidence or skills in articulation and pursuit of goals to start to focus and to experience hope, I think it’s a good thing.

    I also think it’s a good thing if it clarifies for them that they have problems believing, because they have chronic arguments with God, the universe, their work, their parents, or however they view the environmental matrix. Or that they’re stumbling over their own rules of the universe that foster distrust and reflect their distrust of themselves.

    Persistence on the path of personal development, I think, requires confidence in yourself. It may not be clearly felt that way. It may be a pain-driven search to fix the environment or fix yourself. But at some point, it clearly becomes belief in your own ability to evolve, and that confidence moves on to an expanded belief in the evolutionary nature of everything and your own natural contribution that process.

    My favorite description of the levels of development, as articulated in Clare Graves’ work, is found in “The Strategy of the Dolphin” by Paul Kordis and Dudley Lynch. While it’s hard to talk across the levels, this book is largely about working in environments where all levels of perception are active, and how to deal with that. It also makes the point that as individuals we are not “at” one level or another, but operating from different levels in different areas of our lives.

    Finally, a thought on the comment that all our perceptions come down to survival-level concerns. I don’t disagree with that. No matter how far you are down the path, if your first-chakra carpet is yanked out from under your feet by disease or deprivation or violence, the structure of personal evolution is going to be heavily taxed. Rapid processing of grief can restore a lot of that structure, but the truth is that our bodies come with the black-and-whiteness of life or death. Our evolution, in this lifetime at least, occurs in the context of survival time.

    I suspect the person who said that was trying to get a little left-brain grounding into the discussion. This is the same person who might say, this is all very nice but how does it put a roof over your head and feed your kids. Rhetorically a cheap shot, but only because it’s obvious. And because it begs an answer to a practical question you can only answer in developmental terms. The answer is yes, it’s easier, more joyous and more effective to live with broader awareness and less attachment. How and why? You’ll understand when you get here. In the meantime, take responsibility for yourself and your survival; live and learn.

    We are conscious in all the levels we have mastered. They all have their purposes in fully experiencing this life. Survival is the first.

  87. Vavi says :

    Hi Bill,

    Thank you for caring so much. I’ve never subscribed to any blogs before but the truly unbelievable technology you have developped, and your vibe, make it irresitible!

    All my best, Vavi.

  88. "T. J." Jones says :

    I guess I’m a hold out for magical thinking.
    So, could you accept this argument?

    I have (we all have) a next moment of now to experience.
    Every moment of now has content.
    What deternines the content of the next moment of now?
    ( This was my question of the decade to mull over for 1990 to 2000 )
    The answer I came up with is that the content of the next moment of now is determined by some previous moment (of now).
    If you can accept this idea as true enough to continue working with it,
    THEN IT NECESSARILY FOLLOWS THAT
    the content of this very current moment of now could be the creator of some future, yet to be experienced (content) moment of now.
    AHA! This has all the markings of a system, wouldn’t you say?
    This system ought to be defined on page one of the How-To instructions in the book of Life. ( I digress, but it is a strongly held opinion of mine)
    One thing I can say about control of this system is that it cannot be exercised from the past moment nor a future moment.
    So,
    “The Point of Power is in the Present”
    [Who remembers this phrase and are we dating ourselves if we do remember? : ) ]
    It remains now for us to decide whether thinking alone is adequate to the task of controlling the content of a moment. If it is, can we still call it magical thinking? What say you?

  89. Josh Neumann says :

    Bill,

    Thanks again for the great post. While I certainly don’t believe in magical thinking for getting what you want, and I firmly believe that action is required in most cases, I wanted to comment on what you said about paranormal abilities. I have just started holosync and this whole way of thinking as far as pre conventional, post conventional, etc, is relatively new to me, so forgive me if I sound a big ignorant.

    However, you stated that paranormal abilities and events can’t occur. Obviously, the Bible lists many examples of Jesus performing miracles, such as turning water into wine, walking on water, feeding the five thousand, etc. I might just be viewing this from one of the first two developmental levels, but these sure seem like miracles or paranormal abilities to me.

    How can you scientifically explain these events? I have personally been to Christian conferences and have seen people instantly healed of lifelong afflictions such as poor eyesight, breathing problems, etc.

    You mentioned in the post that events such as these always have a scientific reason, and that there is a different way that somebody in the higher two developmental levels would view these events; I would certainly be interested in this.

    Again, I want to emphasize that in most cases I don’t believe in magical thinking, such as manifesting money or other things we want. I realize that action is necessary.

    However, I would certainly be curious to know how to view miracles, because I have certainly seen them take place, and I can’t deny they happen. I (and I’m sure many others) would be very interested in a post about this. Thanks a lot.

  90. Peter Hoffman says :

    I just remembered: I knew I missed the last bus and I thought “I just want some nice guy to come and give me a ride home.” A man came up to me, chatted and said “Do you want a ride home?” and I said sure. He dropped me off and I never saw him again. Maybe the biggest coincidence of my life.

    Or…maybe it could be explained scientifically. Like u sed, particular wavelengths are picked up on, and there are coincidences involved in timings … how many times have I wanted a ride and didnt get one. But it could be he picked up on my wavelength, and it just happened to work out right…which could be called “magical” but also could have a scientific explanation to it.

    Maybe big personalities, like Alexander the Great, are simply magnetic and agree with others.

    It’s such a fine hair, splitting the line between magic and coincidence. Maybe magic is also faith.

    Anyways, it’s an interesting topic.

  91. Lorraine Schmaman says :

    Bill, how about a trip (with or without Genko) to Australia? If not, could you make the workshop available on-line? Pls let me know cost

    I live in country NSW (New South Wales), but would be happy to travel to Sydney or Melbourne to partake in your workshop
    What’s more, I have 6 good friends, with whom we meet weekly for self development and growth. Could you tell me whether a tele-conference is possible and price thereof? I appreciate your input

    Look forward to your comments, Sincerely, Lorraine

  92. Ashton says :

    Bill, I understand if you do not have the time to answer this question, but thought I might as well. I am very curious as to what your own personal goals and preferred outcomes are for your own personal growth and evolution. I have moved through and integrated so much in 3 levels of holosync,(complimented with other practices) that I can hardly imagine what it would be like to have gone through all the levels like yourself. Do you even have any emotional issues or psychich “junk” to work with? I hear you say with all the different programs you endorse that you have personally tried the practices, but do you really have anything to practice with? What is your goal from where you are at?

  93. Al Summerlin says :

    “Your Perspective is Your Reality” a little more concise and to the point even though the explanation presented is precise and the needed details of how this is accomplished or achieved is explained. A quote from “Do You Have An Owner’s Manual For Your Brain”.

    Prayer for the Eyes of the Soul

    Eyes of my Soul, look steadily at this new comrade of my journey.
    Survey him well, that we shall not mistake each other by judgments based upon dust or speech frames.
    Look patiently upon his lack of remembrance or even hostility.
    Turn upon him no repetition of his own mood, but instead greet him serenely, as if he had never been a day absent from this proper sphere.
    Let no gleam of reproach escape these orbs to injure the misguided pilgrim.
    Gaze as if to say, “Yours faithfully,” whatever shall come to pass.
    Remember what a long history lies behind a single exalted salute from the eyes of the soul.

    The joy at the meeting of the paths that we journey on is one of bliss.
    Of this I am most humbly grateful.

    Thanks Bill

  94. Liz says :

    As a practioner of the mind-body method, I appreciate your practical and candid approach to this seemingly “magical” concept.

  95. Anna Miranda says :

    Hi Bill,

    Thank you for your clarity, the wonderful posts and to all your responders. This is great and fascinating stuff! I am familiar with some of what you said and I agree.
    We certainly are all at different develomental levels and with the Holosync tool, we can move on up to the next level. David Hawkins book Power vs. Force is another interesting way of looking at developmental levels.
    I am anxious to learn and look forward to your next blog.
    Sincerely, Anna

  96. Lauren says :

    I appreciate all this talk about developmental stages, in part because it’s become clear to me that I have magical thinking in some areas of my life (not very highly functioning areas at that.) It’s actually a big releif to know that I am probably needing to move on to the next level and that there’s hope that someday I’ll find it less difficult to function well in these areas.

    Have you ever noticed that when you’re in a group of people who are very prerational, people who are big believers in ‘putting it out to the universe’, that one of their ways of dealing with your not seeing the emperors new clothes is to say that if you were as ‘evolved’ and as ‘special’ as they are, then you would see them. The fact that you don’t see the magic only proves there is something wrong with you. I spent years feeling ashamed that a lot of the hog wash these people were spewing just didn’t make sense to me. Now I think I see why.

    Also, does it seem like the middle, rational stage, is not all that highly regarded by either the pre or post rationalists? It seems like the dark worm hole we all have to pass through to get to the other side where we get that, while magic in the abra cadabra sense of the world doesn’t exhist, there are many wonderful mysteries out there that seem like magic but that we figure someday someone will create a better instrument with which to see what’s actually going on. Any how, I hope I don’t have to become a republican while I’m in the rational stage…Take it easy Lauren

  97. Thank you, Bill, for your untiring efforts to dispel readers’ misconceptions and for acting as a cushion between us & our growing pains.

    To my dear, fellow readers:
    I think what matters most about this blog is not necessarily to agree (or disagree) with everything that Bill (or any of us) says, but rather to find our own interpretation of the topics, apply what we believe is best for our lives, and BE OK WITH IT. The 9 Principles apply here as well!
    If we post comments coming from anger, it shows that we are not prepared to digest someone else’s point of view and also takes time away from the overall progress of the blog (and it makes Bill’s work harder!). If we don’t agree, a respectful comment is always taken the best way, and in case of doubt, perhaps we can look for information from other sources as well for “roundness”.

    It seems like most people are on a positive attitude, which is the whole point of being part of this. After all, this IS entitled the “blog that ATE mind chatter”. Let’s not let the mind chatter eat US!

    Thank you all for sharing!

    Peace and continuous growth,
    Carli.

  98. Dianne says :

    Thank you for this discussion and explanation of levels of development of consciousness. I would appreciate it if you could provide some guidelines or suggestions for how people at different levels of development can communicate effectively with each other. How does a post-conventional (or transcendant) employer communicate with a magical or conventional level employee, and vice versa? What about other relationships such as parent and grown child or spouse or friends?
    Thank you,
    Dianne

  99. Allan Moore says :

    For anyone using holosync who has not had a pyschic or paranormal experience and who doubts such a thing can exist, I suggest you research the phenonoma of the “Super Psychic Children”. These researched, tested and amazing Children, blow away all our conceptions of “normal” reality and categorically prove beyond doubt the existance of the paranormal and psychic powers etc. The Western reductionist materialistic paradigm is set to collapse and unless we in the West get on board we will cease to be World Super Powers. China has at least 30 fully verified “Super Psychics” that have the ability to circumvent our security of information. Of course this is where the rub is. The Western goverments are terrified of “alllowing” the existance of such abilities, because they fear losing their hold on power. What power have they, if we really know what they are up to? An age of honesty enters and they will be compelled to do what they have been voted in to do and paid to do. That is, act in our best interests. This goes way beyond governments though, it also hits at industry. For example the pharmaceutical industries won’t be able to sit on natural cures for chronic and deadly maladies without exposure. They do this all the time, and the FDA is in cahoots with them. You know that in the USA today, if you administer water to someone suffering from dehydration, you could be proscecuted for practicing medicine without a licence!

    We have nothing to fear from this blossoming of human consciousness however. We will simply enter an age of honesty, mutual benefaction and co-operation.

    Persons with reasonable levels of PSI abilities generally try to support their goverments and law enforcement agencies by helping solve crimes etc.

    Those of you who use Holosync regularly and haven’t had a paranormal or psychic experience are blocking such with your lack of belief in my opinion. It’s like building a car but never believing it will fire up and not trying to drive it!

    Those of us with even relatively low level of pyschic abilities and who have had multiple paranormal experiences are generally frustrated in talking to, explaining to, demonstrating to the blind ignorant apes who haven’t even to basic level of understanding of the way the universe works. That is the aforementioned reductionist materialists.

  100. Lynn Fabry says :

    Hi Bill, I am so glad you spoke of The Secret as you did. I ‘got’ the part about doing and others things that were barely mentioned in The Secret. However, one person I know, well into this journey in her consciuosness, did not hear them and was a sceptic because of it. My sister was very much of the magical thinking and angry when I tried to tell her what it said and what I felt it was missing, as she so wanted to believe in her magical thinking……..what I felt it was missing other than making bigger what it did not about ‘doing’ etc., was being non attached or at least less attached to outcome, and to be in gratitude in the present. The biggest problem for me was that it doesn’t address what Holosync address’. ….how to really change our inner way of experiencing and viewing our lives……..how to ‘wake up’!!!
    On another note,
    I loved Thresholds of the Mind…………..everything you mentioned, accept the ‘end’ result, the reason for doing it, i’ve known deeply, but not consistently.
    As a matter of fact, I knew to know these things and live in a certain consc.,to get out of a severe stress response, I disconnected from other aspects. Holosync is triggering old stuff and i’m much less the very separate observer than i had been as it is triggering an out of body anxiety, where i used to ‘live’.
    Some days are filled with many consc. in a brief period of time… varying degrees of disconnect, of not being in flow, then a day here and there, more flow than ever. i know it’s a fear response……I’m very excited about this…….i believe the brain, the hypothalmus will be greatly affected by holosync and i believe my bodies chronic flight, fear and stress response from early childhood got me as sick as i am with environmental illness….from the investigating i’ve done, ..I do not believe chemicals, for the most part cause this. i believe it is the response of the limbic system, particularly the hypothalmus to stress, etc.
    Thank you so much for all your hard work. I so appreciate your very grounded view and honesty. Sincerely, Lynn Fabry

  101. Andrée Lachance says :

    I have not read the previous controversy but this article is indeed most interesting, clear, helpful and makes so much sense.

  102. Spike says :

    Bill writes: “…are adults “better” than babies, and if so, should be throw them out?” Neither Ken, nor I, have ever said that someone at a higher level of development is “better,” and no one is saying that a child’s perspective is WRONG.”

    Ken Wilber goes to great lengths to convey that transcending to higher levels does not make one “better” than another, a point one WOULD have gotten with any reading of his numerous publications.

    This is a recurring issue throughout the ages. How often do we hear “having more money doesn’t make you better than me”? On the surface, this appears true. But consider this point. Ceteris peribus (latin for all else being equal), if two people are exactly the same, would you rather have more money or less money? Answered honestly (for one could donate all his monies to charity), one would of course rather have more money than less. If that means one would rather be the fellow with more money, than we must conclude that that person is better (off) – again, all else being equal.

    Secondly, something that is made up of a lower form (like a molecule vs. an atom) is of a higher nature. Wilber proposes that the higher levels of existance encompass the lower ones. Again, would you rather be at a level that incoporates all the others, or be at a level lower? To the extent that one would choose the former, one could say that being at higher levels is “better” than being at lower ones.

    None of this, however, is to say that being at any given state (be it richer or poorer, more enlightened or less enlightened” is to be judged as negative or unacceptable. Children progress from pure ego to mostly ego with time. The fact that they start with pure ego doesn’t make them any less valuable in a human sense, but one does hope that they mature with time….. Spike

  103. rachel says :

    Regarding yogananda and miracles, just because you have no evidence for something doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen, including dematerialising bodies and so on, to say that it doesn’t happen, because you haven’t seen it is a little naive – basically you are calling yogananda and various other saints liars, which i personally doubt

    once people thought the world was flat, no evidence, see of other ways of seeing, so to repeat, just because you don’t see ‘evidence’ does not mean it it not true, it is unlikely yogananda was lying, it is likely there are other ways of manipulating consciousness, that maybe highly evolved saints are capable of (not your normal run of the mill bloke it has to be said) could just mean you are at a lower level of consciousness than is possible to see that —–

    lol

    rachel

  104. Sherryl Stalinski says :

    I don’t get a chance to read the blog very often, but a large part of my own doctoral research focused on the correlation between individual consciousness and cultural evolution (there is a direct link between the development of consciousness in individuals and the development of culture (the “collective mind” if you will).
    I can’t paste the table here (or post chapters of my dissertation that would put most people to sleep ;-). but Ken Wilber, Jean Gebser, Allan Combs, Bela H. Banathy all presented arguments for this individual/cultural correlation of development. Wilber is marginalized by the academic world, but Combs & Banathy are highly respected scholars. Banathy’s argument is not only that there is a correlation of evolutionary development, since human evolution is cultural (cultural evolution superceded biological evolution during the cro-magnon period), we are able to guide and influence our own evolution, personally as individuals and collectively as cultures. Our future is in our own hands (or minds)

    Bill, I’d be happy to send you my research if you’re interested in learning about other researchers and theorists who have written on the subject.

  105. Michael Eisbrener says :

    I will be sure to spend more time here. I live for ‘rules’ to live by…

    “The Secret” most telling problem is the number of people who after viewing it disregard reality for their own brand of magical thinking.

    “Everyone sees whatever they are experiencing from whatever perspective they are at.”

    If you could walk in my shoes you would be me.

    The moment you ‘notice’ your ‘experience’ you lose it. (Being in the moment ain’t easy.)

    All upsets (problems, anger and every negative) are caused by your expectations.

    (Happiness is easy once you know you only have to change your own expectations…)

    The pursuit of happiness is a waste of time.

    Perspective, use it or lose it.

    Argue for your limitations and sure enough they are yours.

    If it ain’t broke, break it.

    The way to get what you want is want what you got.

    Whatever you resist persists.

    Security is a superstition.

    Success is an imposter.

    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away”.

    I live in paradise, somewhere outside of North America.

  106. Hugh Cole says :

    Great post Bill,
    To me, magical thinking has been at the root of most peoples interpretation of “The secret”. I have to admit that I dismissed the secet off hand as magical thinking when I first saw it. I was amazed however at the number of friends and clients that asked me about it. I appreciate your clarification of the mischaracterizations they used in your interviews. I sincerely appreciate the way you are taking the time to dissect this issue with your subscribers. I will refer people to this answer from now on as it is the most clear and cogent exposition of the problems with “the (over-hyped) Secret” I have seen. –Hugh

  107. diana lewis says :

    Bill, Your Holosync has changed my life because I have learned through Holosyncing (sp?) to be aware of my thoughts…yes, it was that simple. But I have also been a “magic thinker” not a doer. It is not an exaggeration for me to say that I have “put it out to God, the Universe and have received it without any action except sitting quietly and accepting that it has arrived…literally including money.One not uncommon example was the time I needed 6 thousand dollars in 3 days. I sat quietly for hours and finally got up to go to my appointment with my nutritionist. I casually asked her whether she knew of someone who would give me 6 thousand dollars and she told me to call a certain someone. Case in point: I did call, I got the money from this stranger, no strings attached. This a small story of the many, many Magical miracles. The bible says something like ‘ask anything of the Father, believe He has done it and it is yours, but first forgive thy brother as the father has forgiven you’ (which I believe means one must first have a pure heart). It does not say ask and go work your butt off. I still love your stuff but I could go on and on about my stories and my friends stories of magical thinking materializing without action but I still would not be as proficient at it if I did not Holosync.

  108. Tally says :

    So much sand, so many deserts to cross … be happy, be blessed that we have a friend like Bill to help us in our journeys … may we rise above, enjoy the life we have as we carve the life we want, leave the nits to pick themselves, and thank whatever entity it is we thank that we’re here to do it at all.

    The tea and cakes invite to Cambridge, UK, still stands any time, Bill :-).

    Love Tally x

  109. NW says :

    Hello Bill,

    Thank you many times over for your comitment, love and patience to all people and participants of Holosync and Centerpointe. Critics and avid followers alike.

    This may sound terribly unintellegent compared with others highly thought out comments but I feel saddened by the time that is wasted defending, istead of teaching.

    I think we have all heard of the expression “don’t put your all eggs in one basket.” Yet, so many are determined to argue their point of view or the person’s point of view they have attached themselves and “their” beliefs to. I feel that so many are missing the point entirely, instead of recieving the teachings that are meant for thier enlightenment, they are instead picking and proding, trying so desperately to disprove what they signed up for (to help better their lives) to begin with. When is it that the pupils became the teachers or teachers helpers?

    Isn’t balance and oneness, acceptance of all people, opinions and ways of thinking and interpreting? Should we not invest ourselves into and learn from all sources, not determining whether they seem right or wrong, if they help us to find and use the tools we need for our sucess.

    That is what we came to do, or just me?

    I loved The Secret and I love Holosync because they were created for the betterment of man/womenkind.

    It is painfully true, and a shame, that we really can not please all people, but please keep up the great work any how!

    Take care,
    NW

  110. Kristyna says :

    I enjoy writing sci-fi and fantasy for adolescents as my retirement hobby. Yet have never looked upon the concept of “magic” as real. To me it belongs to a world of creativity, is a form of parable, where the story can end well, be uplifting and fun to read. As with drawings of creatures and dragons, it is surreal, meant more for entertainment, a temporary escape, than as a substitute for rationality and the real world. Bill helps to put that real world into perspective.

    Having read, and seen the “Secret”, I did not identify with the concepts in it as some kind of affirmation that “magic” does exits in reality…I have fun with that idea. However, there are those out there who take every word in that book quite literally. Their gullibilty is based on desperation and lack of self-esteem, which is so so prevalent. But this can be changed by taking action, making an effort.

    Bill has respoded very well. And yes, as a former video and film editor, I can see how the deleted content of what he may have said while filming the “SECRET” ended in the deleted bin.

    Our society is plagued with an onslaught of information, some of which is of value and does enhance our lives, much of it is garbage and full of false promises and “the easy way ” which never ever works…… The harsh reality is that without making a conscious effort to enhance one’s abilities, potential for improvement, (enrolling in the Holosync program is part of what I am engaged in) one cannot expect to merely twitch one’s nose to make whatever one wants to happen appear. LOL

    I apologize for the length of my comments. Not familiar with Blogging, I had no idea that the volume of reading would be this large. My apology for making it even longer.

  111. Kristyna says :

    Appendage: The fact that we can hear our own thoughts and see our own dreams is a kind of “magic” also don’t you think? What science can disprove that….they have been able to prove that the brain thinks…but what it invents? Magic. I am smiling

  112. Allan Moore says :

    Hi Bill,

    You wrote “But let’s say for the sake of argument that there are paranormal abilities out there. Maybe there are, though it’s interesting that no such claims have ever passed the peer-review process (where a study showing such abilities is shown to be repeatable). There are plenty of people claiming that there are studies proving paranormal abilities, but none of them have been accepted by the general scientific community, because they have not been demonstrated to be repeatable (and, many of these studies are clearly ill-formed).”

    This is untrue. In the west such research is poorly published but it does exist. In Russia and China however it is very well researched. This constant denial in the West by the stupid, blind, ignorant, lying, cheating apes that pretend to be Scientists has to stop. You should look into this in more depth before you make such statements.

    The problem is the western consciousness is poorly developed, short sighted.

    All the arangements about levels of consciousness you make are nothing more that opinion arranged to fit an unprovable paradigm and can be easily challenged. For Example, “Magical Thinking” is given a very low rating in your missive but it actually comes full circle as you fully develope yourself and becomes “Magical Thinking” becomes transcendent mode of thinking. Whereas taking the view that Good/Evil are simply points of view is not trancendent at all. It is in fact the lowest form of thinking, it is infact insane and clearly so. It is a state of disconnectedness from others and the universe, where true empathy cannot be experienced. It is childish, silly and very very dangerous. It’s the sort of thinking, you would expect from a Hitler!

  113. Bosco says :

    Hi Bill,

    Thanks for everything.

    I finally found something I can disagree with you about. :-)

    First, the title; “Bill answers his critics”? I’m not sure everyone who doesn’t agree with you here is a ‘critic’. Probably only a tiny few would fit that description.

    Secondly, I get what you’re saying about a child having a magical understanding of the universe; and the need to develop an action based
    personal responsibility model for adulthood. Indeed I needed to hear that.
    Yet it is a fantastic leap of logic to go from there to the assumption that
    psychic phenomena that goes beyond the lab-repeatable, 5 senses, consensus reality paradigm, simply does not exist!

    Citing James Randi as some sort of bastion of open-minded scientific researcher startled me…Let alone taking the fact that he hasn’t seen fit to give away his challenge money, as evidence that psychic phenomena doesn’t exist.

    As you repeatedly state, we interpret and perceive data from our perspectives. If our perspectives don’t allow for the existence of something that we come across we find ways to explain it away; including saying
    it’s not repeatable to the point of being accepted in most mainstream “scientific” peer review forums, etc. (And even though there are plenty of scientists on the other side of the aisle, including many who have changed their views on such matters, they are passed off as, “out of the mainstream”…or even more regularly, simply ignored.

    By the way, Randi is a perfect example of explaining away all data which is beyond his paradigm. He is a sleight of hand illusionist. He can make it look like he is bending a spoon with mind power. If he sees someone bending a spoon with mind power, he assumes it’s sleight of hand and says, “I can do that. It’s just a parlor trick. You don’t get my money.”

    Bill, I’d love to know what your list entails of things that don’t exist. Reincarnation? Remote viewing? Communicating with people who have passed on? Parallel universes? Other worldly beings? Clairvoyance?
    Telepathy?

    Whatever your list includes, do you really think that it’s a lower stage of development most people are in who don’t share your list?

    Are you really implying that people who believe in such, are struggling, not making the money they want, not having the relationships they desire or the satisfaction they deserve from life and not as developed, satisfied, fulfilled in relationships, jobs and life, in general, as those of you who reject such notions?

    The primary flaw I see in your reasoning is bunching together the cognitive developmental stage of childlike thinking with various metaphysical / parapsychological fields of inquiry. And then you kind of do your own straw man argument stating that if these things exist, there are
    scientific explanations we’ve yet to grok which explain them, and hence, they are not “magical”.

    Yes, EXACTLY. (And I don’t think any of your “critics” are arguing for the term “magical”.)

    It’s been 20some years since I read SUPERNATURE by Biologist Lyle Watson (And I can only imagine the data that has since come out that would be in the book if he wrote it today) but it’s a great read for getting that the supernatural is indeed part of nature. And then there’s the work of Cleve (Baxter(?), I think) the former FBI polygraph expert who stunned us
    with the research gleamed by hooking up plants and then human cells to his polygraph equipment. The evidence of the reality of non-accepted
    “unscientific”, non-peer review accepted phenomena is overwhelming.
    Look at the work of Dr. Ian Stevenson on reincarnation — (among my favorite insights from him is how birth marks are death marks from a previous existence.)

    Surely Bill, everything doesn’t have to be either / or. For instance, your
    interpretation of the chemical reaction of the brain to the substances in Ayahuasca in no way has to invalidate the shamanistic perspective of the spirits of the plant world. Both could be valid and counterparts of each other.

    I’m guessing that you would look at the brain research that shows that the classic near death experience can be induced by physically, surgically probing certain areas of the brain, as evidence of NDE’s not being “real”.
    Whereas, the surgeon who has done more research in this field than anyone, Dr. Melvin Morse, sees that as the physical counterpart to the very real experience. He would say the brain connects to the world of spirit, but the world of spirit still exists when that connection is severed for good, (as in, death). And I don’t think his position on the subject is an indication that his stage of development is less than yours.

    (By the way, I’ll bet my life that James Randi would tout that brain probe / NDE phenomena as UNDENIABLE PROOF that NDE’s are imaginary and invalid. Furthermore, I think it’s a huge mistake to assume that Randi’s stage of development and yours are the same, merely because you guys don’t believe in certain metaphysical phenomena.)

    Bill, this area of disagreement with many of your students really doesn’t
    hold a candle to the importance of the work you do for us. And I, for one,
    am glad to realize you don’t know everything. It was getting downright
    spooky for me there for a while.

    :-)

    You’re Amazing!

    Bosco

  114. SIA says :

    Dear Mr. Bill,
    You seem VERY emotionally attached to your views which is a little bit disappointing. Makes me think twice about buying Holosync. The fact of the matter is that the great book says,”WHATSOEVER ye desire when you pray, BELIEVE that you receive AND YE shall receive”. Either this is true or false. It doesn’t say “Whatsoever ye desire, if you WORK HARD for it and if it is reasonable…if it’s not crazy like thinking you can cure yourself of cancer without medicine…thinking you can find an ideal mate based purely on affirming it [i.e. not “getting out there” going to clubs, etc., etc]…it says WHATSOEVER”.

    By your own admission, a belief is not “good” or “bad” in and of itself, it’s a question of whether or not a belief serves you. You may call what the secret teaches as “magical” thinking and while it may not work for you, as it has been proven, the job of the mind is to negate any and everything that opposes one’s subconscious beliefs (as well as those things for which we don’t have the neuro conditioning for).

    John Assaraf cured himself of a condition that required 25 pills a day with “magical” thinking, I’ve personally manifested things that eluded me via physical efforts (i.e. “working hard” for it the conventional way) by nothing more than making mind mind accept something as true despite the fact that I had no 5 sensory evidence to support it – individuals with your beliefs may call this a “coincidence” but I’m sorry, this great universe is too orderly for me to ever believe in “coincidence” – by the way, do you know what the work “coincidence” really means??

    I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that allowing oneself to have a mental attitude of total assurance despite the fact that the only “evidence” I had was spiritual truth. In other words, I allowed myself to adopt a belief based on more than 5 sensory evidence (once I realized how much our senses can deceive us…but our inner knowing won’t).

    In your blog, you contend that “you” have no evidence of what the Secret purports as being true and hence you don’t believe it. Well, let’s think about what a belief is:

    A belief = Information + Experience * Repetition.

    There are 6.5 billion people on the planet. There are billions of books and other information sources. Please accept the fact that with 6.5 billion people on the planet (each one having had experiences of a varying degree….millions I am sure have had consistent results with “magical thinking)…with that, plus countless studies of their experiences and perhaps even scientific work done that you aren’t aware of…..The fact of the matter is that you seem to be basing your belief only on that which your mental processing of information accepts as true. Have considered using your own Holosync material to program a belief in “magical thinking” then seeing what results materialize in your life. I would imagine, like every human being, you too have some learning and growing to do.

    Please, please accept the fact that just because YOU haven’t experienced something and YOU haven’t read about it doesn’t mean it’s not true or real. Please accept that fact that many of the great bibles of the world do teach that the belief is what creates the fact, and they don’t assign ANY contingencies to this.

    It’s so hard for human being to believe in the UNLIMITED potential of the mind, I believe you are doing individuals a great dis-service by trying to tell people to “come down to earth”. Some 500 years ago, it was magical thinking to believe that something without wings could fly. After all, there was no study, no physical evidence, no information present by way of the 5 senses that would lead any sane person to believe that something (let alone man) without wings could fly.

    Yet those who adopted “magical thinking” allowed themselves to believe something based on “evidence” arrived outside of what the 5 senses could gather or interpret. And, the rest was history.

    The fact of the matter is that thought can and does affect physical matter on the plank scale. I’d probably still be doubting this myself but for seeing my brother do it right in front of my eyes. If pure intent can bend metal, it can do other things to physical things and conditions.

    I think as human beings we are so wedded to the notion that we have to “work hard” for something to get it. That belief is nothing but a thought in the collective unconscious that we all need to get rid of.

    Anyone who doesn’t understand that the Law of Attraction affects both ourselves as well as physical matter, is really missing the point of it all. Though energy is REAL! Nicola Tesla realized this, Jesus the Christ realized this and many others did and do realized this. You say you are open to finding out more, but are you really?

    I actually am proud of many of the Secret teachers who risked getting called “quacks” for coming out and telling the public what many if not most of the great people in history stumbled upon but chose not to tell other people about for fear of being call crazy.

    I do believe in dematerialization too. The great book says “ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE IF YOU BELIEVE” either this is true all false. Can I do it? No. But that’s just because of the deeply established beliefs in my mind. If the beliefs change, they can happen.

    I’m disappointed that you seem to be trying to limit what people believe in.

    If you were being consistent with your contentions what you would do is ask those people who believe in “magical thinking” whether or not this belief served them well. If it did (and considering that it flies in the face of what the collective unconscious and standard modern beliefs contend)….you should instruct them to impress that notion upon their subconscious mind and upon doing so, see what results materialize in their lives based on their new beliefs.

    I wish people would stop emphasizing the role of physical work when it comes to “getting what you want”. As Neville Goddard once said “more wrong has come to this Earth by way of wrong thinking than ever did come by wrong doing”. If we getting the thinking part “right” the physical part will at least be effortless and and most will be a Labor of love.

    If we humans spent as much time working on our minds and brains as we do “working hard” we would be so much further along. Yes there is “hard” work but that’s largely the case because for so long we have been programmed to believe that anything worth getting is hard to achieve.

    These comments may not get published, but I hope they do. I hope whoever reads this and has “magical thinking” realizes that a Law is timeless and changes and that just because YOU may not believe something doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

    Happy Journeying,
    SIA

  115. Jessie says :

    Jessie

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  116. tj says :

    Hi Bill,

    I love to hear other perspectives / ideologies about Manifesting. While I agree, there are many ways that things manifest for us (i like your wanting lemonade reference), I also know, from personal experience, I’ve drawn to me, resources, that I didn’t know existed — seemingly ‘magically’.

    I believe, by my studies in the sciences, that energy is a very tangible and real thing, that can be measured – though not always seen. If we put out as it were, positive, grateful, loving energy, we draw people, and experiences that give us the opportunity to receive more of these things. Now, if we want to actually GET these things, we need to get off our duff and ‘act’. However, I’ve drawn many opportunities, by simply putting out my desires, and allowing the opportunity to come to me, however that way may be. In each instance, I’ve at that point, had to do something to complete the manifesting cycle, or attain the tangible thing I want — but I’ve never really had to do anything to manifest the OPPORTUNITY.

    I do find your thoughts, and explanations very interesting however. I personally believe there is a balance between the ‘magical’ aspect, and the physical aspect, of manifesting. And let us not forget, being appreciative of what you do have, always lends strong energy to keeping attracting those things.

  117. David says :

    http://www.uncommon-knowledge.co.uk/articles/superstition-kills.html

    The above is a cool article about how magical thinking in the form of superstition causes magical believers trouble. I think you might find it interesting Bill and everyone reading this.

    Warm regards,
    Dave :O)

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