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Making sense of who you are…

by / Wednesday, 05 March 2008 / Published in Uncategorized

I promised that we would next look at the developmental levels beyond those described by Piaget. In doing so, I’m going to rely heavily on the work of Susanne Cook-Greuter, who studied under Harvard’s Robert Kegan, one of the superstars in the world of human development. At Harvard, she became involved with the most highly regarded testing instrument for determining stages of human development, Jane Loevinger’s sentence completion test, and became a certified scorer for the test.

In the Loevinger test a person completes 36 sentence fragments, and from the responses the person’s developmental level is ascertained. This test has been used since the 1950s, and has been found to be VERY accurate. A huge amount of data has been compiled over the last 50 or so years, and the test is the most highly respected instrument in the field.

In scoring the test Cook-Greuter (who, by the way, I know personally, and have studied with) began to notice responses that did not fit any of the stages identified by Loevinger (though these stages in many ways mirror Piaget’s levels, Loevinger was focusing on the development of one’s sense of self rather than on merely cognitive development). Eventually, after a great deal of research, Cook-Greuter compiled enough data to add two additional levels to Loevinger’s model and is now considered to be one of the world’s top experts in human development, and THE expert in the higher developmental stages.

Before discussing the postconventional stages, though, I want to give you a quick “cook’s tour” of the Loevinger levels corresponding to those we’ve already looked at. This will serve as a quick review, and will also highlight the fact that there is more to development than just the cognitive line.

Though there are many naming conventions, the general developmental categories I described in previous posts might best be described as archaic (or sensorimotor in Piaget’s terminology), preconventional or magic (Piaget’s preoperational), conventional or mythic (Piaget’s concrete operational), and rational or modern (Piaget’s formal operational). There are also various names for the levels that come after these. The next couple of levels are variously described as postmodern, postconventional, postrational, or postformal (and by a few other names). After that we have unitive or transcendent stages.

Yes, I know. The names can be confusing. I would suggest thinking of them, in general, as archaic (essentially, babies and people who are completely dependent), preconventional (those who don’t yet understand the laws of cause and effect and the general “ways of the world”–children), followed by conventional, postconventional, and unitive.

In the Loevinger/Cook-Greuter developmental levels the archaic/sensorimotor level is called Symbiotic, because the infant is in a symbiotic relationship with the mother. After that, there are two preconventional stages, Impulsive and Opportunistic. Then, there are three conventional stages, Diplomat, Expert, and Achiever, with Achiever corresponding to Piaget’s formal operational level.

Then, there are the postconventional stages (which I will describe in a post I’ll make in a few days): Individualist and Strategist, followed by two Unitive (or transcendent) stages, Magician and Unitive. Cook-Greuter acknowledges that eventually Unitive may be subdivided into more stages, but there are so few people who score at Magician or Unitive that there isn’t enough data (yet) to do so.

Let’s quickly summarize the preconventional and conventional levels according to the Loveinger/Cook-Grueter scale, and then in my next post, which I plan on delivering to you within a few days, I’ll discuss the postconventional stages. Then, finally, in one last post about development, I’ll describe the unitive levels.

The early Symbiotic stage is one where the infant constructs a stable world of objects, cognitively separating himself from the world. This stage is pre-egoic and pre-verbal. The child essentially has no perspective and is an undifferentiated self. The main accomplishment of this stage is the separation of self from the world–the ability to know what is “me” and what is “not me.”

In the next stage, Impulsive, one begins to use language, and begins to experience a first-person perspective, reflected in statements such as “I want” and “mine.” The main concern of this stage is impulse gratification. This stage is one of magical thinking, with a sense of power curbed only by punishment (which is seen as random or retaliatory and unrelated to behavior). Other people are simply a source of need gratification: good ones give, mean ones don’t. At this stage the child learns to recognize simple dichotomies.

The next preconventional stage is called Opportunistic, a stage I characterized as narcissistic in previous posts. The Opportunist has an “I win, you lose” mentality. Though he knows that others have a perspective, he doesn’t have the ability to take that perspective. The Opportunist sees the world only in terms of his own needs or wants, and is quite willing to control or manipulate others to get what he wants.

Adult Opportunists are often self-protective in order to maintain their fragile self, which is centered around their own will, ideas, and wishes. They have a beginning awareness of others as separate people or objects, but use that awareness only to understand what others are after so they can better manipulate them in order to get what they want.

Opportunists try to avoid trouble but since their awareness is limited to their own needs and desires they often get into trouble by crossing boundaries. They then blame others for the consequences. Rules are followed only to gain immediate advantage or avoid punishment. Any sense of self respect result comes from achieving control over situations or people. Actions are bad only if one is caught (getting caught is bad, not the action itself). Opportunists do not understand the relationship between actions and consequences, which is one reason why they blame other for consequences they have created. This inability to understand cause and effect also leads them to believe in luck and magic. Often grandiosely fearless (another symptom on not understanding cause and effect), they sometimes choose dangerous and demanding jobs that represent the daring side of this stage.

As you would imagine, Opportunist relationships are volatile. Their feelings (especially negative feelings) are projected onto others. Opportunists have little insight into themselves and are almost entirely unable to reflect upon their own emotions. Negative feelings are always the fault of others.

Opportunists can come from one of two basic approaches: they can be aggressive in going after what they want and trying to dominate others, or they can be self-protective, fearing that others will dominate, control, or deceive them. Often what looks like aggression or attempts to dominate is also a form of self-protection.

The next stage (the first conventional stage) is the Diplomat. Most people have reached this stage by age 12, though some adults remain at the Opportunist stage. The three conventional stages (Diplomat, Expert, and Achiever) make up about 80% of people in Western countries.

In terms of Piaget’s stages, Diplomats correspond to concrete operational thinking–they use a growing knowledge of cause and effect to deal with daily events and tasks. Experts add the ability to think in abstract terms, and Achievers use formal operational thinking, the highest level of rational thought. Achiever is seen as the adult stage in most of Western culture. (See my previous posts about Piaget for more information about cognitive development.)

In healthy development, Diplomat is the stage of early adolescence, though many people remain in this stage throughout life. A Diplomat’s sense of self is defined by his role in his group, and he sees the world in terms of in-group and out-group. Instead of “me against the world” (the view of the Opportunist) his point of view is “our group against others” or “our group is better than other groups.”

Diplomats are comformists. They want to be liked, so they do their best to develop a pleasing personality, to be well-groomed, to be pleasant, to avoid the negative. They divide the world into simple categories and types of people. They accept rules, roles, and norms without questioning them. They live based on rules and “shoulds,” and identify with those who share their tastes and perspectives. The Diplomat does not yet have a true self in the sense of having a individual and separate adult identity. Instead, his self is defined by others. Self/other boundaries are blurry, and relationships are of the I-need-you variety.

The next stage is the Expert. Experts are still tied to the group, but are able to step back and look at themselves–a rudimentary type of self-relection (what is called a third-person perspective). This new and wider perspective gives them a certain distance from the group. They are still tied to the group, but see themselves as more distinct, even special. They see more individual differences, whereas the Diplomat looks for sameness. Seeing differences and alternatives, Experts are good at offering many solutions for every problem. They are, however, still unable to prioritize these solutions, something that will come at the next stage.

Again because they are able to see differences, Experts have a beginning ability to notice the distinct traits and patterns of the behavior in others, and in themselves. Needs and wants, suppressed at the Diplomat stage as a way of fitting in, begin to be expressed. Experts want to be accepted for how they are different from other group members, for their specialness, rather than for conforming. They often feel that they “have it all figured out.” They know the right way, what to believe, how to do things, and have a strong sense of the way things should be. They frequently cite “experts” to back their opinions, and in conversation often respond to others with, “Yes, but…”

While Diplomats repress aggression in order to get along, Experts are willing to express aggressive feelings, through a hostile sense of humor, through ridicule, and through defensiveness. They enjoy oppositional battles and live in a world where things are sure and clear and they feel entitled to impose their views on others.

Experts often become engineers, technocrats, bureaucrats, and some types of professionals. Experts run many of the complex but conventional everyday affairs of modern society.

The last conventional stage is the Achiever. The Achiever is a formal operational thinker. He is able to prioritize, see possibilities, look into the future, plan, and think through a course of action before acting–rather than just acting in a random manner, as in the previous stages (again, for more information, see previous posts). Achievers represent the target stage for Western culture, the rationally competent and independent adult. Where the Expert had a third-person perspective (he could stand back and observe himself and his interactions with others), the Achiever adds an additional ability to observe his past and future selves and his past and future interactions with others.

Achievers are more comfortable in diverse groups and situations than are Diplomats and Experts. They can be a part of diverse groups with different ideals, goals, and points of view without feeling torn between them or confused about who they are. They also have a greatly expanded ability for introspection, and have a much greater understanding of and insight into their own feelings, motives, personal dreams, and goals. In fact, self-analysis is a favorite passtime.

Achievers believe in the scientific method and rationality, and that this form of thought can improve the world. Achievers are busy helping to make the world a better place for everyone (another example of an expanded perspective–Diplomats and Experts are mostly concerned with themselves and their group). Having a longer and broader view, they can handle a longer delay between action and results, realizing that some of what they do might not bear fruit until well into the future.

Achievers are interested in getting things done, and may feel driven to accomplish something in the world. They are often entrepreneurs. They have strong convictions, and an idealistic enthusiasm. They convince others with rational arguments and evidence rather than by putting them down, as do Experts. They love theories, and the hypothetical. They are skeptical searchers for the truth, and trust that it eventually can be found.

This review brings us to the postconventional stages, which I will address in the next post, in a few days. Let’s step back for a moment and look at the big picture. At the preconventional and conventional stages we’re concerned with gaining more and more knowledge about how to operate effectively in the world. Progress is defined by noticing increasingly more pieces of the puzzle; discovering patterns, rules, and laws that govern how things work; learning to better predict, measure, and explain the world; seeing and taking into account an increasingly larger time span; and, in general, being able to know and do more and be more in charge of one’s life.

At these preconventional and conventional stages (which together include over 90% of people in Western nations) we are for the most part socially programmed, we use conventional linear thinking, and seek increased differentiation–in other words, we create an increasingly solid individual and independent sense of self.

When (or if) we enter the postconventional stages, we begin to move away from increased differentiation and toward greater integration. We more and more see how things go together and how we are connected to others rather than individually distinct, and begin to deal with the world from this perspective, and move away from the individualistic perpspective we’ve been developing so far. Our sense of self becomes more about connection than agency. And, we begin to recognize and question the fundamental assumptions of the previous stages–even including the reality of our sense of being a separate self.

At the postconventional and unitive stages we increasingly see the world as a giant, dynamic, interconnected system rather than a random assortment of individual units and events. We began our life embedded in the world in a completely undifferentiated way, unable to tell the difference between me and not-me. From that point, we have gradually differentiated into an independent and separate self. Now, as we move into the postconventional stages and beyond, we move the other way, toward seeing and experiencing what many describe as an ultimate “oneness with everything.”

In a few days, I’ll post the next installment, where we will investigate what happens in the postconventional stages.

Be well.

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65 Responses to “Making sense of who you are…”

  1. Jim says :

    Very clear description, Bill. Putting this is such simple terms has really helped me understand it, and use the info practically to gauge where I’m at developmentally, and what the possibilities are in the future.

    Am eager to read about the postconventional stages.

  2. YJ says :

    Perhaps this is an indication of my own personal developmental level but I am not convinced with the “I am the world” or “I am one with everything” concept.

    I do agree we are all part of a giant, dynamic, inteconnectd system because I can see this in my day to day life. This system itself, I believe, could in turn be part of another system currently unknown to us.

    However I do not go for the ‘oneness’ with everything concept … inteconnectedness yes but not the I am the world and the world is me concept.

    My life one of continually learning from the data I receive from the experiences I encounter every second. What I have found is that others around me and others who have long since died knew things about life that I am only just know coming to realise.

    If I was one with everything them why am I not an automatic recipeint of such collective wisdom? How is it that we are not all recipients of this previously acquired wisdom from the billions of people have gone before who have learned so much from life and how to survive it?

    It seems rather sadomasochistic for the ‘oneness’ to make parts of itself, which is itself, to be denied this collective wisdom and to suffer for the lack of it regardless of how good or deserving we are.

    I do not see there is anyhing wrong to acknowledging our separateness from each other and from everything and the unique value each of us provides to the system and to each other.

    We are unique from everything else because of what has lead up to our being born and what is our lives now. Through us living out our separate lives we are providing information to others who directly and indirectly interact with us or are impacted by the consequences of the actions we take in our separate lives. From this data we receive from the separate lives around us we learn wisdom. This makes each separate person, each separate thing so absolutely valuable because it is separate. From my point of view there is enormous value and purpose in the separateness that we are from the people who display the most appauling behaviour to those who are regarded as saints. Each single separate person has provide information to the lives of others to help them learn. We are where we are today because of all the separate lives that have gone before us … in that context we are all intrinsically interconnected and yet we are still separate.

    You could compare a human being living on planet earth in the solar system, in the milky way galaxy, in the local group of galaxies in the universe to a red blood cell that lives its life within the system of a human body.

    This single blood cell, even though it may be similar to other red blood cells, is nevertheless separate from all other red blood cells that exist and function in that human body. It is also separate from the red blood cells in the bodies of all other humans and animals.

    This blood cell has its own life cycle, it is created and dies in its own time, it moves to different parts of the body and does it’s thing according to the law of cause and effect. In it’s time and space there is only it and the components that make it up. Yes ithe blood cell is intricately connected to the human body, it works in conjuction with, influences and is influenced by other cells within the human body and yet it is still separate, still unique.

    Consequently, I do not understand the concept that because of this inter-relatedness and function of ‘unit’ in a ‘system’, that it can now be said the unit is the system. It may be found that the unit is in itself a system but a different system from which it functions in as a unit. The red cell is made up of different components and so it could be said that the cell is a system in itself but I cannot see how you could say that the red blood cell system is the human body system. Similarly with the human being.

    The only way I can see that this argument would work is if everything could be broken down to one single, elemental common denominator from which all things spring. Even then you could only say that the variety of systems that are can exist due to the various combinations of this common denominator are made up of the common denominator. The common denominator is not the system otherwise it could be broken down further. Do you get what I am saying? Hope I am not too confusing in my expression.

    Anyway these are just some thoughts I had as a result of reading your blog.

    I love reading your stuff Bill … it raises some fascinating concepts. Thank you so much for being so free with your views and the things you have learned from your studies and from your own life. I for one am most grateful.

    Cheers

  3. Chris says :

    Hi YJ,

    Consider that God, being the One Conscious Light that he is, got bored one day and decided it would be fun to split himself up into trillions and trillions and trillions of seperate selves and watch in amusement as they struggled to find their way back home again. And when they finally did, to do it all over again. Not only that, but to also do it for the rest of all time ;)

    Chris

  4. YJ says :

    Yeh Chris I have thought of that alot over the last 20 years or so. The concept reminds me of the plight of the “God Emperor” in Frank Herbert’s Dune novels. What does an entity do if it is everywhere, knows everything and can do everything. Even spliting yourself up and watching the struggle and aspirations and achievements of all the bits and pieces over and over again would become really boring … there would never be anything new.

    This is really a sadomasochistic concept. I do not see how anyone gets inspired by it. If you are depressed or suicidal this concept would just make things it worse for the individual concerned. I cannot see how it would help anyone to psychologically survive the ups and downs and roundabouts that is Life. But I guess that is where I am in the scheme of things.

    Personally if this was the reality, then I would tell the God, the One Conscious Light or whatever “IT” calls itself to jam it. But them I suppose “IT” has heard that before so it would hardly register on the richter scale of “ITs” fulfilment. Maybe “IT’s” main purpose in life is the achieve maximum boredness.

    cheers
    YJ

  5. Chris says :

    To YJ

    One way someone could be inspired by it would be to realise the humour of the situation:

    This being (me) is a manifestation of God, or the Divine or whatever you call ‘IT’ which is absolute perfection.

    This being is suffering because it feels seperate from the rest of the universe (especially other people) and is essentially at war with it by trying to control it for self interest (to get more pleasure, to feel more loved, to create more stability and safety etc) in the hope of one day being completely free or to live in perfect love.

    All this to keep God from getting bored. Even if you wake up and realise it’s all a game you soon go back to the old way of being pretty quick. And rightly so. If you didn’t, God wouldn’t be having fun anymore :)

    Pleasure exists to give people something to pursue. Pain exists to stop people staying there too long!

    Keep using Holosync and you will increasingly live more in humour and realise God in more and more moments. Thats my experience anyway.

    As well as Bill’s LPIP’s second course, I’ve found the work of David Deida to be particulary good at articulating enlightenment or whatever you want to call it.

    Who knows, maybe in the next cycle of the universe, after it has become whole and gets bored again, you will come back as frog. Then you wont ever have to worry about being depressed ;)

    Chris

  6. Trisha Henry says :

    Smile? How could “IT” ever get bored, with all of us going at it “hammer and tongs,” constantly keeping “IT” amused?
    It is a great description Bill, thank you for simplifying a long winded subject so nicely.
    Seriously tho YJ, I basically agree with both concepts, and do not find them to be contradictory. If the original “IT’ness” split into many parts, we would then each be a part of that whole, or Oneness. However, as Individual parts, we would not necessarily ‘know” everything that the other parts knew, and would experience a degree of ‘separateness’. Just as our kidney cells do not necessarily know what our heart cells know, etc. but they are still parts of the whole… ‘As above so below’ concept.
    I have to agree with you in part tho’, that those who think that because they are Part of “It” think they are therefore ALL of ‘it,” must be in error… Until such time as “they/we” are able to join/connect with the other units in such a way as to be fully conscious of our “ONENESS” at which point we Would have access to all the knowledge”… N’est pas?
    Just some thoughts, I Love the discussion. Trisha

  7. Chris P. says :

    There is a huge leap (which I haven’t yet made) between an intellectual understanding of interconnectedness and consistently experiencing it. It’s sort of like the first time I drove a car—I read the manual, understood what I had to do and it seemed easy. When it came time to try to apply that knowledge, well, it took quite awhile to become easy to do.

    My point is this: the more we learn along our paths, using tools like Holosync, the more we experience glimpses of the infinite oneness. Slowly, we integrate that feeling more and more into our daily lives.

    So, I agree with YJ — if it were merely we intellectually know we are one with everything, it would be extremely boring, because it would be static. But, when we feel and experience that oneness, it is anything BUT static. Yes, the oneness has peace, but it also contains a great deal of joyous energy as well.

    There really aren’t any words that can ever describe it, since words are finite representations of something beyond themselves. Even the word “infinity” isn’t the same thing as what it represents.

  8. Dear Bill
    Thank You for the streams of information on stages and their dynamics, I am a student of everything integral and your writings are very helpful.

    What a mess I must confess, I find myself in. What a sight, what a fright we delight in.
    Bring on the awakening, love is everywhere.

    Bless.
    Harmony

  9. George Basham says :

    Did not understand this Bill and how it can help me to get what I want, but it’s your lack of clarity and not my cognitive skills that are the issue I’m sure. Also, I must add that I believe I’m at an advanced stage that is best termed “post postconventional”.

  10. Daisy Lee says :

    Thank you for emailing me this posting. It is very informative and helpful. I look forward to hearing the next stages. Thanks again.

  11. Vanessa says :

    I am currently reading Eckhart Tolle’s book “A New Earth -Awakening to Your Life’s Purpose ” I think it very eloquently explains the “oneness” that Chris is speaking of. Tolle writes about the ego-based state of conciousness that almost all humans possess, and how it is vital that people become aware of how it rules their lives and the world today. I have definitely found it enlightening. Anyone out there who gets the chance should give it try. . .

  12. Garryharper says :

    g,day thanks im, doing the 1,st stage of your holosync c d program i think is working slowley!!!!!!! question?does a desease like diabetes effect the stages of thought and the brain with this stages of developement? looking forward to the next level especialy with the new sound amazing stuff thanks from garry in oz

  13. Sharon says :

    Science has an explanation for Oneness. At the time of the Big Bang, the Universe was contracted to about the size of a pea. A very hot, very intense sphere of energy that held all that is and ever will be. Then came the Big Bang and the sphere began to expand. Every molecule, every atom contained in that sphere is still All that Is. Everything in the Universe that exists today emanates from that one ‘seed’. Like a flower blossoming into its stems and leaves and petals, we are each a part of it; life on Earth, life in other realms, the Earth itself, all the other stars. We cannot go outside of its energy, but we can continue to expand its consciousness. Now THAT’S not boring!

    Then again science is ultimately subjective and can, for all it tries to prove otherwise, only really hypothesize. And nor is THAT boring!

  14. Alemenia Mclean says :

    Dear Bill.
    As alway I love the information on your blogs, andd i am feeling eiendated with information. The more i get the more I want. I think I have been all the personalities at one pointe or another through out my life. I have shifted many times also. I have just been journaling and I consistantly see (because of Holosync) , Thing and memories I thought were lost to me forever, or did not remember them at all until the fog was lifted. My memorie can be the devil and an angel sometimes almost at the same time. For many years I thought I had pretty much sidestepped most of the drama and craziness, My first memor of desire was a yellow rose that belonged to someone else, it was in a syurp bottle.(the old black woman with a red scarf on her head) Aunt J I cant spell that name. I wanted it more than anything so after class I hid the vase and the rose under my blouse, my mom was waiting for me at the bus stop. She took the vase and rose from me set them on the ground and preceeded to beat the hell out of me in front of all my school mates, then she put me under the bed. Even today I think it was worth it, for even just a little while I had somthing beautiful. It has taken me many shifts and hard knocks to see that I am as beautiful as the Rose and the vase. About two years later I say that same syurp bottle in the trash can. I didn’t even think to take it out of the trash. The second time around it did not feel the same to me, but I still do not regrett the things that happend as a result of it,. That was my first awarness of beauty and I look terrible in yellow and Brown. to this day. I could go on forever about that and the saying my mamo use to use God will strike you. I will leave that story for later. That helped me to see there is no right or wrong it just is. May you continue to enhance the lives of others for eternity. as my grandbaby says infinity. Your loving shift. Alemenia

  15. Carl says :

    Bill,
    I wonder how we can move people along from one level to the next.
    It’s good to be in a place, where you know that your connected to everything.
    Carl

  16. TW says :

    When I witness myself, I seem to be fixed in Oppotunistic stage. I tend to go after immediate pleasureale consequences, although I know these attachments are not useful in the long run. I know Achiever’s strategy are useful, but for some unknown reasons I can’t apply it to myself. I guess some unknown emotional drivers have kept me evolving into next stage.

    What is happening in this kind of fixation?
    How can I evolve into next stage and further more easily?

  17. Frank says :

    Hi to all , the god concept can be quite tricky and we can really only go of the insights that we each have but l thought ld just like to add an insight l had many years ago before l began the holosynic program, l had many insights at the begining of my path but regarding god , l was lieing in my bed and l felt my self being conected to some thing expansive , l found my self in this expancive area with out limits, its there l began to understand that l was inside god , not only that but that l was god and that l had allways exsited , the only way l can describe it is if god had tenticals coming from its self and we are at the end of each tentical seperate but conected at the same time, l am glad that l had had that insight as it has helped me over time,

    l wouldnt as a rule make a post that is open to discussion as somtimes l feel its best to just do the work in quite but what the hell, l think it takes alife time to become a good student, be open Regards Frank

  18. marion says :

    Great Chris,
    I think your right, it is a game and our purpose is to have fun at what we do. I agree in this interconnectedness and I too believe our origin and the origin of everything in our universe is one. We as humans practice duality but both concepts make up a whole.
    Meditation and self reflection will lead you directly to this one source and you will discover this concept with unshakable faith.
    Peace to all, Marion.

  19. Cindy says :

    Hi YJ,

    Excellent post. Maybe it is telling where we are, but I don’t know that I even want to be all ‘one’. I mean sure it would be nice not to have any fears or doubts,…or would it? Not everything in my life works the way I’d like it to, but isn’t that part of the point? Or maybe there isn’t a point but it’s what makes life interesting each day. I don’t know because of course I can’t sense that feeling of ‘oneness’.

    If I recall correctly we incorporate each level into the next so it seems natural that I see something of myself in many of the levels (except the diplomate, conforming to be accepted seems too bizarre and always has). I see myself (and my job) in the expert category, but I see a lot of myself in the achiever and I think that must be around where I am, but maybe I will recognize little bits of the next phases too. I’ve been waiting for those descriptions for what seems like forever. Funny that I don’t even want to be at the highest stages, I am valuing my uniqueness and don’t want to give it up. (Okay, I’m definitely not at one of the unitive stages.)

    I’m a tired little engineer and bureaucrat tonight, maybe tomorrow I’ll feel more at one with the rest of the world.

  20. Kylie says :

    Thanks Bill, great post. Read it with much ineterest and can relate to it well. Look forward to the next post on this topic.

    Kylie

  21. Kaye/Switzerland says :

    Hi Bill and everyone,

    I am very fascinated by you and Genpo Roshi. Are we the lucky ones who speak english! Are there possibilities to partake in a Big Mind if one does not speak english? I can imagine those of other languages have already asked this question, and that I have possibly missed it. My daughter, who’s mother-tongue is german, and I, would so much like to attend a Big Mind session. We’ll wait patiently for this opportunity. Thanking you.

  22. Junito says :

    Well now we know why he’s so defensive about NOT believing in magical thinking… that is the belief system of the … narcissist was it? Ah, yes, thou dost protest.

  23. Junito says :

    and lemme guess … because HE WORKED WITH AND IS ASSOCIATED WITH HER, he has more information than any of us would be able to learn without his gracious help. He will (happen to have learned … to his great astonishment, of course) he is one of the rare postconventionals.

  24. uniquesoul says :

    Thank you so much. Bill, for breaking down the complexities of the Piaget, Cook-Greuter, etc models of human development. Although I have graduate degrees in science, I find your explanations hard to remember overall. It would help a lot if, in the end, you could summarize the main points in a table format so that we can apply your important messages. I am sure the goals of your blogs are very practical, ie make us understand where we are in life and how to move forward. The terms that you use tend to be hard for me to remember as a novice to the field. Your efforts in helping all of us are highly appreciated.

  25. dave says :

    hi bill,

    thanks for the post looking forward to the follow up

    much love,
    dave.

  26. Nicholas says :

    Well, as I understand it in quantum terms you can see an infinitely small “event” as a particle or as a wave. Two ways of seeing the same thing, one in terms of separate “self” and the other in terms of “oneness”. Your motive for looking will determine which you see. And as for “God” getting bored, – if he/she is all of us, then everything we find fascinating he/she finds (temporarily) fascinating too. In my life I can move from feeling bored to excited to optimistic to worried to inspired in the space of an hour or two. It all depends on where I am coming from, and how much I can keep in mind the extent to which I am the creator of all that.

    Nicholas

  27. Daisy Lee says :

    Hi again. Very thought provoking comments. My brother used to say – “I am an island. Completely separated from every other human” He was very sad and lonely inside. So I told him about the island that I could see. Although the island’s land is in essence looking out at the world across the vast ocean and sees itself as being alone and individual, in fact if the island merely remembers to feel its feet way down under the water and to look at the world from that perspective, the island will see that it is completely connected and supported by the rest of the world. To me, Oneness is a “feeling-experience” to be added to the individual experiences that also make up our lives. It seems to me there is a reason for the ability to have and know this experience. With this experience also comes a huge feeling of Bliss and Love For All. These “feelings” are spread like a ripple through the rest of the world because of the interconnectedness. We (humanity) seem to focus on the ‘terrible’ things humans do. That is just a focus point. What if instead, our focus was on the “oneness” What do you think would happen if that much “Great Love’ were sent rippling through the world, would do for the world? And what if many of us were experiencing it simultaneously? It would have an effect you know to shift the focus of those ‘negatives’ (other people’s perspectives or focus). Anyhow, To achieve a state (feeling-experience) of oneness is extraordinary, yes. However, practically, while living in this world, we also need to stay on point as individuals, where our daily lives also contribute. To be within the experience of oneness is not to deny individuality. It’s to add it as an upgrade to the sum of our (selfs) and ultimately add to the beneficence of the world. This is my opinion. Daisy Lee

  28. Lisa K says :

    Hi,
    I am a handwriting analyst that utilizes my expertise in helping bring awareness to the unconscious maps of reality that a person has constructed. With your wonderful posts on developmental stages I realize how beneficial it is to also use someone’s “brain-writing” to ascertain, not only how integrated a person is, but to also ascertain at what stage they are operating from. (have you ever known a highly evolved person that writes like copybook still??? – ) I am going to put together worksheet on handwriting indicators for the different stages of development!! I look forward to your future posts on the topic.
    Lisa

  29. Ianne Lavigne says :

    Thanks Bill for your wonderful teachings. I can’t wait for your next installment

    Sincerely,

    Ianne

  30. Kathy says :

    Bill,
    Very interesting article. But, consider that Piaget doesn’t hold up in relational paradigms. John Holt did an interesting experiment which he describes in “Learning all the Time” p. 103. Children can do formal reasoning below their supposed developmental stage if objects are de-abstracted through creating a relational context. When children invoke play they create meaning that allows reasoning beyond Piagetian strategies. It is interesting to me that your endpoint of development is not individualistic but your starting point is. But are we ever atomized distinct units from each other mentally or energetically? I think this model is like Newtonian physics, in that it only explains a limited slice of the world.

  31. Malcolm says :

    I am in there somewhere. I am enjoying the explanation for our whole development.

    However Bill, how about a chart of all of the levels with each teacher’s different name for the various levels. With each paragraph you give us a new topic name and it is quite confusing.

  32. Melanie says :

    Hi Bill,

    One question or thought that came up for me whilst reading your blog was; Is it possible to be in one or more of the stages of development at one time especially the conventional stages? I can see myself especially in 2 and 3 and it seems to change and I can be triggered by some event for example into an earlier stage! Does this make sense to you? Do we develop into each “higher” stage and leave the last one behind or integrate it into the next level?

    Thanks!

    Melanie

  33. dave says :

    hey bill,

    I’m wondering… (maybe i should call the support line) …what does the gamma compassion CD and shadow material… what ROLE or possible Ramifications for the future (and effect on development) do / does they have in your estimation…

    ,Dave.

  34. cat says :

    chris and yj,
    Had to laugh after reading your posts because i think your argument is confirmation that “god” is more female than male!!!!!
    Isnt she wonderful! Who else could get “bored” and shake it up a bit!

  35. Lisa L E says :

    Yes, Chris, YJ, and Bill, I feel connected to what you are saying. I took the time to read your shared thoughts. The connection is what it is whatever it is. But may I question why are there some who seem to effect more people and change more in our world than others? What is it that thrusts them into the center of action and causes them to revolutionize the consciousness of their generation? I’m referring to the Gandhi’s, Martin Luther King’s, Mother Theresa’s, etc. of our world.
    Together Separately

  36. becki says :

    using holosync seems to have affected my awareness of oneness or interconnectedness. sometimes, and to some extent, I seem to be able to see through others eyes and find myself thinking I could just as easily have been this other person… playing their part, experiencing their life. this helps me be more accepting of others and more loving too

  37. Erin says :

    Fun Info Bill.
    I see aspects of myself still left behind in the so called “Achievers” mode. I look forward to your post-conventional / unitive post.
    I think Bill’s confidence sounds like ego junk to people caught up in their own ego junk.
    I was thrilled to hear Bill speak of the upcoming Magician stage. I was losing interest in the posts with all of the negative comments about so called “magical thinkers” and New Age vs. left brained science types. I found that entirely boring.
    Finally it sounds like we’ll be coming full circle to the Creator stage, Magician stage. If accurately explained I would think these stages will move us beyond the male/female bantering and judgments of people on different paths – my own judgments and limitations included.
    Abraham has good messages about the Creator stage, it’ll be interesting if after all the interesting academic science leads us back to the fact (according to me) that we REALLY DO create our own reality. ALL of it, no exceptions.
    No argument to this accepted because I was abused as a child blah blah and a bunch of other life junk and I’ve still come to this experience of interconnectedness.

    Hmmm.
    I look forward to the next post!

  38. Daniel says :

    I’ve been reading through the comments to date and find it interesting that some of the underlying assumptions seem to be creating a lot of comments and confusion about the unity level of consciousness. One of the more troubling group of assumptions we’ve called “concepts of time” and have assumed that these constructs apply to the unity principle ( God as a good example ). If we remove our assumptions of time existing ( advanced physics shows that time is merely our derived concept not a base atom of existence ) when we discuss the subject of universal unity then many of the troubling incongruities fall away. The sadomasochistic viewpoint of god making differentiated parts go through pain and disunity many times falls away without time. The cruelty of being disconnected from the past experiences ( or future ones for that matter ) falls away without time. We all know that the only time that truly exists is now. The future is in or imagination the past is in our concept of memory. The question of being able to exist in more than one level at a time depends upon our assumptions of time. I think that, from the unity perspective, we see that, yes, we exist at all of the levels in the only point of time that exists: now. So far, for me, the only practical use of this unity of time principal has been in my personal development. It helps to see the cracks in the seemingly monolithic seemingly constant construct of time. I’ve found that as the time assumptions break down it allows me to access my internal garbage in unique and nonlinear ways that can be much more efficient.
    Daniel

  39. Vanessa says :

    From what I’m presently reading in Eckhart Tolle’s book (and past reading with Holosync and other resources), I (currently) have grown to believe that every body is born with its own intelligence. The intelligence in your body does things for you like digest your food, circulate your blood. . .and think. I believe that this is the reason for the constant flow of thoughts. The human body comes complete with its own mind, the ego. This is what usually does all the thinking for you. It’s what gets in your way, causing unhappiness, anger and jealousy, competitiveness, etc. It is a seperate entity from your soul, which is God/energy/whatever you want to call it. However everyone thinks they need to believe that voice in their head -their ego – which says “I’m not good enough,” “not pretty enough,” “not smart enough,” or maybe “I’m better than that person” etc. etc. And why do people even believe all that? It is that voice in your head that you need to rid yourself of during traditional meditation. Once you get rid of that voice (even when you’re not meditating), you can sense the “oneness.” At least I do. And I feel that just knowing this has heightened my experience with Holosync too. I feel more of a “connectedness” to the universe, especially when I meditatate. I’ve discovered that living in the present moment is so important. I always used to want to be somewhere else in the future. (sometimes I still do – but I’m working on that. . .) My ego told me that where I was in my life “wasn’t good enough.” or “I should be making more money like someone else” etc. etc. I was so engrossed in my attachment to my ego (and what it was telling me I was or wasn’t) that I always spent my time listening to it instead of ignoring its guilt trips and enjoying life presently, especially with my family. Holosync and this book have definitely enhanced my life and I couldn’t be more grateful. . .

  40. john dupuy says :

    Thanks Bill for the excellent summation of Suzanne Cook-Grueter’s work. I look forward to your next installments. The post conventional gets really interesting. Adding the vertical developmental dimension to what ever our work is revolutionary and evolutionary. It’s is like Ken Wilber said going from being a square to being a cube, a whole new dimensionality is revealed. Holosync is such an extraordinary evolutionary tool. It would be very interesting and extremely useful to track Holosync users through two to three years of practice and growth and see what the data reveals.
    john dupuy

  41. Jeff Harrison says :

    Thanks Bill for sharing another perspective.
    Thanks everyone here for sharing other perspectives.
    It’s all happening somewhere all the time.
    I am, I am not. You are, you are not. We are, we are not.
    I’m just trying to learn to love it more and more.
    Sat, Chit, Ananda.
    Love and Peace,
    Jeff

  42. Aisjah says :

    Hi. I am really enjoying all the Blogs and explanations of developmental levels Bill, and look forward to the other Blogs you will be creating. The comments on the Expert level was very interesting as it explains the types of hostile humor that is used to belittle others and put them in their place.
    By using Holosync and becoming more aware of my thoughts and feelings and emotional reactions, somehow a really nice sense of humor is starting to emerge in me spontaneously, especially if I have a good match with someone else who has the same sense of humor as I do. When I’m in the flow of conversation, spontaneously funny things get said. I’m also noticing that I increasingly don’t enjoy the feeling of sarcasm or hostile types of humor as inherently they are not inclusive. Humor is universal and is an expression of human energic oneness with each other. A wonderful, joyful unity comes about through humor. If using Holosync increases our sense inner joy and humor, (by focusing on what we do want) perhaps that in itself helps to lift us to another level of development.

  43. trine moore says :

    Hi Bill, youve pulled a blinder again,with the succinct description the cook greuter models.Nicholas refers to two ways of seeing:separate self and one ness,and maybe theres more>>Becki says Holosynch has affected herl ,interesting how affections effect seeing too. Talking of which,i was look seeing searching on the internet,and came across Holigral.com. Wonder what the connection,affectively.

  44. KB says :

    Thanks to Bill and YJ and Daniel for helping me see something here—the question for me with unity consciousness is something like, “where does ignorance come from, if we know all this?”. If it’s true we simply forget, then it does feel sadomasochistic—I do get that, YJ. The idea of God-as-bored just doesn’t connect with the level of suffering caused by ignorance, and the repetitive nature of it—if anything, I’d think God would be even more bored by all that we do from ignorance, if not deeply saddened. I have to think it does have to do with time (and space) as Daniel is saying—the way we think, what we are still not seeing. In my own experience, I saw something at my painfully dying mother’s bedside—going beyond any full presence I had previously experienced, I could feel the limits of time and space and be in some way beyond them at the same time. I felt myself transformed—maybe to something I’d known before, but it seemed more like a new exploration. It has not left me, and keeps evolving. I wonder if this life has to do with the transformation of matter in some way (our own bodies)—that is what we are all participating in, and that is why we have to create it anew each time, each incarnation, each apparent time and space. Back to the pre/trans idea, but I’m seeing something about it more clearly as I write this. I would be the last person to say I understand it, though.

  45. Connie says :

    This was a very good summary of what we all don’t know about ourselves. I found out through my own thinking that we are all part of the universal god-mind and that some of us can tap into it easier than others can. All it takes is to focus on keeping your mind clear this is all part of the first stages of holosync. If you read any of Bill’s letters this is all in it. I took a course years ago in Silva Mind control it had everything to do with how one controls their thoughts and nothing to do with reading another persons mind even though sometimes I can. I think that my ability comes from something that I was born with. The high achievers are the ones who see their future before everyone else does and become famous for it. They do so because they are so focused earlier in their lives and nothing else matters to them. Unlike the rest of us we allow too much garbage to control our thoughts and not realizing that letting go of it our true sense of what we are to become.

  46. Rita says :

    Hello there,
    I was just wondering how to take the test, so I can find out what stage my personal development is at. I do not wish to flatter myself and would like scientific proof to satisfy my curiosity. However I feel I am moving forward with Holosync. I have already turned my life around for the better.
    Thank you Bill for providing such a wonderful product!
    This is living!
    Rita

  47. nir says :

    This is brilliant. Looking forward to the next installment.

  48. Antonio says :

    Some times I am and some times I am not.. Is this fragmented consciousness of levels and stages the cure to integrate the separate entity into Oneness?

    “I think therefore… I am the creator of my delusion”

    Antonio

  49. Kat says :

    Hi Bill,

    Another wonderful message, thank you! I can see myself through the stages. Ah yes, I was doing that in my early 20’s and so on. I also find your informaiton useful when dealing with other people. I recognize certain traits such as strong group mentality and I know that no matter what kind of reasoning I may use, it will never get through unless I’m agreeing with the “group”. So I don’t bother to try. Saves me a lot of time, effort, and frustration.

    And since I’ve discovered that I no longer need to be right or need to be part of the group to feel validated, I feel so much freedom. I can just be me and not take everything so darn seriously! I’m here to have a good time! If you want to come… well lets go! If you don’t… I’ll see you next time around, no big deal. To see the stages of development and to know that all that STUFF was perfectly normal and we all go through it, has changed my life. I’m not alone out there, we are all in this together.

    It is interesting to read everyones comments. Some I don’t understand and some I can’t believe. I do find the topic of the ego interesting. I remember reading something by you Bill, in regards to the ego, but I’ve read so many article by you that I’m not sure where it was. I do remember it being a different point of view though. I think the current New Age rage is to denounce your ego. I’m not so sure about that. I try to remind myself that dogma is dogma even if it’s New Age dogma. I’d love to hear something on the ego and maybe it’s roll in human development. I think those two topic would go together well.

    Looking forward to your next posting!

    Kat

  50. Santiago says :

    Hi Bill, thanks for another wonderful post. Can’t wait to read about the next levels !

    Lots and lots of love.

    Santiago

  51. christie says :

    Thank you Bill. What you offered here I find very helpful not only for myself but for my clients counselees as well. I have more time to ponder on this this coming holy week. I look forward to your future updates.

  52. J. says :

    A very enlightening post. In the past year, I believe I have moved from Diplomat to Expert. I’ll write a little bit about my experience, if anyone cares to read on.

    I was working as a paramedic- long hours, stress and a lot of unnecessary rules. Increasingly, I found I was asking myself, “why are we doing this task?” I began to look at my co-workers as if they were “worker bees,” i.e.: they did what they were told unquestioningly and whether it was the right thing to do or not. It was a rather stressful time for me as I had always done my ‘duty’ regardless of my personal beliefs, but now I felt that this was the wrong thing to do as I was denying being myself. I had feelings that I was ‘betraying’ my co-workers and the job by questioning authority, and yet felt that I was doing the right thing by following my beliefs.

    I have since left EMS, and have returned to college to study psychology. Having studied for a degree before being a paramedic, I now find that I am a lot more open to inquiry, can work with abstract thoughts easier, and that my creative problem solving skills have increased considerably. I was a mediocre, disinterested student the first time round, but I am now mentally stimulated and intensely interested.

    I want to thank 2 people for this change – the first is Paul Scheele, whose PhotoReading retreat last August started me on the personal development path and also is helping me speed through my expansive course reading list. Well worth the money, but my advice would be to do the seminar or retreat as I personally found the home learning course difficult to complete on my own without the support of others.

    The second person is Bill Harris, whose Holosync and online courses have helped me readjust easily to my new surroundings and has allowed me to nurture and develop my spirit, rather than keep it shut in a Pandora’s box, afraid that my world will tumble down if I look inside. In one previous post (or perhaps it was the Holosync reading material), Bill refers to your feelings of security increasing as Holosync use increases. I didnt understand what he meant at the time, but I do now. You begin to accept and be happy with what you are, rather than trying to validate what other people think you are.

    I’m on Awakening Level 1 in case anyone is interested, and am excited by the prospect of 11 more levels, considering the incredible change Ive experienced up to now!

  53. Terry says :

    This is a bit too much jargon for me thought we were attempting to move pass rigid classification of people places and things. How will knowin g this stuff help us move forward in our evolution. I’m turned off by jargon and technicle terminologies in excess. However in reading the descriptions, I feel as if each one describes a part of me including the the achievment stage.

    would love to invest in your product which I guess would move me forward to whatever stage I’m supposed to be at. But thus far I haven’t been able to fit it in my budget opting for less expensive tools that seem to be working for me. One day soon I trust!

  54. Lyn Garrett says :

    In regards to the preconventional levels of the Loveinger/Cook-Grueter scale, I have a family member who is obviously stuck in the Opportunistic Stage and she drives us all nuts. Any suggestions on how to help this person. We all just tend to avoid her…..Thanks!

  55. Lila says :

    I have read all the posts, and thought I would add some of the things I have learned along the years of my life=These “experiences” happened without being sought, unless you can call wanting to KNOW the depths of life and living, and perhaps how it all “works”…Knowing from late teens that I chose LIFE, when at a juncture between life & death, I felt that the meaning of life was to discover what was inside you that you are, and then to live the Truth of yourself out into the world, and seek that Truth when experiencing with others, friends, coworkers, significan Others, and exercise your talents as you found them, and in your “work” as honestly as you possibly could, and to continue this life experiment for the rest of your life…

    Throughout the years, I have had what I call “Realizations” where, especially if something bothered me, or in a state especially in a Nature environment, suddenly I would have a “mind picture” & an instant understanding of what was being presented to me that seemed to pull aside the “veil” of the manifested material world and show me a substrata of another dimension of “reality” that lies underneath the apparent…I felt very grateful that these experiences continued off & on for years…

    I continued to study, work, and relate with chosen others, and since I worked in a research medical environment for years was involved in many life/death scenarios, where persons of all ages underwent life changes psychologically & physically, and learned how magnificent many persons are at their core…I began to write prose poetry that seemed to write itself, and this continued for many years & actually became a Diary of sorts, which delineated a Becoming of myself, which is personal yet has aspects of the universal in it=since we all are growing in understanding…

    To come more to the point of this Oneness alot of us have been speaking of and questioning, This is the point of this response=All of my experiences have come at intervals over years=I did not “remain” in the state of my “Realizations”–>these “passed” but left a residue of what I had learned during them…I also passed from “talking” to God about everything, to seeing that the same God was behind all Religion’s cultural trappings, then to come to see that all Good that happened on earth came through people only…in my effort to understand this condition of life, as I saw it, along with what I had learned through these Realizations, G.O.D. seemed to metamorph into a Universal Consciousness, which is the underlying source of all life & manifestation, and of each of us…

    In the last few years, I have had several experiences in which I seemed to be drawn out of my Self, yet remained connected with Earth & all living things on it, while feeling that “I” had been here before the creation of this planet, and would be here after all was gone, and a very powerful LOVE poured out from me or through me for our earth and every living thing upon it, exceedingly strong LOVE that was surprising that it erupted so fast & encompassed ALL of creation…I also have had the experience more than once of feeling One Being residing under the different sexes, features, skin tones, etc. so One with all that I would not have been able to “live” my life in that condition–>fortunately, I find that these Realizations & experiences are limited in “time”, yet the KNOWING that comes from them remains…

    All this leads me to understand that “built in” to us, at the bottom of our Core Self, our manifested BEing, we are unlimited in what we can learn to be, accomplish, manifest while we live–>that we arise and have our BEing within this Universal Consciousness–>that the more I delve into developing my individual talents, the more I live & share & understand why we are here in life…and the further understanding “comes” to me with all its gifts…I know that these experiences come to all who want to know and ask the questions of themselves & others & of life itself, and comes so uniquely to each of us, whatever we are made up of, and whatever we hold in common with others that makes us whole within ourselves and allows us to feel this Oneness with ALL, and to function to the utmost at the same time…

    Nothing is lost but whatever holds us back, and Everything is gained…I rejoice in observing others who can “take off” from their solid base of uniqueness & self-understanding and find the joy of their own creativity & passion in living and sharing themselves with all they come upon…I am finally going to finish getting together my book: Diary of a Human Soul Singing to Itself=the first fruit of my exploration here on Earth…with more to come to fruition as I continue to live…

    I love reading this Blog and even more I enjoy the comments other readers make. This is the first time I have ever contributed to any public blog, but something drew me to give this response. I am now realizing that this is probably too long, and if so, I give permission to shorten it if you want to accept this.

    Love, Lila

  56. Gina says :

    Recently I took the Keirsey Temperment Sorter test and found myself classified as an Idealist of the Counselor type. Thinking back I can see that, even in early childhood, I read, thought, listened and questioned more than other children.

    Instinctivly I knew that most of my questions would not be welcomed by adults so I learned to wait patiently for the answers.

    What I learned over time is that sometimes the answers don’t come or are beyond my current understanding. Waiting until all is understood can mean getting stuck so sometimes the next step needs to be built on faith.

    If you trust your mentor (and why would s/he be your mentor otherwise?) then you take the next step without fully understanding how it is
    constructed. After the step has been taken you may look back on it from a different viewpoint and see that it’s really simple after all.

    I wonder Bill, about temperment and cognitive development. It seems to me that with my sort of temperment it must have been easier for me to develop than it is for others with different temperments.

    Finding and taking this test has helped me to understand why many very intelligent people seem to get stuck at a certain level of cognitive development.

    Love your Blog.
    Gina

  57. Theresa says :

    Bill ~

    Thank you for giving me insight regarding the developmental levels of humans. I found the information easy to understand and very interesting to read. I look forward to more of your “words of wisdom” in the future.

  58. steve says :

    is is not the diversity of all the above thoughts that show we are each inderviduals yet, in oneness in a world of duality.

  59. Ivan says :

    Very interesting Bill, thanks. Been using holosync for years -great benefits in indescribable ways. Hope this isn’t too “off-topic” -I’ve been wondering lately if as I develop (hopefully including thru these stages) I am also moving toward the centre of each of the four Meyers-Briggs scales, i.e. toward perfect balance in each (where, ironically, I would be no longer classifiable by them). Has anyone you know of researched this?
    I also echo the earlier respondent in asking how one can access the Loevinger sentence completion test, preferably with Cook-Greuter’s refinements?
    Love, Ivan

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  61. Justin says :

    Another great blog. I’am so thankful for finding Centerpointe and excited to take the journey of self development. I find all your information and insight about life a breath of fresh air. Thank you,Peace

  62. Cameron says :

    off topic, but is Centerpoint doing any research on isochronic tones? I’ve read that they are more effective than binaural beats for alpha/theta ranges, but fall short on delta ranges. I am on the prologue right now, and this may help me decide if I continue the program. I’m a student and it’s a great expense.

    FROM BILL: It’s a gimmic. Isochronic tones are monaural beats, like a drum beat or a ticking clock. It is possible to entrain SOME brain wave patterns, though it takes a lot longer, using this method, just as people can get into a trance through drumming. Robert Monroe and other early pioneers in this field ABANDONED this approach when they realized that binaural beats (of which Holosync is derived) work a lot better. Plus, they allow us (by changing the carrier frequency) to create progressively more powerful deeper levels, which cannot be done with isochronic tones (despite what these people might say).

    The bigger problem is that there are a number of tiny little companies out there making entrainment-type soundtracks and trying to start their business by framing their product in relation to Holosync, which they do by outright lying about Centerpointe in their marketing. The people using Isochronics are among these people. Quite frankly, if it wasn’t that they are so small and inconsequential that it doesn’t matter, and if I didn’t have a zillion more important things to do, I would sue them for disparaging us (don’t think I won’t, though, if it becomes necessary). I’m all for someone creating a company and selling a good product, but not by lying about their own product, and Certainly not by lying about ours.

    Isochronic tones will probaby have SOME effect on you, though monaural beats are pretty primitive. They will not do what Holosync does by any strestch of the imagination.

  63. Louise Cabral says :

    But doesn’t the relative truth exist only within the consciousness? And isn’t it the consciousness that contains the perception of our own singular interpretation of what is? Whether we see ourselves as a separate “me” or as part of the whole depends upon where we are in the spin of our individual evolution. Don’t we carry within us, the potential of being every element that can be considered characteristic of human nature while we focus upon certain aspects of it? Doesn’t the infant have to learn selfishness before he can learn kindness? Didn’t we have to create God in order to create ourselves and didn’t we have to create ourselves imperfectly before we can hope to find perfection? How can we know happiness if we have not first experienced what it is to be unhappy? How can we find completeness if we don’t realize how incomplete we are?

    FROM BILL: On the “idea” level I can agree with most of what you have said. I want to point out, though, that all of this is your idea about reality. Any idea you have about it isn’t it. Genpo Roshi asked me once, with great fanfare, to describe in a couple of minutes my understanding of “how it all is.” I thought about it for a few minutes and framed a very Zen-sounding answer about everything being one interconnected whole, blah blah blah. In a theoretical sense what I said was “correct”–it was the same sort of thing said by many Zen masters and other enlightened beings. Then Genpo said, “Okay, now doubt that.” He was making the point that everything I said was an idea about reality, nothing more. Awakening comes from doubting ALL ideas, all concepts, all beliefs. Though these things are useful, on another level they’re all bullshit. It’s so easy to get lost in our ideas about the world, which makes us miss the actual world. In fact, as long as we are swimming in our ideas, as great as those ideas might be, we miss the reality the ideas are supposed to represent.

  64. sally katzenstein says :

    so many interesting “takes”- I would like to add another- There is a wonderful new book “Soul Communication: opening Spiritual Channels for Success and Fulfillment” by Dr. Zhi Gang Sha which guides and inspires one to do just that- quite a step above (but not apart) from our many comments/concerns. It is, quite simply, a primer on how to communicate soul to soul with all animate- and inanimate- things. Quite extraordinary, to say the least!
    PS the book has met with widespread approval of Amazon customers- it’s #1 on its bestseller list!

    FROM BILL: I known Master Sha–he is a chi gong master who lives in San Francisco.

  65. Donna King says :

    Thank you Mr. Harris! I ran across your work while perusing Itunes podcasts.

    Friday, as I was driving to school, (I teach Human Development at a community college) I stumbled across your Piaget pieces. I was planning to speak with the students about adolescent cognition and Piaget’s last stage. Wow! My lecture was so enhanced by your wisdom.

    I have found the transcripts of the podcast here and will print to study your perspective further.

    Thank you so much. I am enriched!

    Donna King

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