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Everything is relative…right?

by / Monday, 10 March 2008 / Published in Uncategorized

Well, it sure looks that way if you’re at one of the postconventional developmental levels, those beyond the rational, conventional levels. In this post we’ll look at the first of those levels, the Individualist. I’m going to make this post fairly short by just describing this one level. And, at the end I have a recommendation for you–one that doesn’t cost anything!

In my opinion, these postconventional levels are where it REALLY DOES get interesting.

(NOTE: Several people have asked me how they can take Susanne Cook-Greuter’s sentence completion test–the most sophisticated and accurate test in the developmental field–in order to find out where you score. If you’re interested in taking this test, go to www.cook-greuter.com and click on the “SCTi assessment” link at the top of the page.)

I mentioned in my last post that in moving through the preconventional and conventional stages–those we’ve looked at so far–our goal is to gain more knowledge about how we can effectively operate in the world. During these stages we define progress as noticing more pieces of the puzzle; discovering how things work; learning more about how to predict, measure, and explain the world; seeing and taking into account increasingly larger spans of time; and, in general, being more in charge of our lives.

These stages are about increased differentiation–in other words, the creation of an increasingly solid sense of self who can effectively operate and succeed in the world.

In the postconventional stages, something new begins to happen. Differentiation is no longer the end-game. Instead, we begin to move toward greater integration. While the previous stages were more about turning outward to master the world, the postconventional stages (and the unitive stages that follow) are more about turning inward. One’s perspective begins to shift to a greater recognition of how things go together, and how we’re connected to others rather than being individually distinct.

This doesn’t mean that we lose our sense of individual agency (in fact, the first postconventional level is called the Individualist), but we do move away from an emphasis on the individualistic perspective we’ve been developing up to this point, and begin to balance it with a recognition of how things are connected and interrelated. And, finally, we begin to recognize and question many of the fundamental assumptions of the previous stages.

At the postconventional and unitive stages we increasingly see the world as one big, dynamic, interconnected system rather than a random assortment of individual things and events. We began our life embedded in the world in a completely undifferentiated way, unable to tell the difference between me and not-me. From that point, we’ve gradually differentiated into an independent and separate self. Now, as we move into the postconventional stages and beyond, we move more toward seeing and experiencing what many describe as an ultimate “oneness with everything.”

One huge difference in the postconventional stages is a new recognition that nothing is fixed, and that everything exists in relation to everything else. From one spot, things looks like this, from another spot they look like that. Everything is dependent upon context and relationship.

In this post, I want to discuss the stage Susanne Cook-Greuter refers to as the Individualist (also called the Pluralist). The Achiever, the previous stage, was able to take a third person perspective, watching himself as he interacted with the world. The Individualist can take a 4th person perspective–one in which he can actually observe himself observing himself interacting with the world–in other words, watch himself trying to make sense of the world.

Seeing that nothing is fixed, the Individualist deeply questions the rules, social conventions, and assumptions that seemed solid and objectively true at the Achiever stage. Now, it becomes obvious that everything is an interpretation, and which interpretation you choose depends upon where you look from. In one culture certain things seem true, while in another other things are true. Total objectivity is impossible. What conventional society sees as “right” is just one point of view, and from another perspective, things look different. Even within a given culture, each person has their own perspective, their own experience.

Rationality no longer seems to be the pinnacle of human achievement, or the best and only way to solve problems or navigate through life. Intuition and awareness of one’s body now become additional sources of information. This heightened self-knowledge allows for more empathy with others. At this stage there is more emphasis on being, and less on doing and thinking.

For the Individualist, one’s sense of self becomes, well…very individual. Distrusting conventional wisdom, the Individualist must find his or her own way, and this way of being comes from one’s own experience, one’s own search–rather from what one’s group says, or what society says. There is a new sense of freedom from previous constraints. Everything is open and possible. Imagination and playfulness reemerge. At the same time, the Individualist feels an incredible responsibility since they now must figure out who they are by relying solely upon their own internal resources and point of view. At this level you have to “find yourself.”

In seeing how everthing is relative to everything else and that no view is fixed and certain, there is a new ability to just “wait and see how things unfold,” and to appreciate and allow the contradictions and paradoxes of life to be as they are. Life no longer need to be as predictable and certain, and there is less need for quick closure.

On the other hand, the new relativistic view can be taken too far. Some Individualists throw the baby out with the bathwater, rejecting all rationality, all rules, and all conventionality in favor of one’s own, unique experience and point of view. This can lead to rejection of a lot of useful and time-tested information and wisdom.

In the extreme, an Individualist’s way of deciding what is right or wrong can lead to living almost without any principles whatsoever. Over-focus on one’s relativistic uniqueness can make connecting with others more difficult rather than easier. The shifting sands of relativity can also make “finding oneself” seem more difficult, or almost impossible. And, keeping one’s options open can lead to no decision where one is necessary.

Individualists have a systems view of the world, made possible by their ability to stand back and observe from many perspectives, and even to stand outside and watch their own perspective and actions. This allows the Individualist to challenge the assumptions and frameworks underlying his own thinking, as well as those of society. There is a growing realization that the context, structure, or process involved in a situation can reveal more, in some cases, than the content. The new insight that the interpretation of anything depends on the position of the observer leads to the idea that the observer is more than just an observer–he is a participant who influences what he observes. You may recognize this as a key idea of quantum physics, or at least a key idea of pop writers about quantum physics.

The ability to see multiple perspectives is one reason why purely rational, linear thought loses its appeal at this stage, and is replaced by a more holistic, organic approach where intuition, feelings, and context are taken into account. Process becomes as interesting–or even more interesting–than outcome. Logic is increasingly recognized as linear, while the world is multidimensional–and therefore ungraspable by merely linear and logical methods.

From this new perspective there is an appreciation that truth can ultimately never be found. Since everything is relative and context-dependent, there’s really nowhere a person can permanently stand. Individualists come to actually enjoy the paradoxes of life, rather than trying to pin things down to a certain “truth.”

The Individualist no longer needs to prove something before living by it. The futility of meaning-making becomes more obvious, given that all meanings are now seen as dependent upon the position one takes. The Achiever’s need to analyze everything gives way to a willingness to trust and enjoy the subjective moment. There is a new sense of a mind/body connection, and a greater reliance on “bodily wisdom.”

Individualists accord so much respect to the views of others that gatherings of Individualists often consist of each person having their say, with all viewpoints seen as equally valid. This often leads to a consensus governanace style–a lot of talk with few real decisions made and few actions taken (though participants do feel heard and acknowledged).

Where the Achiever was focused on causality (by looking into the past) and goals (by looking into the future), the Individualist is more fascinated with now, the present. This focus on now is one reason why the Individualist is so interested in process and context rather than outcomes. Where the Achiever was clear about his solid sense of self, the Individualist may see himself has having many voices, acting one way in a certain situation, and in an entirely different way in another. This can create inner conflict, and Individualists may feel anxiety about integrating these different aspects of themselves.

The Individualist’s new ability to introspect and observe leads to a greater empathy, and a greater spontaneity. Others, however, can see them as unpredictable or flaky, as unpreductive non-doers, and as someone who can be indefinite and impossible to nail down.

In the next post we’ll look at the next stage, the Strategist, and then we’ll move on to the two unitive stages.

(Again, if you want to take Susanne Cook-Greuter’s sentence completion test to determine your developmental level, go to www.cook-greuter.com and click on the “SCTi assessment” link at the top.)

Before I sign off, however, I promised you a recommendation–in fact, one that’s absolutely free. I want to suggest that you check out a teleseminar series created by a friend of mine, Michael Walker, of Zentimental. The series is called Masters of the Mind, and includes Michael’s fascinating interviews with a number of noted teachers, including:

Success and business guru, Mark Joyner, of Simpleology…

My friend Marci Shimoff (author of Chicken Soup for the Women’s Soul, and the current bestseller, Happy for No Reason)…

Another good friend, Dr. Kevin Hogan, author of many books, an expert in influence and in body language, and a super-funny guy…

Yet another old friend of mine, Janet Atwood, creator of The Passion Test (Janet adores me, so I really like her)…

Well-known marketing guru Dan Kennedy…

My friend Dr. John DeMartini (an amazing guy who was featured in The Secret and is one of the best examples I know of ‘crazy wisdom’)…

And quite a few others…

And, me!

This series is free. Just go to http://www.zentimental.com/centerpointe. You’ll be asked to give your first name and email, and then Michael will email you regarding how and when to call in to listen to the teleseminar calls. Or, for a small fee you can also download the calls and put them on your iPOd or other MP3 player or burn them onto CDs, allowing you to listen to them over and over (and, very likely learn more from them). If you don’t want to do that, it’s free.

That’s it. Be well.

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39 Responses to “Everything is relative…right?”

  1. jessica says :

    “This often leads to consensus governanace in group situations–a lot of talk with few real decisions being made and few actions taken (though participants do feel heard and acknowledged).”
    Oh, I’ve been in a few of these types of meetings. They go on, and on, and on…

    Just reviewing this information really drives the point home that not everybody is coming from the same developmental level, so that is why not everyone agrees with each other. Since they can’t see the problem in the same way, their reactions to the problem are completely different, depending on their developmental stage.

    You’ve been helpful in pointing out the “pros and cons” to this particular stage. I remember meeting people like this:
    “In the extreme, the Individualist’s way of deciding what is right or wrong can lead to living almost without any principles whatsoever. Over-focus on one’s relativistic uniqueness can make it more difficult to connect with others, rather than easier.”

    I’ll call your post, “The Tao of Relativity”. Until next time…

  2. Paul van der Geer says :

    Hello Bill

    Just a general remark, I saved all your mind chatters, and I also waht to make an archive of your articles on you Blog.
    Is is possible to make a Save pdf for all the, very good, articles that you write.

    Thanks,
    Big Fan.

  3. Jenn says :

    Hi Bill….I’m a five year Centrepointe veteran and adore the program. This is my first visit to the blog – though I was an avid reader of Mind Chatter. I find this post interesting – but if it’s a short post, I’m a bit nervous about the long posts! Could you make it more point driven with the opportunity or links to learn more?

  4. Charles says :

    Bill,

    As you were describing Individualists, the name Ken Wilber popped into my mind along with several of the recorded interviews and presentations of his.

    The question (not necessarily related to your article) that occurred to me is: Do he or his admirers actually do anything beyond pontificating and validating each other?

    Just a spontaneous thought. :-)

  5. Nathan says :

    Thanks Bill, your really teaching me soo much. These “levels” are really giving me footing to understand this huge essence of me that I feel immersed in, like the fish on water example you always use. Its just amazing… so far so fast with little or NO effects to myself. I cant imagine learning faster. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

  6. Rick Crocker says :

    This particularly blog brings to mind the book The Black Swan which addresses the limits of our mind and certain inborn tendencies that cause us to see certainty and causality where it does not exist ……. good book to read.

  7. Britt Malka says :

    ;-) You said this post was “pretty short” – that certainly is relative :-D

  8. I have been a user of user of holosync for just over a year now and have been reading all of Bill’s blogs. This last one has resulted in an “Ah Hah” moment for me. I can now understand why I feel happy in general despite the fact that others may have a problem understanding what I’m about.
    I am an artist and this in itself makes it hard for people to understand me. I think this is the case partly because (at least for my generation)- I’m 53 – few people have an understanding of art history which I believe runs parallel with the ideas related to the stages of human development.
    It may be a coincidence but around the same time I started using holosync, my artwork started to become even more experimental and process oriented with an emphasis on being “in the moment.” I work by poring washes of acrylic paint on un-primed canvas. I then photograph with my digital camera each stage of the process. Then, with the help of photoshop, I can mix and blend these with photographs I’ve taken.( This “process” could seem like a waste of time especially for people who don’t understand what abstract art is all about. ) In this process there is very little control over the final outcome, however, with the aid of “bodily wisdom” the results are often beautiful. Another way to put this would be “Others however , can see them an unpredictable or flaky, as unpreductive non-doers, and as someone who can be indefinate and impossible to nail down.”
    To an outside observer my life could even seem a bit bleak. I’m unmarried, have little money or security and spend much of my time alone. However yesterday, as I came out of my meditation I realized with great clarity that I feel great and I’m Happy!

    Thanks Bill for helping me make sense of my crazy life!

    Connie Charnell

  9. gwen yeaman says :

    This is really helpful, Bill. As I read I see myself and can peg a few others in the categories. Some of the elements you listed I hadn’t picked up on, and they helped me to round out the personality and perspective. ‘Makes good sense.

    One persoanl thing I am puzzled about but can’t quite nail down; is it possible to be so OK with it all that I am unable to really draw down on what I really want? I did the exercises of “want”, “be” and “do” and 99% of what I came up with was wanting more of the good quality I am fortunate to have, and more time for learning, seeing and being in it. Am I too zenned-out for my own good? I wonder if I might have a block somehwere but cannot identify it. Why can’t I draw down on goals, concrete wants and plans? Is it part of a personality, a level or am I just not clear with myself? Can understanding these levels reveal my dilema? I don’t live in a bubble and I have money pinches and aches and pains like everyone else, but they don’t seem important enough to make the lists I created. What gives? Can I use these levels to help shed light on this?

    I appreciate your sharing your mind. Sometimes it makes such sense to me that the only way I can release is to jump on the bed. What level is this? ha. Seriously, thanks. Please keep going forward and keep me on your list. Gwen

  10. Lisa Kuimjian says :

    Hi Bill,

    Try this out! People that conform to group think will not only dress more like the group but will also have handwriting that is closer to “copybook” norm. Once a person starts individuating it will be reflected in the departure of their handwriting from the school model. (yes, those adults that have very copybook models of handwriting are at the same level of beliefs as when they learned it….)

    To have objective thinking, one needs to be able to keep the color of personal emotions out. Clear, wider than copybook line spacing and word spacing with no tangling of upper and lower zone loops indicate the ability for objective thinking. Real crowded spacing (lines, words, letters, margins) indicates subjective thinking; thinking can get muddled. Also, having zonal proportions (upper, middle, lower) indicate a balance of energies towards the intellect, emotions and unconscious drives. When you see a distortion of proportion in these three zones you know that it reflects an imbalance in the psyche.

    Try it out! The most evolved people will have clear, simplified and harmonious writing.

    It makes me somewhat sad to see middle age people have handwriting as though they were a 16 year old. Often that writing (especially girls) have that full, rounded middle zone writing – no dreams, simply concern with the here and now.

    Look forward to next installment!

    Lisa K.

  11. Dear Bill,
    As a psychology graduate I am familiar with Piaget…. he has his merits and lots of gaps too. I read your postconventional blog with interest. Yes I am definitely at a postconventional stage, with all its inherent joys and inbuilt hurdles. I got a laugh out of gaining a better understanding of a recent heated argument with my mature, but still ‘highly rational’ 15 year old son. He is full of advice on simple rules and interpersonal ‘contracts’ that would improve and simplify my life and dealings with other mortals. He is too black and white to see things from the multi-perspective that I tend to take. He does have one massive advantage though: life is good for him, he is highly intelligent, and playing by clear rules pays him well. He actually would attract more business and clients than me. The challenge over time would be to see how he reacts when others don’t play by the ‘rules’, or when his black and white world view actually creates moral dilemmas….. I’ll watch what happens then. This is a nice phase for him, chauvinism (men are rational, women like shopping!), survival of the fittest (and he is super-fit), technology can save the world, etc. etc.
    Actually one of my favorite criticisms of him is that he tends to be a bit egotistic. Now I see why! If the world continues to be run by rational, me-first individuals, we cannot hope for a just society.
    For me, things don’t seem to go my way often enough, I get used and exploited but some egocentric folk, but I have done a lot of good in the world and some people do value me for taking in the greater good. Clearly I am not interacting with enough people who are post-conventionalists. Another great test of human development is MORAL COMPETENCE…. this is a topic that would thrill you Bill and it was my psychology thesis. It is frightening to think that most adults only attain the moral competency of pre-adolescents. Not surprising that people, places and things can get damaged.
    Take care,
    Claire

  12. Antonio says :

    Bill,
    Relatively thinking there will always be more ways that one in this bottomless pit of ego thinking perspectives. Is Oneness of Spirit the end of a categorizing mind?

    Who am I? My Observation or interpretation? or the ending of both?
    Or everything and nothing at once?
    Individual or whole?

    would the ending of thought by the stillness of Silence will set me free?
    I am your illusion and you are mine…

    Relatively thinking,

    Antonio

  13. David says :

    Fascinating again Bill :O). I really enjoyed this latest post.

    Thanks again,
    David :O)

  14. Joanne Ring says :

    Greetings to you Bill,
    As usual an enlightened read, one very thought provoking and revealing.
    I’m such a fan. Til next time.
    Joanne

  15. YJ says :

    I have a question…or two :-)

    If the Individualist distrusts conventional wisdom or what society tells them and in so doing challenges “…the assumptions and frameworks underlying his own thinking, as well as those of society as they can see that the context, structure, or process involved in a situation can reveal more, in some cases, than the content” why is it they are plagued (my word because I think a lack of decision making is a plague) by a “…consensus governanace style–a lot of talk with few real decisions made and few actions taken (though participants do feel heard and acknowledged)”?

    It would seem to me that this added insight of the individualist would offer more options for action rather then options to bog you down into inaction.

    These talk fests where everyone feels heard and acknowledged seems very touchy feely and not very individualistic at all otherwise why don’t they express that individualism in action? The original purpose of such meetings is not to be feel all warm and fuzzy but to accomplish or make a decision on something … unless of course it is a therapy session.

    I would have thought as you progressed from development level to development level … or picked up wisdom / learnings from a multiple of development levels … that some part of those levels would be incorporated in the higher levels ie ability to challenge underlying assumptions is added to decision/goal making processes. To do otherwise would also seem like throwing the baby out with the bath water.

    On a different note … is anyone familiar with the work of Ayn Rand? Where would you say her key characters fit into these developmental levels? I kind of always saw them as individualists but having read Bill’s stuff I am inclined not to think so as they had no problem with making decisions. Yes I know they are fictional characters but I am interested none the less.

    I love your blog Bill and love reading everybody’s thoughts … it is all good stuff and constantly reminds me of the truth of the old saying that it is ‘horses for courses’.

    cheers
    YJ

  16. Mark says :

    The individualist “stage” puts me in mind of Ken Wilber’s Boomeritis; same illness with a different name.

  17. Kylie says :

    Hi Bill… I read Gwen’s post with interest as I feel like I am totally at the same place as she is. I see my friends around me killing themselves for the things they are attached to, and miserable with what seems to be “all they ever wanted” and I am happy in my life and don’t feel the need to have set goals and things to obtain, places I have to get to or things I have to do.

    I don’t have a partner, a flash home or car etc, I feel grateful for the abundance I have in my life, a great job, family and friends etc, I see beauty in so many things. I don’t have any real goals to speak of, I am happy just letting whatever is be ok. I am aware that if there is something I do desire I have a choice to position myself in life so I might obtain such things, but I have come to a stage of “acceptance” I suppose of just watching the beautiful journey unfold.

    I wonder too if I am at a block or if I am just content and grateful for all I have? Is this a stage of development?

    It’s been an incredible journey since being on the program from a life I thought I hated, to a life I know I love, and that has come from looking inward, and being ok with it all.

    I welcome your thoughts.

    Kylie

  18. Santiago says :

    Hi Bill,

    This makes SO MUCH SENSE, thanks for another beautiful post.

    I have been using Holosync for 4 months and can clearly see myself becoming more and more an observer of my own interactions with the world. I guess myself as an Individualist (or close to it since I often catch myself thinking that really “everything is relative”, and have a growing tendency to live in the present moment and to focus more on processes than outcomes)

    Is there a direct relation between one’s developmental level and one’s Holosync level ?

    If someone is in a higher Holosync level, does that mean that he/she is also in a higher development level?

    I wander how long I must keep using Holosync in order to evolve to a higher level, and If someone completes the program, does it mean the he/she is at the highest level?

    Thanks again, I LOVE your Blogs and get exited every time I see a notification for a new post.

    Lots and lots of love.

    Santiago

  19. Alex says :

    Hi Bill,
    Hi folks,

    Please share your knowledge of Piaget on Wikipedia,
    making it accessible to the rest of the world and opening
    it up to an outside-centerpointe community for review.

    BTW. I read your Pal J.A. Ray is doing free retreats,
    any chance, we’ll soon see you do it, too?

    best,

    Alex

  20. Alex says :

    PS
    We’re all waiting for you to put it in podcast, Bill ;)

  21. Robin Grant says :

    Hi Bill, I know it is a lot of extra work but I would appreciate it if you could continue to put these Blog’s onto podcast mp3 . I listen to them while driving to and from work and any other time that I have spare. I really enjoy the content and therefore hope that you will continue to put them into MP3 format. I often listen several times to one discussion.
    Thanks for all the great work it has really helped me. I have only been listening to Holosync for three months and am really enjoying tremendous benefit from it.
    Thanks
    Robin

  22. Nathan says :

    Bill could you respond to the Gwen and Kyle posts.. I would like to understand more of that too since I aligne with alot of what they are saying.

  23. John Griggs says :

    I really love being Bill and writing these Blogs. I also love being all of us different readers and our opinions and experiences of the Blog.
    This is so much fun, I just had to wake up for a moment and acknowledge to all of me how much I enjoy watching me experience myself as you.
    Love
    God
    PS Shhhh, I’m sleeping.

  24. Lois says :

    Good one John, thanks for waking me up!

  25. KB says :

    My take on the “zenned-out question” —I think there’s a transitional point (maybe esp. if you have just come through a rough time), when just to be alive and not in pain feels so amazing that there’s really not much else. What’s to want? Probably nothing—it’s all good, all a relief. But it is possible to get attached to what some Indian philosophies call “sattva”—hanging on a little too much to peace and quiet—not risking much. The trick is go beyond it without losing it.

    At higher levels wanting is expressing—in new forms, creative forms—whatever you are, whatever new directions you find, whatever abilities you want to explore, who and what you love, etc. That “I gotta have it” sense is gone, but there’s still a kind of expanded you to express, and the more aware you become the more there seems to be. I think that’s built into being human—but if it’s not there right now I wouldn’t worry about it. Will be interested to hear more.

    Love reading all these posts— not many discussions like this are as thoughtful. Thanks all.

  26. john dupuy says :

    Thanks Bill, You have a great ability to write clearly about complex matters, while
    I’m pretty familiar with a lot of this material, I had new insights as I read this. The addition to this developmental dimension and understanding to whatever endeavor one is encaged in is evolutionary and revolutionary. It changes everything. I look forward to the next installment!
    john

  27. Deer Roberts says :

    Bill, you might well be considered as a permanent interpreter for Ken Wilber.

    While this is all very helpful, it can be troubling. We must beware of creating new platforms for elitism among us, or spiritual pride within us as we explore the (relatively new) science of psychology as it is married to spirituality. Its very knowledge impacts us both pro and con. The intellect must cleave to compassion in order to protect the soul. And even with that, self checks on the ego must be routine. We must respect the innate reptilian response within each of us. It keeps us humble. But for the grace of God….

    Also, if one has such money as to take the MAP test on the Cook-Greuter site, it may be advisable to do so with therapeutic backup lined up in order to deal with and apply the resulting knowledge. Such results could be bewildering.

    deer

  28. Kylie says :

    KB, good post, zenned out, hmmm not sure about that, but I do understand what you say about higher levels of expressing and forms of creativity, since I have started this program I have a great passion for painting and photography, both are expression of myself and my creativity.

    Does anyone know if Bill responds to these post?

    I’m not sure it is zenned out, it’s a feeling of being connected with the universe and the ability to see the simplicy and complexity of it all. I marvel at how people get so bogged down in the day to day, they simply cannot see the big picture. I do spend every day in the hustle and bustle of a busy hectic job and a four hour commute where I associate with many people, but sadly I don’t find a lot of them on the same level.

    It’s nice to be here with likeminded people.

    Namaste
    Kylie

  29. Steve Oliver says :

    Bill
    Because I review your material many many many times, having an audio version is very helpful!

    Also, your voice adds a very important “non verbal” quality to the material that the text alone would not provide. I really appreciate you taking the extra time tpo proviide these audio tracks.

    I believe that your work is helping me take major steps in personal growth.

    Thanks
    Steve

  30. Marianne Perez says :

    Thank you for adding the podcast. It is so much easier and enjoyable for me to “hear” than read the sessions!

    Marianne

  31. Sharon says :

    Charles, Britt, John Griggs, KB: Right on, all of us, couldn’t have said it better myselves. Thanks!!

  32. Mary-Kay says :

    Bill, I am really enjoying your blog – the podcasts are great. I am finding the pre and post conventional info very interesting – need to revisit the posts several times to let the info sink in!

    Thanks for all you do!

    Mary-Kay

  33. trine says :

    jessicas comment about concensus governement,is very valuable and pertinent,all opinions are not equally valid nor in same context of the same context,hence in a finance meet the agenda may be finance,but some may be talking corporate finace while others personal,and still others the developmental effects,,goes along way to explain how the markets are,currently so over blown and collapsing,skewed and wonky,at panic stations. and messed up beyond repair.and just because some governor says doesnt make it so…as the song goes itaint necessarily so! george soros recognises that,what the other george has forgotten,in the fog.

  34. John Davis says :

    Hi Bill, I am enjoying the “Blogs” relative to mental growth stages. Very fascinating information, of course I am analyzing my relative mental position as I proceed and seeing myself in each stage in specific capacities. I would guess this is “normal”….. whatever that is. Keep up the beautiful work.

  35. Bill — Sorry this is not a comment associated with this blog posting. I wasn’t sure how else to get this to you. Have you seen this video of Dr. Jill Taylor’s speech on what her own stroke taught her about the right and left hemispheres of the brain. I’m really interested to know your take on what she experienced.
    http://www.microclesia.com/?p=320
    Thanks
    Kathleen

  36. robert says :

    Bill, I think your having way too much fun with this blog stuff, although your posts are interesting.

  37. Alemenia Mclean says :

    Dear Bill
    I have been using Holosync for sometime now and I did somthing I have never done before. I was getting ready for bed and decided to play floating level 1 cd 5 I had just started Awakening livel 2 cd 1 dive I have been using it for 2 days. My bedroom was dark, I was very tired and did not realize I was putting cd 4 awakening lever 2 instead of floating level 1 cd 5. I fell asleep quickly I woke up startled and paniced 3 and a half hours later my legs were twiching uncontrobably Up until this point I could never remember my dreams not any of it. The last two nights I have had really bad might mares I still twiching though not as bad. I have been playing CHANGE MADE EASY,the last couple of nights. Is the twiching to much to fast? Somthing I will eventually incounter but at a slower pace in the future. I want to have this feeling all the time, but the twiching concerns me. I cannot explain the wonderful feeling of complete release that I feel and another thing, the past 10 years I have waken at 2 am in a panic about the future or one of my kids or grandkids and could not get back to sleep the past two nights I have slep thru the night.

  38. HELLO HUMAN BEINGS “LOVE BY THOUGHT , BY RELATION , BY IMAGINE , BY TALK , BY LOOK ,BY FEEL , BY TOUCH – ALL ARE THE LOVE OF PHYSICAL WORLD & HAS TIME TO END” IT IS KARAM – KANDA .THIS PHYSICAL LOVE CREATE NEW GENERATION TO CONTINUE THE TIME & PHYSICAL WORLD.IN THIS LOVE YOU HAVE TO NEED ANOTHER PHYSICAL PRESENCE .

    “THE INTERNAL LOVE BY SOUL(ATMA OR COSMIC ENERGY) TO GOD( PARMATMA OR SUPEREM POWER) IS THE PUREST & HOLY PRINCIPLE OF LOVE” IT HAS NO TIME TO END . IT IS KARAM – YOGA .IN THIS LOVE YOU HAVE NO NEED OF ANOTHER PHYSICAL PRESENCE .THIS PRINCIPLE OF UNIVERSE & MATTER OF AFTER TIME .

    ” LOVE IS YOGA – LOVE MAKES ONE ” WE CAN MAKE OURSELVES IN ONE BY SOUL(ATMA) WITH GOD(PARMATMA). THIS IS THE PRINCIPLE.
    “WHEN WE MAKE OURSELVES ONE BY PHYSICALLY – WE MAKE NEW GENERATION TO CONTINUE TIME OF PHYSICAL WORLD ”
    “YOUR LIFE IS TIME ”
    “YOUR SOUL IS PRINCIPLE”
    “A FRUIT – IF YOU DON’T EAT OR USE IN TIME IT WILL DESTROY .IT IS THE MATTER OF TIME LIKE YOUR PHYSICAL LIFE .”
    “BUT SEED OF FRUIT WILL NOT DESTROY – IT BECOME A TREE OR PLANT TO CONTINUE .IT IS NOT THE MATTER OF TIME , IT IS THE PRINCIPLE OF SUPEREM POWER LIKE YOUR SOUL.”

    “MAN HAS SEED TO FEED IN WOMAN TO CREATE THE PHYSICAL WORLD” WOMAN FULFIL THE NEED & GROW UP THIS SEED , SO WOMAN DO EVERYTHING IN THIS WAY LIKE EARTH . SO EARTH IS CALLED MOTHER OF US . IN RELIGIOUS HISTORY “GOD” IS CALLED “SUPEREM FATHER.”
    WHEN A MAN STOP THE FLOW HIS OWN SIEMENS(SEED) TO CREATE NEW BIRTH OR ENJOY SEX THEN HIS ENERGETIC POWER OF SIEMENS(SEED) ENLIGHT AS SOUL & THIS LIGHT(SOUL) RETURN TO IT’S SUPEREM CENTRAL GRATIVITY (SEPEREM PRINCIPLE )IN RADHASOAMI YOGA .IN THIS JOURNEY WHEN THIS ENERGY RETURNS TO IT’S PRINCIPLE – THIS PRODUCE A SOUND BY POWER OF SPEED BASED ON LOVE , THIS SOUND IS THE “WORD” .LIKE WHEN HIGH VOLTAGE OF CURRENT GOES INTO THE WIRES , IT ALSO PRODUCE A SOUND .SO LIKE THIS ALL HUMAN BEINGS OF THIS WORLD HAVE FEMALE FORM AS SOUL IN THIS UNIVERSAL PRINCIPLE & WE CAN SAY THIS FORM OF SOUL IS NATURE .IN UNIVERSAL PRINCIPLE WE CAN SAY THIS NATURE IS WOMAN .
    IN THIS JOURNEY OF SOUL(COSMIC ENERGY ) TO GOD HAS 18 SPHEARES :-

    1)6 OF PHYSICAL – ( MAN & WOMAN )
    2)6 OF SUBTLE – (ATMA & PARMATAMA OR SOUL & IT’S SUPEREM FORM )
    3) CAUSAL – RADHA + SOAMI = RADHASOAMI YOGA )
    “ PERFECT UNIVERSAL YOGA OF LOVE FOR EVER & EVRYWHERE IN THIS UNLIMITED UNIVERSE “
    YOU ALL ARE THE CONSCIOUS PRESENTATION OF GOD IF YOU WANT TO MEET & KNOW ABOUT GOD THEN PLZ ENLIGHTED YOUR ALIVE PART WHO NEVER DIES .YOUR PHYSICAL WORLD HAVE END BUT COSMIC ENRGY WILL ALIVE TILL UNIVERSE IF YOU ENLIGHTED YOUR INTERNAL CONSCIOUSNESS (SOUL) . REMEMBER LIGHT IS THE FASTEST SPEED IN THIS UNIVERSE IT IS THE ONLY WAY TO KNOW ABOUT PAST , PRESENT , FUTURE MEANS ABOUT TIME & AFTER THAT ALSO AFTER TIME WHICH IS THE MAIN CENTRAL GRATIVITY . THE ONLY YOUR CONSCIOUS ENERGY CAN CONTACT EVERYTHING IN THIS UNIVERSE YOUR PHYSICAL WORLD HAVE NO RANGE TO REACH THEM .WHEN YOU ENLIGHTED YOUR COSMIC ENERGY ( SOUL ) THEN YOU WILL FIND THAT YOUR ALIVE ENERGY IS THE PART OF UNIVERSAL ENRGY IS EVERY WHERE IN THIS UNIVERSE . THIS KIND OF CONTACT IS THE TRUE & HOLY LOVE OF GOD . WHICH NEVER DIES TILL UNIVERSE ”
    IT CAN BE START SLOWLY ONLY BY PRINCIPLE OF YOUR PHYSICAL TIME NOT CAN BE DONE BY LESS OR MORE TIME . SO YOU CAN CALL SURAT + SHABAD YOGA , RADHA+SOAMI YOGA .YOU CAN DO IT EASILY & SLOWLY BY ITS’ OWN FORMATION IN TIME OR AFTER TIME OF UNIVERSAL PRINCIPLE SO YOU CAN ALSO CALL IT “SAHAJYOGA”.

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    ” YOU ALL ARE CONSCIOUS PRESENTATION OF GOD ” & YOUR CREATION OF PHYSICAL BEHAVIOUR (LOVE) BY ENERGY IS THE WORLD OF GENERATION IN TIME – WHEN THIS ENERGY RETURN INSIDE YOU & CHANGE INTO ABSOLUTE PERFECTION OF INTERNAL ENERGY (BY LOVE OF SOUL) TO UVIVERSAL ENERGY (SUPEREM SOUL)IS THE PRINCIPLE OF UNLIMITED UNIVERSE & UNLIMITED TIME ( NO TIME LIMIT OR AFTER TIME ) OF GOD ”

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    “LIFE IS NOT A REHERSAL – IT IS THE FINAL STROKE “

    DR . HARIOM , SR . SCIENTIST – AGRONOMY , CCSHAU – HISAR (KURUKSHETRA)TO ASK hariomkvk@gmail.com jasdeep.sindhu@gmail.com& PLZ VISIT TO KNOW MORE http://www.radhasoamitaradham.com

  39. Mike says :

    Not many people know the gravity of what might take place around the globe in respect to the economy. Bill is right it just might seem like the end of the world. However, things won’t get better until the people are WELL informed on the actual problem and the proposed solutions and take political action instead of sitting on the sidelines like a bunch of bums. I hope everyone everyone here checks out this video to get a better understanding about whats REALLY been going on and what they can do about it.

    http://larouchepac.com/firewall

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