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The Blog That Ate Mind Chatter by Bill Harris, Director of Centerpointe Research Institute and creator of Holosync meditation program.

Isn’t it frustrating to be a person?

by Bill Harris
December 21st, 2011

Have you ever felt frustrated by your spiritual practice? Where are those results you expected? Here is a letter I received from a student in my Life Principles Integration Process Online courses with that very frustration, along with my answer. First, his letter to me:

Dear Bill, 

My question is: Why can’t I experience anything spiritual inside that validates, in a positive way, any practice or technique I have ever tried?  Just wanted to show you there is a question to all that follows (because there is a background story that must be told. I’ll keep it as brief as I can though.)

Part of this will be a bit of writing therapy for me as (at 63) my life, both inside and outside, lies in ruins all around me, I’m feeling suicidal, and I feel a need to yell at God.(Sorry, letting whatever happens be OK has run out of steam.)

So…Beginners mind:  In the early seventies I read Zen Flesh Zen bones which blew my socks off and changed me from an atheist who was profoundly disillusioned with life on earth to a rather naive seeker. After reading that book I knew that I had to find a teacher who could guide me to the Self, the God within (my favorite image is simply ‘freedom’ though.)

Tried everything I had access to over the next seven or eight years. No dice; nothing moved me or resonated anywhere but inside my intellect. God didn’t want to know me. Each time something didn’t work I returned to sex, drugs and rock’n’ roll… which did work.

But not good for the body.  Went to the States in 78’ and tried to do a Jack Kerouac…indulge myself into a sort of wandering, quasi spiritual, substance abusing suicide, inspired by my profound disillusion with worldly life and my failed attempts at a spiritual life. 

Almost succeeded but under the most weird and extraordinary circumstances Baba Muktananda reached out into the byways of America and into my abject despair and hauled my sorry ass into Siddha Yoga… where, for the second time in my life, my sox were blown off.

With a return of the enthusiasm of beginners mind I did an Intensive at the end of 79’ and had my first real transcendent encounter with the Self. On the strength of that I was graced with a year of profound personal power where I could — and did – do anything I wanted… with great love and respect.

Glowing with “success” I went to India in 81’ (just to cross the ‘T’s and dot the ‘I’s on my enlightenment process.)  There, the mat of my honeymoon period was slapped from under my feet and I discovered that (to put it mildly) there was still much work to do on my sadhana.

I did not run away though, such was the power of my experience of Kundalini awakening — and the year of ‘home trial’ that followed it — that I was filled with determination to stay the course and do battle with my ignorant demons.

This despite a slowly dawning realization that all the practices (meditation, chanting, selfless service, scriptural study etc.) seemed to be falling on deaf, internal ears. I felt nothing for them.

Not quite true…I felt a steadily rising frustration.  I also realized that a great part of the spiritual journey was about burning up the inner obstacles. This fire, at least, validated that I was moving along the path. Though I tried, however, I failed to find any ‘juice’ in the desert of my inner landscape.

Thirty one years later it’s the same: all fire no joy, no happiness, no freedom… no inner benefits or validation after all my efforts. And on the outside… all of the indications of the failure of what I choose to do with my life… no home, no money, health in decline and a (Siddha Yoga) partner who I love dearly and am completely devoted to, but is worse off than me.  

Ironically Bill, it is spirituality that has made me excruciatingly aware that ‘nothing works for me’. My last hope has failed me. (No, of course that is not true, I have failed it.)

That’s why I added Holosync to my Siddha Yoga practices.  I have stuck to my sadhana through hell and high water. I have spent many years in the ashrams and even done a pilgrimage to Mt Kailas in a thus far vain attempt to get somewhere internally. All of this finds still nailed to the earth and desperate to find that brief experience I had when I first started Siddha Yoga.                                                     

Which brings us to the Now, Bill.  That’s the bare bones above, there is much I could add that is probably relevant, but you’re a busy guy and I’m trying not to waste your time. 

What it seems to me to add up to is that I am missing the most fundamental skills for an internal life.  After 30 years of meditation I can manage maybe five minutes max of internal focus. Though I love music of all sorts thousands of hours of chanting leaves me cold inside. Though I feel respect and admiration for my Guru, I feel no love in my dead heart. Prayer is a complete waste of time (probably because the ear that can hear an answer to prayer is in the heart, and my heart is deaf and dumb.)

The philosophy and literature does inspire me, though — the poet saints, the stories of the masters and strange yogis…your writings, Bill! (and, with your recommendation, Jack Kornfields ‘A Path with a Heart’. Brilliant stuff!)  But that inspiration gets one nowhere unless you have the faculties to translate it all inside…make it work…which I seem frustratingly incapable of doing.  Beginner’s Mind runs out without the validation of some sort of identifiable success. That is the storey of my sadhana – and what was inevitably repeated with the Internal Map course.

So…all fire, no joy. Frustration ranging from tolerable to catatonic. My internal map more powerful than God. My life reflecting all the wasted effort. Is suicide really the only answer, Bill? Is meditation (for some people anyway) just a Pandora’s box of unconscious horrors…best left closed. The way I feel now I really wish I had just stuck to plumbing and drinking wine… money and joy…bingo!

I know this is hypocritical and paradoxical, Bill, but on reading the above, which is all relatively true, I realize that my spiritual life has been full of adventure and amazing learning — on the outside and intellectually. And that I do live in an unbelievable beautiful country, that is moderately safe and sane and I have wonderful friends. I am not unaware of my blessings, Bill. My conundrum is that I am living in heaven but going through hell.

Any clues?

Love and respect, JC

JC,

I’m not sure where to start. You have asked me to assess your entire spiritual path. Though I have profound respect for Muktananda, who was an amazing fellow (I have many close friends who spent time with him), I am not in complete agreement with the Hindu explanation of the human condition or the details of their approach.

I think what you are discovering is fundamental to what Buddhists have discovered about life. One thing we will talk about in the second Life Principles course are Buddha’s Four Noble Truths. The basis of those Four Nobel Truths is this:

As a human being, you are stuck right in the middle of what Buddhists would call “the human condition.” One characteristic of the human condition is that we are caught in a giant matrix of cause and effect – we are at the effect of an almost unlimited number of causes. For instance, there are 7 billion other people, and they often act in a way that causes you to get what you don’t want, or not get what you do want. Most of these people have an agenda that is in conflict with yours, and their actions interfere with you getting what you want.

There are also many physical realities over which you have no control and which can also cause you to experience outcomes you don’t want: the sun, gravity, cosmic rays, weather, the seasons, earthquakes, volcanoes, etc, etc, plus the fact that you’ll die without food, air, water, shelter, a certain temperature range . . . and so forth.
And, finally, even when you get what you want it doesn’t last. Everything in this universe eventually falls apart, goes away, or ends.

All of these conditions create suffering for human beings.

The Hindu view is that if you do certain spiritual practices you have a CHANCE, at least, of attaining moksha (spiritual liberation) – what most Westerners refer to this as “being enlightened” – in other words, having a constant experience of the transcendent (or, as you’ve put it, of God).

Hindus believe that this provides an escape from the suffering inherent in the human condition. Zen, however, has a bit of a different take on this subject. Tozan, a famous Zen master, describes five stages of awakening (The Five Ranks of Tozan). The constant experience of the transcendence (what Hindus call enlightenment) is the third stage, with two more to follow. The fourth stage involves “a fall from grace”, where the seeker realizes that the transcendent, as beautiful as that experience is, is not an escape from the human condition, though at first it seems to be. In fact, in this stage the seeker feels as if he has been thrown out of the transcendent by the very causes of suffering he thought he’d escaped. This is followed (hopefully, with a lot of further spiritual work) by a fifth stage in which the transcendent and relative worlds are integrated – which is quite different than thinking you’ve escaped from the problems of the human condition.

So the cold, hard truth is that, enlightened or not, you’ll still be subject to all the human problems I listed above. There is, in fact, no escape from these problems. Hindu gurus sometimes seem to avoid them because their followers take care of them and make sure their human needs are met, which shields them, to some degree, from some of those problems. But the guru still gets sick and, just like the rest of us, he needs food, air, shelter, etc, to survive, and eventually he grows old and dies. He is still subject to all the problems of being human I listed above (which certainly isn’t an all-inclusive list). He’s perhaps better able to be philosophical about his situation than most people, but he still has to contend with the same problems everyone else has.

Now, as I have said, there are SOME things you can (or, rather, could) have some control over or choice about, because you create those those things. While you don’t create what the sun does, or that you need air to survive, or whether or not there is an earthquake, or the actions political leaders take that affect you, you do create 1) how you feel, 2) how you behave, 3) which people and situations you attract or become attracted to, and 4) what meanings you assign to what happens.

These four things are NOT a choice, however, unless you have the awareness to see how you create them, as you do it. This is what the first Life Principles Integration Process course is about: how you can become aware of how you create these things. When you do that, these four things become a choice.

Making these four things a choice is not something you do in the 6 months the course takes, however. It generally takes decades, and a lot of awareness, which is why we meditate, or, better yet, use Holosync. With Holosync, this process is dramatically accelerated because Holosync creates tremendous awareness.

Once you have a choice about those four things, you can then CHOOSE your suffering – which is a lot different than escaping your suffering, and is, unfortunately, the best you can do in this particular universe. For example, if you are attached to your child, you are subject to suffering if he dies or does something you don’t want him to do. With the choice created through awareness (since awareness creates choice), you KNOW that this consequence (potential suffering) is built into caring about your child, but you do it anyway–you choose to do it–because without such connections, without this sort of engagement in life, life would be dry and boring. It would have no juice.

This is, unfortunately, the best we can do as humans: choose our suffering. Buddha’s first Nobel Truth is that “All life is suffering”—for the reasons I cited above. Your story is your own version of living a life where you, like everyone else, are caught in the human condition.

So, what can you do? First, you can do what you need to do to have choice about those things you actually create. Less than 1% of people ever do this. If you do, it improves your life immeasurably because you stop most of the suffering that YOU are creating. You still have to deal with the suffering you can’t control (a product of cause and effect and the impermanence of all things), but at least you aren’t creating more suffering in the areas where you do (or could) have choice (you will never get to the point where you are so aware that you don’t create some suffering).

Next, you can continue to do spiritual practice toward the idea of experiencing the transcendent, and ultimately gaining the ability to live in the transcendent. You will, after that, at some point experience the fall from grace they speak of in Zen (you may be in that stage right now, based on your email), and which I mentioned above – hopefully followed by the ability to integrate the transcendent with the relative, which, as I said above, is different from thinking you have escaped from the relative world (which is what the Hindu approach promises, but doesn’t deliver). You cannot escape from the relative world, other than by dying, and this integration is an acknowledgement of that reality.

Muktananda, if I remember correctly, died of a heart attack (or some physical problem). So did Yogananda. Just like all humans, he was caught in the human condition. So are you. So am I. So is every person who is reading or listening to this. But what can you do other than make the best of it?

And, of course, there are many beautiful things about being human. You have mentioned the inspiration of philosophy and literature, but there is also music, art, and other creative pursuits; physical activities; the beauty of nature; and, of course, loving others.

I think much of your angst is because you have an idealized view of what is supposed to happen. You believed the Hindu promise of an escape from suffering. I wish there was one, but there isn’t. This doesn’t mean you’ll be constantly suffering (unless you create it), but it does mean that all those things I mentioned above are outside your control, and that you will inevitably fail to get what you want a great deal of the time, sometimes in a big way, sometimes in smaller ways.

This is just the way it is. Though no one ever fully accepts it, you can relax about it, you can learn to have choice about those things you do create, and you can learn to enjoy the day to day breathing in and out that makes us human. Muktananda, in fact, once said, “Life is a meaningless energy, going nowhere for no reason.” He meant, in part, that all of life’s meaning is ADDED, by you. It happens in your mind. This is your creative power as a human. Life means what you decide that it means. But only when you have enough awareness will the adding of meaning be a CHOICE. Without awareness, it will happen automatically, and you will add meanings based on the way your Internal Map of Reality was programmed by your past experiences.

Become aware. Use Holosync. Watch your Internal Map as it creates how you feel, how you behave, which people and situations you attract or become attracted to, and what meanings you assign to what happens.

And, finally, learn to be ordinary, because we all are. In Zen they say, “When hungry, eat. When tired, sleep.” Life is what it is. When you stop fighting against the human condition, it doesn’t haunt you so much.

Be well.

Bill

PS: An update on “Going to Hell in a Handbasket”: I hope you are paying attention and have noticed that much of what I have predicted in my three previous posts—financially, socially, politically, and otherwise—is unfolding, just as I have said it would. And, trust me, this process is just getting started. Social mood will become increasingly darker. Conflicts between all groups will increase. Financial problems will increase. The tendency to seek peace or to compromise will decrease. Please, get out of debt. Accumulate the resources you might need (food, cash, warmth, transportation, etc) should the source of these resources be temporarily shut down. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Above all, don’t be a deer in the headlights. Do something.

 

358 Responses to “Isn’t it frustrating to be a person?”

  1. Joel Says:

    I want to help people, I want to experience not thinking of myself and helping others. But who to help? I am a performing artist! I love art, music and culture. Generally performing artists seem to be very narcisistic. I do not want that life anymore. I want to step out of such a narcisistic way of life and into a life of compassion and helping others. But how to do this and still follow what I love. (dance, music, art and culture)

    I know I can reach people, I know I can touch people lives as I always have while performing. But with my spiritual growth and undestanding I realize I want to help people and touch people in a different more beneficial (to them) way. Especially as we enter such dark times!! I will be a part of the solution. I just do not know how (yet) !!

    As ignorant as I am, I will continue to educate myself and I know I can do something special to help people through my passions of dance, performing, art and culture. But what? But how?

    I am an Aussie guy who has been living an working in Germany for the past 6 years. I am back in Australia recovering from an ankle operation so I can get back into dancing. There is a possibility work will be offered to me in Germany again!!! Hmmm do I really want to go and live in Europe again?! Yes, but considering what is happening in Europe maybe not. (Australia is in a better position I understand, unless I am a complete idiot )

    Much of me thinks because things are more stable here in Australia it gives me a better chance on setting my self up to help help help and do my bit in easing Peoples suffering

    I know this is all off topic, but I do really just want to help people and you are the expert on that Bill. I am learning so so much from you, holosync, centerpionte, this blog and my hunger for further education…… I know there is something really wonderful (for others) I could do to help by combing my skills as a performer, my vision as an artist and all I am learning on spirituality, awareness and truth.

    Thanks always

    Cheers

    Joel

    FROM BILL: First of all, I wouldn’t disown the narcissist in you. When you disown something, it comes out in covert and harmful ways. Acknowledge that you like being the center of attention (just like everyone else). In fact, many narcissistic performers help alleviate suffering by taking people out of themselves for a while as they pay attention to what performers do.

    That said, perhaps there is a BIG way you can help people. I have been fortunate that I stumbled onto Holosync and that it resonates with a lot of people, many of whom have experienced huge positive changes. Every interaction with another person, though, offers a chance to alleviate suffering. Everyone wants to be seen, to be thought kindly of, to be heard. You never know how one word or gesture can help or change someone.

    If your intention is to help others, you will see opportunities, some large, some small. Just be willing to take advantage of them when they come.

  2. Clive Says:

    To JC. Can i just say i know what your talking about. Ive had suicidal thoughts since my teens, im now mid forties. Two failed attempts which just proved to me how much of a loser i really was. Had drug and alcohol problems, still do sometimes. Noone one at my work world ever know i was a drug taking alco who wants to top himself. Im Mr happy go lucky.
    I gave up the so called spiritual search years ago. My brother killed himself and so did my uncle, yes the whole fucking family is crazy. But and theres always a but, 1 year ago i took up holosync. At first i thought it was a lot of shit, but at least it made me feel good. Then i noticed after about 5 months i wasnt thinking suicide anymore. If i did, the thought never went anywhere and even at times at my lowest, ( usually in the shower, what the hells that about) i could easily just change my thoughts, just like that. I couldnt believe it. I havent got any of that one with the universe bullshit or any spiritual crap from holosync, none of that. In fact i dont tink ive changed much at all. Im less to anger and i seem to be able to watch myself do stuff,not to sure what thats about either. Anyway the reason for my rant is this. Holosync hasnt given me any spiritual enlightnment, whatever that is, but its changed my world. My depression is null and void and i no longer have suicidal thoughts. its just amazing. I was worried it would come back, but no it hasnt. So for me, i didnt get any spiritual enlighntment, but i got my life back if that makes sense.

    FROM BILL: It doesn’t seem to me that you “didn’t change much at all.” You describe a huge change. And the awareness you’ve gained — the ability to observe yourself — that awareness IS spiritual enlightenment. Spiritual maturity is about navigating your way through life, despite the double bind we’re in as humans. So glad to hear about what has happened to you because of Holosync. Keep going. (It gets even better.)

  3. Paul Cowan Says:

    I like the Alan Watts quote

    ” We should find perfect existence through imperfect existence. We should find perfection in imperfection. For us, complete perfection is not different from imperfection. The eternal exists because of non-eternal existence. ”

    I also like the point about how we would all get bored if everything went our way. We need to have the pain to see the pleasure.

    All of the above is of course very much easier said than done.

  4. natasha Says:

    i used to have intense suicidal thoughts as well. mostly due to the fact that i’ve been depressed for as long as i can remember. and these thoughts were quite intensified when i started having transcendent experiences, where everything was amazing for a few seconds and then pfff back to where i used to be. i couldn’t handle coming back to feeling sad. what saddens me the most is this nagging feeling that i don’t have a self (not in the transcendent – emptiness kind of way). i attribute this to my depression.

    then i discovered the witness. what a revelation! suddenly i had a self and it was this consciousness, loving everything because everything was myself. but, i couldn”t stay there, i was just visiting, or to be exact-it was just visiting me- i spent endless days meditating, hoping it would come back so that i could feel good just a little bit. and then, one day, i couldn’t take it anymore so i decided i would commit spiritual suicide. so i laid in bed, closed my eyes and decided to let go. i was scared cause i didn’t know what would happen. but i was determined. so i did it. and then… emptiness! nothing. no self. just freedom. and relief. which lasted for a few minutes. and then back to feeling sad.

    which is when i realised that it actually takes effort not to be in the “now”, in this vast emptiness. so i sat down and watched myself “trying”. i found that i couldn’t “try” and watch it at the same time, so when i manage to watch it, i give up trying and i’m in this emptiness, this “no-seeking” place. so, this is how i meditate now…
    but, again, i’m there for just a few seconds – although i do realise that somehow i’m there all the time- and then back to feeling sad. and after these experiences nothing changes in my reality. it’s all the same. or maybe something does change, but i just don’t have a clue what that is…

    so i decided i would do my best to make my “reality” a little better. so i spend time with people i love, friends and family, i try to do activities that i like, read books i want, listen to music, exercise, diet, stuff like that. i still meditate and try to go to this emptiness, but my life doesn’t depend on it as it used to (at least not always).
    i’m still depressed, still have this feeling that i don’t have a self, but it’s way milder i guess. and life is a little bit easier. more small happy moments here and there.

    well, that’s my story so far, bill i look forward to any advice/comment you have to make,
    love,
    n.

    FROM BILL: What you’re missing is that being sad or depressed is something you DO, not something that just happens. You are, however, doing it outside your awareness, which makes it SEEM as if it’s just happening to you. The whole idea of my Life Principles courses is for you to become aware of how you create the aspects of life that come from YOU: 1) how you feel (including sadness), 2) how you behave, 3) which people and situations you attact or become attracted to, and 4) what means you assign to what happens.

    If you can learn to watch what you do in your Internal Map of Reality (ie, the cognitive events you initiate) to create sadness, it will become a choice. Awareness —> choice. Once you have a choice, you will only choose things that serve you. Sadness almost never serves you, so you would choose not to create it. Right now, though, it isn’t a choice because you are doing it outside your awareness.

    This is the same advice I gave to JC: to become aware of how he creates those things that he actually could have a choice about (the four things I listed above). The same advice applies to you (and, actually, to everyone).

    Learning to watch yourself create these things requires 1) awareness (we use Holosync to create enough of it), and 2) practice watching the internal cognitive events that create those four things. This takes some times and effort, but it can be done, and it is worth the effort.

  5. Erik Says:

    One of the most powerful spiritual practices or ways of understanding who you really are that I have found is self enquiry. Ramana Maharshi recommended it a lot and now his “descendant” or disciple’s disciple Mooji say’s it’s the most direct way to the transcendent or the “Self”. It’s so simple and straightforward that even calling it a “practice” isn’t quite right.

    Mooji is currently my favorite guru(used to be Eckhart Tolle). I have watched him a lot on youtube the past 2 years or so, but I feel like I’m only now really starting to GET what he’s saying. I always had this unconscious feeling that I don’t really understand what he or some other teachers are saying, like it’s going in one ear and out the other. But I always thought that I will get it one day.

    It only took me noticing that thought for it to fall away, and almost immediately I started to get the simplicity of the teaching. It seems like I’m starting to get the feel of what this “I” actually is.

    To use a metaphor, the enquiring or inwardly focused mind is like the stick that stirs the funeral pyre. It is used to stoke the flames higher, but in the end it will be thrown in too. Or, you use one thorn to pull out another one from your foot, but in the end you throw them both away.

    These days I feel as if I’m not sure or certain of anything and anything I “know” is questionable, relevant or incomplete, and I’m fine with not really knowing. I’m seeing all of this, what could be called “spiritual progress” yet I have a small feeling in the back of my head that says it’s not that big of a deal, that I’m nothing special. I could become a great zen master one day, or I might slip on a banana peel next week and die.

    Am I becoming enlightened, or am I really progressing, or is all of this just a load of BS, I don’t really know. I find myself asking, what is that which doesn’t progress and never get’s enlightened?

    The only answer to the question, “what am I?” is this “seeing” that seems to say, “three is no I, it’s just another thought…” And this seeing is presence, the now, consciousness… I’m stating to get what these words mean now…

    One thing I do feel confident about is that if I’m deluded somehow or deceiving myself, I know life’s going to slap me out of it.

    FROM BILL: Self inquiry, a la Ramana Maharshi (ie, asking “Who am I?” or “Who is walking (talking, eating, breathing, etc)?”) is really a method for seeing (not “knowing” intellectually) that there is no separate self. When you look for the self in this way you ultimately experience that there isn’t one, at least in the sense most people think of it.

    This is a lot like convincing a person who thinks the earth is flat that it actually is a sphere. Instead of just telling him the truth, you say to him, “Of course the earth is flat. Wouldn’t it be fun to go look over the edge?” Then, to make sure you don’t wander around in circles, you have a plan: you head due East, for instance, on a certain line of latitude. When the person gets back to the place where he started, he has to at least admit that the earth is a cylinder.

    In the same way, when you look for the self in a disciplined way, you eventually see that there is no separate self. This throws you into the experience of emptiness.

    As I said in my post (and in more detail in two earlier posts, “The Five Stages of Waking Up” and “So There You Are, Enlightened”, there is more to the journey than this relationship (for want of a better word) with the transcendent. Realizing that there is no self (no separate self would be a better way to describe it, since you DO have a self, which is your IDEA of who you are) is just one step in spiritual realization. Check out those to posts I just mentioned for a more detailed examination of this question.

  6. michelle s Says:

    And here I was thinking “All I want for Christmas is a new blog post!”- and look there it is.

    Thank you for reminding me, and everyone that being human is frustrating. I appreciate this blog, I appreciate the LPIP courses, and of course Holosync- year 4 and I can see how much it’s helped me- and of course- how much further to go.

    Also, I would like to thank you for the economic and social information. Being aware of what is going on- and what is coming helps- by the way- was the book Endgame you were referring to by Derrick Jensen? just starting it- interesting and hardcore at the same time-

    All the best and Thank you,

    Michelle

    FROM BILL: Endgame is by John Mauldin. I am not aware of the book you are reading. The other book to get is “This Time It’s Different” by Rogoff and someone else.

  7. James Dai Says:

    I get the feeling that JC is taking all of these teachers and placing them on a pedestal, he is blindly following the methods (certain types of meditation, certain types of music/chanting, certain ways of living in an ashram) without really understanding what they are meant to reveal about him. And in the process he has been trying to ignore his outer life as if he could find realisation in the eternal plane and then forget about reality.

    The self blame ‘I am missing the most fundamental skills for an internal life,’ I think indicates a too narrow view of what an internal life is. He is looking too hard for his internal life, and is thus missing it. He is not appreciating the true purpose of his internal life, and he is looking for an idealised version of it by the practice of narrowly defined ‘fundamental skills’. He is possibly damaging his ability to use his fundamental skills by the long term frustration he has built up.

    The obsession with ‘inner benefits’ seems to be a sign that he holds more expectations rather than fewer after his practice. He hated expecting things out of the material world so he took his expectations inside, at the same time repressing his expectations about the outer world rather than facing them head on. He seems to regard inner benefits as things he adds onto himself by his hard work, which then possibly might have an effect on his outer world, rather than the inner benefit being a taking away of expectations, of illusions.

    Didn’t Genpo Roshi say something about ‘Great Doubt’?

    FROM BILL: This is what I meant by trying to escape from the human condition.

  8. Jessica Says:

    Bill, I appreciate your choice to post this letter and your answer.
    JC, this letter is poetic and a beautiful description of the human condition. I love this phrase, “tried to do a Jack Kerouac…indulge myself into a sort of wandering, quasi spiritual, substance abusing suicide, inspired by my profound disillusion with worldly life and my failed attempts at a spiritual life.”
    So, consider telling your story to everyone…start publishing if you haven’t already.

  9. Ann Says:

    JC – have you turned to Jesus, that is the missing link. I did and my life has peace regardless of ovarian cancer, adultery by my spouse, etc. My husband found Jesus too and ended his 47 year inner turmoil and depression!!

    Merry Christmas – Its time

    FROM BILL: I’m glad it worked for you.

  10. Frank Says:

    Transcendence of the human condition is as Bill has described: 1) the ability to choose how we feel and 2) the ability to choose how we behave…it is about becoming aware….it is not about avoiding suffering, that is magical thinking. It is about how we choose to feel and behave in spite of the suffering….

    FROM BILL: Except I didn’t say transcendence of the human condition. I said you can’t escape (nor can you transcend) the human condition.

  11. Nancy Says:

    Thank you for Tozan’s 5 stages. This is such an eloquent reminder that we are both spirit and human. Holosync helps us enter the spiritual realm, but we are not meant to leave the human realm. This will happen soon enough. Perhaps JC was right that the only way to achieve and retain the spiritual level he hopes for is to transition from the human to the spirit.

    Love and happy holidays to you all.

  12. RC Says:

    Lesson 9, paragraph 2 of the Accelerated Change Maximizer is what (in my opinion) JC needs to read. I’m not as old but have put the last 20+ years into “seeking” and then being disappointed. I’ve fought suicidal thoughts since I was a kid and have more shadows than I can count.

    I actually did not want to do Bill’s course but reluctantly agreed due to the persuasive abilities of my wife. I’m actually glad I did. Why? Because for the first time in my life I can say I have the tools to “just be.”

    To clarify, I am not saying that I’m as far down the path as Bill, nor am I saying every day is sunshine and roses. What I am saying is that I’ve quit “seeking” and have learned to implement the basic (but brilliant) tools that Bill offers.

    I’ve stopped trying to have everything go my way. I focus on what I desire, and I put in the effort to make it so, and I allow myself to feel whatever emotions arise when I succeed AND when I do not.

    I’ve long since let go of trying to be Mr. Spock. Hell, I’m more emotionally driven than my wife. I’ve also stopped obsessing about how things “should be” and I allow “just being” to be okay.

    This doesn’t mean I’m not out there doing what I can to steer my life in the direction I prefer.

    I also have a very dark side in which I’ve pursued multiple ways of ridding myself of. After 2 decades, I finally realize this part of me isn’t going anywhere. What’s interesting to me is since I’ve stopped fighting it, I’ve found that I can direct this darkness to work for me. Before, I would fight it on every level trying to be happy and “normal.” this would only lead to my darkness overwhelming me and getting totally out of control. Now, I give it a way out. I have certain criteria on how it get’s to “play” but I no longer hold it at bay or try to deny it is there.

    My point is, having thoughts, being angry, or even “living in heaven but going through hell” (as you put it) isn’t a negative thing–unless you choose to make it so.

    My best guess is that when you stop searching, and just allow yourself to “be,” with no labels, or judgments, your perspective will drastically change.

    RC

    FROM BILL: When you disown any part of yourself it comes out in a covert and immature way.

    RC, you are really getting it.

    BTW, the farther down the path you get, the more you see that the path goes nowhere, and there’s no destination.

    Finally, if only you could just tell people what you have just said. But you have to find it out for yourself. Telling someone only helps motivate those who are ready to find out.

  13. Tina Says:

    Even if you experience spiritual enlightenment, the awareness of the human condition is paramount to life. Someone has to pay the bills, buy the food, live the life. And, that’s what enlightenment just might be…living the life.

    At some point you will realize it isn’t so much enlightenment that matters in this life, it’s how you live your life; that is what will define you. The only way to escape the human condition is by dying.

  14. Eric J. Says:

    What a finely composed and articulated dialogue! I’ve had a nice little distinction for several years as a result of my own journey that has provide a bit of solace. The ‘pain’ of life is inevitable but the suffering is optional. What I mean to say is akin to what you wrote Bill in that how I would define ‘suffering’ is the ‘meaning’ that I add to the ‘pain.’ Once you have more facility with noticing the ‘meaning-making-mechanism,’ you really have a lot more power over what ‘gets you.’
    I read the other day that Hemingway had said that “Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.” Part of that may be over-intellectualization that happens in the ever-churning monkey mind of the intelligent and analytic creature. Someone else said that “Life is a Comedy to those who Think and a Tragedy to those who Feel.” Whatever the case is, at some level, as Bill mentioned, it’s critical to get a sense of the meaning we’re adding to things. It’s also sensible to keep in the forefront of our minds something for which we are aiming….a goal..because if you don’t have a goal, your life will be about your problems …and all the associated suffering. Additionally, any psycho-therapist worth their salt (and there are precious few) will tell you that the best remedy for your own suffering is to put your focus on helping others and counting with great enthusiasm your many blessings. What we focus on expands.
    Be Well….Be Happy; There is No Way to Happiness…..Happiness is the Way!
    Eric J.
    Florida

    FROM BILL: Where are all you wise people coming from? I write to warn everyone about the coming bad times and it brings the nut-jobs out of the woodwork to demonize me; I write about spiritual growth and the wise people appear.

  15. Ed Pisko Says:

    This is an excellent post and comments and I admire everyone’s willingness to tell their story and outline their struggles. My path has not been much different and I have studied all the books mentioned and I have been to an ashram and wandered the globe as well. I am now half way through Flowering level 2 and I am happy to say that I was able to give away almost all my spiritual books to my yoga studio several years ago I kept my Krishnamurti books as he keeps me focused. The beauty of Holosync is that you truly eventually live in awareness of every moment. As Bill repeatedly states there is no total escape from problems though. Life is what it is. My unsolicited advice is to enjoy the journey. I enjoyed reading all those books and my yoga practice. Ultimately though it is about continued meditation. There is no goal just awareness. That is your teacher.

    FROM BILL: Another wise person. Is it a coincidence that he is very deep into the Holosync program? I don’t think so.

  16. John Woodyard Says:

    Bill,
    I too have spent a life in the ‘spiritual’ fast lane. I’m now 67 & for me it’s been a most rewarding trip.

    I understand the frustrations that one can encounter on the path of self development. That’s when I usually ‘dump’ the current paradigm / spiritual practice and get into another…or just take a break.

    But, in the long run, I have come away with some wonderful skills and practices which still sustains my being/becoming.

    Even though I’m still doing entheogens along with the disciplines and Holosync….I feel more at peace now than ever. I no longer feel that I must belong to any creed, cult or school to thrive.

    You are correct in pointing out, that we can choose our mode of ‘suffering’…or in my case, I choose to honor my life choices and continue to deal with what comes up.

    I’m grateful for Holosync…because I can choose to just flow with experience every day. I don’t have to push any agenda lf I don’t want to. I can just put on blindfold headphones, breath, relax and ‘bliss’ out…with or without ‘divine substances in my easy chair.

    Thanks for the heads up…what may come. I plan to stay aware and take steps needed to thrive.

    Have you checked out thrivemovement.com yet? Holosync seems a use full too for these times.
    BFree

  17. Terry Says:

    This is a tough one for me.
    I know the want for suicide. It played a huge part in my early life 40 years ago. I was in my late college years and on the night I decided this was it, I layed sobbing, planning, uterly determined, crying “I want to die”. To my utter surprise a “voice” said softly to me , yet to be heard above all the turmoil in my head(and I mean a real voice)…Terry, you don’t want to die…you want to live…really live!. That voice saved me that night because I knew that was the truth!
    For JC, I think that this is that moment. You do not want to die…you want to live…TRULLY LIVE!
    I’d like to say that it was easy from then on but I struggled with depression and fear much of the rest of my life. Don’t get me wrong, I had many successes..a wonderful wife and family and the means to care for them. But it was many years before I ever felt “life was right”. I never since though felt like I wanted to kill myself. I, instead, focused on, I wanted to live…really live.
    Well, I lived my life struggling and reared two great kids (who, for better or worse carry on the struggle). My wife and I had our ups and downs.
    When The Secret came out my wife and I thought it was great. But the greatest thing is that it lead us to Bill Harris and Holosync. I’ve posted before about that so won’t go into the details.
    I have probably had an “easier” path since I went the more routine way of life. I read every self help book on earth and each helped for a time. I didn’t really know about all the things that JC went through.
    The greatest thing I ever did was start the holosync meditation. It has worked wonders for me. I knew after just a few months that it was meaningful when I could drive to work without having a panic attack. Who cares about enlightenment when you can actually breathe and not be fearful of what’s ahead? This has been an amazing gift!
    I went from a job I hated to a job I loved…in the same company with the same boss!
    My wife and I went in one year from having $2000 dollars hidden in the closet to $15000 dollars in the bank (with the $2000 still in the closet). It was a simple matter of being “aware” of where we put our money. (p.s. We waited way too long for this til our late 50′s…start now!)
    I have never felt so connected with others. I always felt completely alone (even when married…we are still married after 36 years and I have never felt as close to my wife as I do now). I actually hug people when I could not bear to be touched by others before.
    I still have some issues with alcohol, but as I watch that it seems to diminish as times goes by. It seems a natural progression. It’s like my mind and body work to keep me cutting back to less and less. Using some great tricks I might add. I haven’t felt so good in years. It’s okay with me.
    In the end, one of the things that Bill has taught me (in this blog as well as in in his Lifes Principles), is that this all fades. I can choose my thoughts and feelings.
    I watch myself struggle each day with this…and Bill is right…the more you watch the more you can change any moment. I just realized I said “I watch “myself” struggle each day with this”…but “I” am not struggling…it’s just this “mind” that so enjoys struggling.
    Every day I say to myself “I am the luckiest man one earth”…every day it proves to be true.
    JC ( and others)…my advice…for what it is worth. Instead of trying to be something that you think you should be, take the advice of a teacher that Bill recommends…Sri Nisargadatta Mahraji…

    “Then I met my Guru, he told me: “You are not what you take yourself
    to be. Find out what you are. Watch the sense ‘I am’, find your real
    Self.” I obeyed him, because I trusted him. I did as he told me. All
    my spare time I would spend looking at myself in silence. And what a
    difference it made, and how soon!

    My teacher told me to hold on to the sense ‘I am’ tenaciously and not
    to swerve from it even for a moment. I did my best to follow his
    advice and in a comparatively short time I realized within myself the
    truth of his teaching. All I did was to remember his teaching, his
    face, his words constantly. This brought an end to the mind; in the
    stillness of the mind I saw myself as I am — unbound.

    I simply followed (my teacher’s) instruction which was to focus the
    mind on pure being ‘I am’, and stay in it. I used to sit for hours
    together, with nothing but the ‘I am’ in my mind and soon peace and
    joy and a deep all-embracing love became my normal state. In it all
    disappeared — myself, my Guru, the life I lived, the world around
    me. Only peace remained and unfathomable silence.

    I step into this whenever I can.

    FROM BILL: Amen. Get a copy of “I Am That” by Nisargadatta Maharaj. Best spiritual book in the world.

  18. Mrs. Health & Prosperity Says:

    Interesting letter, interesting response from Bill (except the ps – sorry, Bill, just can’t go with you on that particular fear-path. Not saying you are wrong – just saying I choose a different perspective. Happily unrealistic for the moment, willing to take or suffer the consequences)

    I’d like to see more emphasis on this point, which you, Bill, brought up in response to Natasha: you said, “…sadness & depression are something you DO, not something you have.” This is such a crucial point, and NOT just about feeling sad & depressed.
    Happiness is something we DO, not have.
    Peaceful feelings are something we DO.

    All this angst that JC is wallowing in is….what he is DOing.

    That’s how it seems to me, t’any rate. I was driving downtown the other day, and thought, “I’m feeling kinda low today.” (I usually choose to be the driver in the car next to you who is smiling at the world. It’s a little thing I do – because good feelings are contagious – to make you feel a littler higher on the ol’ vibrational scale. Wave next time you see me.)

    I thought, “Well, I AM feeling a little low, don’t feel like smiling, could dredge up all kinds of reasons & rationalities for feeling low just now…but, do I want to DO that? Nah.”

    Bill, what’s your perspective on this? Is JC DOing all that angst?

    If he is, as I believe he is, I trust he will decide to DO something different, ’cause feeling low like that is NOT really very much fun – been there, done that, yuck.

    Thank you so much for Holosync – I’m in the first Purification level, and it continues to open my eyes to more of my personally-generated do-do, if you know what I mean. It’s not always much fun, but one thing I DO is, I choose to believe it is helping me be a happier, wiser, and possibly even more enlightened being when I am 65 instead of only 64. Oh Lordy-lordy, us old hippies….

    lovingly submitted, Mrs. Health & Prosperity

    FROM BILL: If you DO angst with awareness, it becomes a choice.

    You assume that acknowledging the world situation and preparing as best as possible to ride it out is a fear-based response. It isn’t. It is a prudent response, and the emotion attached to it could be fear or love.

  19. Phil Says:

    I was a miserable and almost suicidal guy in my mid twenties, even though, on the outside people thought I had it good (pretty girlfriend, playing music for a living, making more than most anyone I knew). Appearances don’t tell the story. What’s important is what’s going on inside of you, especially how you feel. And this is what I didn’t know then, and it’s what I learned that was the HUGE revelation that I have built the rest of my life on.

    How we feel really matters. But it’s not our circumstances or what happens to us that determines how we feel. The thing that determines how we feel is how we think ABOUT our circumstances, experiences, others and ourselves.

    How we think ABOUT things is the crucial determining factor. If you can realize this then you have the basis for improving how you feel about ANYTHING, including YOURSELF.

    If you can really realize that how you think ABOUT anything is the KEY, you can then go on to find a myriad of ways to improve how you think ABOUT things, and thus, improve how you FEEL about anything.

    By the way, as I’ve studied it, Buddha did NOT say life is sufferingl He said, life CONTAINS suffering. So he implied that suffering was NOT something we HAD to always endure. And my life, to me, is surely exemplary of that, because I definiitely do NOT suffer much. Now days most of my life is pretty easy and effortless, and seems to just be getting better and better, though it has its little dips and difficulties.

    As I said, I practice the idea that circumstances do NOT determine how I feel, and I have, for the most part, been able to use that thought to help me whenever difficulties pop up. I like this quote:

    :Every adversity contains within it an equal or greater opportunity.” W. Clement Stone

    For me, it’s always true. Whenever something painful is happening, there is ALWAYS some good to get from it. You may not find it readily, but I’ve found that just keeping the faith that it’s there eventually leads you ‘out of the woods’.

    Know this: Somehow, whevever you’re feeling an emotion, it’s how you think ABOUT whatever you’re thinking about, that causes the feeling. Your feeling is NOT coming from the condition or circumstance. Do you get this distinction?

    For an easy example, think of how some people say they feel sad when it rains. Well, if it were the rain that was causing how they feel we should ALL feel sad whenever it rains Well, I tell you, rain does NOT make ME feel sad So, I know that RAIN can’t be blamed for how anyone feels

    Sure, the person who BELIEVES rain makes them sad will have a hard time understanding that it is NOT the rain. It’s how they think ABOUT rain

    The same goes for anything. How you think ABOUT something causes how you FEEL about it.

    Do you see how understanding this could be a great KEY to enable you to feel better, about yourself, waht’s possible, circumstances and even whatever you’ve experienced or are currently experiecing?

    Here’s another example. Years ago (after learning this principle) I got laid off from a good job. What occurred to me was, I could either think and dwell on the loss, or I could see it as maybe an opportunity to get something even better. What I realized was that however I thought ABOUT it would determine my feelings

    I chose to think constructively ABOUT it, and so felt better than had I thought of what I’d lost, or some other negative possibility. And I believe that because I stayed more to the constructive thoughts and feelings, I had the wherewithal to get thru it, and I did. And I got another job. And things worked out very ok.

    I generally handle all my difficulties in a similar way. And my life seems to steadily be getting more and more fulfilling I’m steadily experiecing more and more good feelings. And really, if you think carefully about it, that’s all we really want.

    We all simply want to experience more good feelings. That’s really what we want. It’s why we want money, or comforts or certain conditions, or just about anything ellse. We simply want to experience more good feelings.

    The thing is, the thing that really causes us to feel however we do is how we think ABOUT things, not the things themsselves.

    So, the reall power is in how we thinkl

  20. Phil Says:

    one more thought on what I posted above:

    “What we are today comes from our thoughts of yesterday, and our present thoughts build our life of tomorrow: Our life is the creation of our mind.” ~ Gautama Buddha

    Consider how your thoughts determine how you FEEL. Once you get this connection you just might be able to grasp:

    What we FEEL today comes from our thoughts of yesterday (our previous ways of looking at things). If we learn to improve how we think today, we will experience better FEELINGS, and it’s these feelings/thoughts that will build our life of tomorrow.

    Consider what would HAVE to happen to your life experience, if you were to decide to consistently improve how you think and FEEL about any or every thing.

    At least try to grasp this: None of the conditions or situations of your life determine how you feel. How you think ABOUT conditions or situations determines how you feel. And you have the capacity and ability to change how you think ABOUT things. Isn’t that so?

    Note: This is NOT positive thinking. It’s not about just saying mantras. It’s about understanding how you are always determining how you FEEL, and how you can then IMPROVE how you feel.

    If you just say some positive thoughts, but don’t come to experience some better feeling, you’re not doing what you need to do to improve your life. But realize this:

    Improving how you feel is a SKILL. And the more you learn about it, and the more you learn ways to do it, the better you can get at it. And, should you get to where you’re experiencing good feelings on a pretty regular basis, you will also find how life starts working for you. You will discover you have more energy and resilience than you thought. You will discover you have more ideas than you thought. You will find it easier to get along with others. You will find it easier to appreciate being you.

    To me, I’m a living testament to the idea: The better you feel, the better life gets.

    And you can learn to feel better, and even get good at feeling good.

  21. Phil Says:

    One caveat about feeling good: You need to learn HEALTHY ways of feeling better. Holosync is one. But so could be exercise, better eating habits, Yoga, stretching, going for walks, conscious breathing, reading or listening to uplifting, inspiring material, as well as learning how to think better.

  22. Kirk Fancher Says:

    Bill…Since we are at the effect of so many causes, do we really have control over what we attract? Sometimes shit just happens. When it does, I can choose how I respond to it, but I don’t think it’s fair to say I “attracted” it.

    FROM BILL: You have control over what signals you give out to others, and you have control of what you become attracted to (that is, if you are aware enough to see how you do it, as you do it, in which case it becomes a choice). You don’t have control over “shit happening.” When I say “attracting” I am not taking about everything that happens to you. I am talking about what you actually DO that causes someone to be attracted to you, as when you flirt and a lady sees it and comes to you, or when you look weak and it attracts a predator.

  23. Ken Says:

    Quote FROM BILL: Where are all you wise people coming from? I write to warn everyone about the coming bad times and it brings the nut-jobs out of the woodwork to demonize me; I write about spiritual growth and the wise people appear.

    What you focus on expands.

    FROM BILL: I was not focusing on nutjobs.

  24. Lynda D Says:

    These are all great posts! It was Leo Tolstoy who said (and I’m paraphrasing): “The secret to happiness is to give happiness to others.” When I think about my life (I just turned 57) I was happiest, and am happiest, when I am giving of myself to other people. I’m a mother, a teacher, a novelist, a loving wife, a dutiful daughter: these are the things that make me happy. I feel connected when I’m giving happiness away to other people.
    As much as I love Holosync (Purification one, disk four) I have learned that too much self-reflection doesn’t suit my Midwestern soul. Ironically, it took a lot of witnessing to get me here!
    But here is my caveat: I refuse to let someone else put me in charge of his or her happiness. This caveat is another great gift from Holosync. I can be the bright spot in somebody’s day and that is more than enough.
    It’s all about discernment. I can love someone and at the same time love myself enough to know when to stand back. And this has made all the difference.

  25. Ed Clark Says:

    Bill, Have you known any Christians to make it to the 5th level of the Tozan or would you say by the 5th level there is no need for a deity?

    FROM BILL: There is no listing of people who have been at any particulr level. What you believe has little to do with any of this.

  26. Barbara, RN Says:

    Dear JC,
    Read your letter and thank you for sharing your journey in life. Answers can be hard to come by in life and we all seem to have our own struggles. Doubt this will be posted but, I know it doesn’t help but I understand some of your problems. We cannot change our history and if you die tomorrow what would you really regret? Not making enough money, or not spending enough time with loved ones? It is very tough in our materialistic world to live outside the “American dream” lifestyle. But I look at all those people frantically running around and wonder are they just keeping themselves so busy and distracting themselves from the hard work and change we all need to go through to evolve. Thank you for attempting this path. It is hard work and hard to do. My own seems to get derail often, life interference and my own laziness. Not sure if we get to know the value of a spiritual practice in this lifetime. It might come afterwards.
    All I am working for is to not come back again. Life has it joys, try to relish them.
    BE-I have had a moto that helps me with the day to day—Life is a b_-_- and then we die. Just make sure that what you do during the b_-_- is what you are here to do. It may be to create a beautiful garden to leave the world. It may be to write a truthful letter on your process that sparks other. It may be a shoulder for a friend to cry on. It may be holding someones hand.

    FROM BILL: Who, exactly, would come back? From where? If you don’t “come back” where will you be then?

  27. catherine H Says:

    A very raw and beautiful account of one man’s suffering. I hope JC comes out the other side…..

    Above all it was really, really helpful.
    Thank you Bill x

  28. Barbara, RN Says:

    Bill,
    If you need more spiritual or other learning what the soul needs or the universe will need to try again in another life, possibly until you get it. Murphy’s law for me, (if reincarnated and live beyond 12 years will have to go through being a teenager again–just imagine–what a nightmare). If you don’t come back to this planet as a human anyway, nirvana maybe, just not having to come back again and do this again would be like “heaven” for some of us. Example JC and a few other that have written. I am a middle age woman who has graduated with my RN this year but because of various reason, cannot get a job along with a whole bunch of other new grads. I keep having this learning problem. Don’t listen to everything society tells you. Last time I graduated from college, no jobs then either. I am just a silly example of trying to find peace in a life that has not worked well. Have a feeling there are lots of us out there. And JC expressed the frustration with dedicating his life to a path and feeling empty closer to the end of life. Not an easy path to take. Few understand.
    Sorry for the long winded reply. I hope JC is doing okay and feeling a little better this holiday season.

  29. Graham Says:

    Regarding the PS -

    A thrill to see that my silent life coach, through holosync and LPIP, is a believer in Elliott theory, which is one of my main tools for making a living.

    It may help the hesitant to act on your advice, to state that the same socionomic model that has foreseen the tough times ahead, also has a bright side. It is cyclical.. And the probabilities show that the seeds of a prosperous economy and increasing positive social mood will be dramatically improving by the end of the decade.. For a good number of years at least.

    What does it hurt to take some friendly Advice to get out of the fire, prepare at least a bit so you can coast through the tough times, and be in a much better position to help yourself and others, financially and socially, at the end of the decade.

    Just a thought. Merry Christmas.

  30. Kirk Fancher Says:

    I completely agree that I have control over the signals I send out to people. How others respond to those signals is their choice, though. But I understand that if, for example, I’m sending out signals of being a pushover and people are constantly walking all over me, then I need to look at my role. In general, if there are effects in my life which I don’t want, I need to look at how I may be helping to cause them. I think that the “Law of Cause and Effect” is much more valid than the “Law of Attraction.” “Attraction” has such a passive connotation, IMO.

    Anywat, Bill, thanks for all you do and have a Merry Christmas.

    FROM BILL: If you give off signs that you are a pushover, you will attract people who are looking for a pushover to push over.

  31. Sam Says:

    Merry Christmas everyone! Here’s hoping that loving kindness be freely gifted to all, and may we be open to receive what comes our way. Most of all here’s hoping that we sing the tune of loving kindness this Christmas holiday–no matter what faith–and allow the spirit and cheer to flow. Love and laugh.

  32. Gabriella Jakubowicz Says:

    Dear J.C.
    I suggest you have a look at the websites of Jo Dunning, Patricia Cota-Robles, Richard Presser, Healing with the Masters and/or Abraham/Hicks.
    They are all very uplifting and I’m sure you could find something inspiring for you.
    Don’t give up, it’s worth while.
    Kind regards and all the best
    Gabriella

  33. rosario Says:

    ciao bill.
    please,
    we have only to WATCH how we create 1) how we feel, 2) how we behave, 3) which people and situations we attract or become attracted to, and 4) what meanings we assign to what happens
    or
    we also have to THINK to find and give the best “meaning” to the situations to get what we want, THINKING to find and take the best “action” to the situation to get what we want, etc… ?
    thank you.
    i wish you and to all holosync user a fantastic 2012.
    rosario

  34. Carlos Says:

    FROM BILL: If you give off signs that you are a pushover, you will attract people who are looking for a pushover to push over.

    The saddest thing is that part of you will enjoy it.

    Carlos

  35. Santiago Says:

    Great post, here’s an essay I wrote that elucidates what I think Bill is trying to point out from another angle.

    THE IMPERSONAL PERSONALITY
    Santiago Santai Jiménez B.

    When we speak about spiritual practice we often hear a call to transcendence, we want to transcend ourselves, our problems, even our life and the world. We attempt to transcend our suffering so that we can find liberation, Nirvana, that state that is beyond suffering, as The Buddha promised.

    We also hear that the cause of this suffering is our attachment to things, people, situations, ideas, etc. that due to the impermanent nature of form will change and eventually disappear, causing us great distress in the process. So then we embark on the noble quest to free ourselves from this suffering and discover our true nature, the ground of being, an emptiness that is infinitely open, spacious, impersonal and therefore free from the problems of the ego. We think that if we become impersonal enough we wont suffer the personal losses of those forms we are attached to. We see that they are all essentially empty, like figures of smoke; it’s only a dream.

    Maezumi Roshi who was my teacher’s teacher (also Bill’s teacher) used to say that the practice of Buddhism is about becoming inhuman. But how do we become “inhuman”?

    Almost inevitably, this attempt to find Nirvana is understood as a way to “escape” from this life, to escape from the material world, full of pain, sickness, old age, delusion, loss, disappointment and death. This material world that keeps giving us thirty blows no matter what we do, as a famous Zen koan puts it. So we seek refuge in our practice, in our meditation or in special states of consciousness that “detach” our selves from all this misery.

    And if we practice with enough dedication we might actually succeed in doing so, we might find this precious treasure of Nirvana, and somewhat ironically, we will discover that it has always been there, underneath all of our problems and tribulations. The ever present, timeless Big Mind, the open clear sky behind the dark clouds. In this state we just witness all manifestations as the dance of Spirit, which is our true Self. In this place we are free from concepts such as good or bad, and our small personal and suffering self is seen – or even disregarded – as a mere passing and temporary illusion.

    But contrary to what we might think, spiritual practice when carried forward does not result in escaping form life, but its actually escaping into life. It is through living our life in the deepest possible way that we transcend it. To be inhuman in this sense does not mean to escape life, but to live life so deeply that its ever changing, empty nature is revealed to us. When we live our life in this way we have no choice but to transcend it, dissolving ourselves in it, we become it.
    Just like science transcends itself only through more science, we transcend our humanity only by being fully human, fully ourselves.

    In this way of living there is no time to fixate ourselves in a permanent position. We disappear along with the world, moment by moment, into emptiness, but only to reappear again along with a world that is now so intimate that we can’t find the place where we end and this world begins, we are completely one with it, no longer a permanent and isolated person possessing a defined, unchanging essence, but rather an ever changing, empty personality, that even though its full of obvious imperfections, its a clear expression of the perfection of the creative Source. Or as Master Rinzai said, we find that authentic person inside each and every one of us that has no place to stand.

    In this way of living life everything is so personal that it becomes impersonal, and a deep and powerful love grows that goes beyond form, and yet not detached from form, but instead so much with form that form and emptiness are no longer separate.

    Then we see that the infinite can only be expressed through every finite sentient and insentient being. The limitless, unborn Buddha nature can only manifest through our limited, borne and dying human nature

  36. Ken Says:

    Bill,

    You seem to me to be at Tozan’s 5th stage, or thereabouts, judging from your comments over the years about integrating the relative with the transcendent. Were you able to reach your stage through holosync and your LPIP process alone or was additional work required? If so, what other kind of spiritual practice was required, for those of us who want another mountain to climb after HS and LPIP?

    Ken

    FROM BILL: I am not claiming any stage. Use Holosync. Pay attention to how you create your life.

  37. Zebbedee Says:

    Bill,

    In response to a recent blog comment (at the end of Handbasket pt3) you wrote : “Any massive change that happens is going to be a dark change. Later, much later, when things are so dark that everyone has given up hope, only then will things will begin to improve. Watch for the time when NO ONE has ANY hope. That’s when the change to the positive will begin.”

    The way you emphasised the ‘no hope’ aspect with caps… I am guessing this is a specific part of social mood theory.

    Now I am trying to imagine what this could look and feel like in a Western democracy. Are there any recent precedents you could point us to to help us envisage it… Is the Great Depression, for instance, a good example of a time when no one had any hope?

    And, care to hazard a guess as to when we can expect this bottom point? If this downward trend is as big as the previous upward one then we have quite a few very bad decades ahead of us.

    By the way, looking forward to your World Tipping Point interview tonight.
    http://worldwidetippingpoint.com/2011/10/tipping-point-interview-schedule/

    Regards

    Zebbedee

    FROM BILL: The 1930s would be an example of a downturn in social mood one degree smaller than what we are experiencing now. For a better example of what we may be facing, pick up a copy of A Distant Mirror, by historian Barbara Tuchman. This book is about the 1300s, which I believe is the last time a downturn of this degree happened. It was characterized by the Black Plague, the Hundred Years War, a violent peasant uprising, knights becoming brigands, and all kinds of other grim stuff. Obviously in the 21st century things will unfold in a different way, but this book shows what happens when things are so bad people become hopeless.

    Some kind of bottom is expected in 2016-17, at which point there would be an upturn in social mood, but that will be followed by another downturn. The overall trend is, unfortunately, going to be down for quite some time. You are correct in citing the size of the preceding boom as a clue to the size of the negative social mood to follow.

  38. Nick Says:

    You may enjoy this article Bill:
    http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/06/08/240372/tom-friedman-the-great-disruption/

    FROM BILL: This is the sort of thing that people say in times of negative social mood. Though there will be many dire things that will happen, this sort of apocalyptic view will, as in the past, prove to be overdone.

  39. Linda S Says:

    Well—Holysync helped me calm down. –after 6 mo or so my aunt saw me and said- wow what are you doing you look soo different you have calmed down
    —upsetting things still happen. —i just dont try to enforce my soloutions or viewpoint– i still seem to have made some not so good choices
    and yet –i know no matter what happens —i dont freak out about it —i just
    keep moving along just knowing nothing stays the same and ill just deal with it as it happens—sometimes i do better than others— one thing for sure. i dont live in fear—that has dissolved—and when things happen it is eaiser to ask myself : whats great about this and i find a soloution quicker than before—- law of attraction is eaiser to apply— i do more things to keep my vibration higher—- im not 100 where i desire. and yet i am not stuck like i was before—-i think my. ADD stlye of living has lessened— i can fuction better— i will keep on. keeping on. –I am an. illustrator— musician— poet— minister —metaphysician.—i do see myself miving into more of a teaching role. —-thank you for holysync —-peace and blessings to. all

  40. Dave S Perkins Says:

    Well I’ve added your economic book recommendations to my save for later list with Amazon; a decision based purely on the surprisingly enjoyable experience of your previous recommendations. Do you or Richard Martin have any recommendations for the overcoming of bottleneck thinking that many of us have deeply ingrained experience’s of-across the spectrum and fields of objections embedded within our multitudes of various cultural indoctrinations. I have to apparently wait to take your later courses that will likely cover such topics (ho-hum).

    Being referred to as a nut-job is a compliment of the highest magnitude for those of us (who-ever we may be) that adopt an any means available approach in getting the desired results.

    FROM BILL: The answer to every human question that has an answer is awareness. If you are acting from “indocrination” then you are not acting with awareness–you are acting automatically. Become more aware. Use Holosync.

  41. Dan Says:

    Terry Said:

    This is a tough one for me.
    I know the want for suicide. It played a huge part in my early life 40 years ago. I was in my late college years and on the night I decided this was it, I layed sobbing, planning, uterly determined, crying “I want to die”. To my utter surprise a “voice” said softly to me , yet to be heard above all the turmoil in my head(and I mean a real voice)…Terry, you don’t want to die…you want to live…really live!. That voice saved me that night because I knew that was the truth!
    For JC, I think that this is that moment. You do not want to die…you want to live…TRULLY LIVE!
    I’d like to say that it was easy from then on but I struggled with depression and fear much of the rest of my life. Don’t get me wrong, I had many successes..a wonderful wife and family and the means to care for them. But it was many years before I ever felt “life was right”. I never since though felt like I wanted to kill myself. I, instead, focused on, I wanted to live…really live.
    Well, I lived my life struggling and reared two great kids (who, for better or worse carry on the struggle). My wife and I had our ups and downs.
    When The Secret came out my wife and I thought it was great. But the greatest thing is that it lead us to Bill Harris and Holosync. I’ve posted before about that so won’t go into the details.
    I have probably had an “easier” path since I went the more routine way of life. I read every self help book on earth and each helped for a time. I didn’t really know about all the things that JC went through.
    The greatest thing I ever did was start the holosync meditation. It has worked wonders for me. I knew after just a few months that it was meaningful when I could drive to work without having a panic attack. Who cares about enlightenment when you can actually breathe and not be fearful of what’s ahead? This has been an amazing gift!
    I went from a job I hated to a job I loved…in the same company with the same boss!
    My wife and I went in one year from having $2000 dollars hidden in the closet to $15000 dollars in the bank (with the $2000 still in the closet). It was a simple matter of being “aware” of where we put our money. (p.s. We waited way too long for this til our late 50′s…start now!)
    I have never felt so connected with others. I always felt completely alone (even when married…we are still married after 36 years and I have never felt as close to my wife as I do now). I actually hug people when I could not bear to be touched by others before.
    I still have some issues with alcohol, but as I watch that it seems to diminish as times goes by. It seems a natural progression. It’s like my mind and body work to keep me cutting back to less and less. Using some great tricks I might add. I haven’t felt so good in years. It’s okay with me.
    In the end, one of the things that Bill has taught me (in this blog as well as in in his Lifes Principles), is that this all fades. I can choose my thoughts and feelings.
    I watch myself struggle each day with this…and Bill is right…the more you watch the more you can change any moment. I just realized I said “I watch “myself” struggle each day with this”…but “I” am not struggling…it’s just this “mind” that so enjoys struggling.
    Every day I say to myself “I am the luckiest man one earth”…every day it proves to be true.
    JC ( and others)…my advice…for what it is worth. Instead of trying to be something that you think you should be, take the advice of a teacher that Bill recommends…Sri Nisargadatta Mahraji…

    “Then I met my Guru, he told me: “You are not what you take yourself
    to be. Find out what you are. Watch the sense ‘I am’, find your real
    Self.” I obeyed him, because I trusted him. I did as he told me. All
    my spare time I would spend looking at myself in silence. And what a
    difference it made, and how soon!

    My teacher told me to hold on to the sense ‘I am’ tenaciously and not
    to swerve from it even for a moment. I did my best to follow his
    advice and in a comparatively short time I realized within myself the
    truth of his teaching. All I did was to remember his teaching, his
    face, his words constantly. This brought an end to the mind; in the
    stillness of the mind I saw myself as I am — unbound.

    I simply followed (my teacher’s) instruction which was to focus the
    mind on pure being ‘I am’, and stay in it. I used to sit for hours
    together, with nothing but the ‘I am’ in my mind and soon peace and
    joy and a deep all-embracing love became my normal state. In it all
    disappeared — myself, my Guru, the life I lived, the world around
    me. Only peace remained and unfathomable silence.

    I step into this whenever I can.

    Dan: Truely a heart-felt and moving post Terry. Thank you!

    I can relate to so much of your experience. I have noticed more and more as time goes on, and as I move deeper into Holosync and learning to “just watch”, how even the “bad” things life have their part in the dance. And that the idea that they are “bad” is in fact just that…an idea created in “my” mind! And thus the suffering I feel over those things is coming from me and my own to resistance to what is. This has given me “choice”, as Bill says, in my own suffering. This is drasticaly different from my experience of life before starting the program where the source of my suffering was always “out there.”

    As for the inescapable suffering that is simply a part being human, resulting from cause-and-effect and impermenance, I am “slowly” learning to embrace even that. And I am realizing that no matter how aware one becomes, life has a certain degree of suffering built into it. In other words there is no escape from certain “problems”. The key then, if there is a key, is to quit making them a problem.

    Peace,

    Dan

  42. Spence Says:

    Sex, drugs and rock and roll (taken in MODERATION) ARE fun..You get a KICK out of them…You’re not looking for any “growth” or “self” improvement…You simply enjoy them as experiences that can put you in the present moment…
    Meditating,reading, and LIFE in general, can have the same sense of fun, IF,…you can forgo this ATTACHMENT TO RESULTS..You enjoy the process itself….As long as one is seeking, hoping to ACQUIRE something, DUKKHA (suffering) will be created..Seekers feel a constant lack…they are GRASPING and CRAVING..always waiting, hoping to “arrive”- fearing the now.. .Looking for “meaning” only fosters frustration…If you can rest in that space…be comfortable..in that space…of NOT knowing…and not HAVING to know….peace will permeate..
    Rituals are not necessary…All one has to do to feel the bliss that just is , is simply to wake up to the now,,,the”isness” of the moment…

  43. Rebecca Says:

    Learning how to get the lesson and let go of the pain has been the most valuable change I have had through LPIP. It is interesting to see how what I am attracted to is so different now, and how the remnants of previous choices are in a holding pattern… being rechosen and watching watching watching… wondering how many more times…counting even is a distraction…and still being okay with the counting and the watching myself count.. because I know…it’s all okay, and there isn’t a right. I prefer, right now, to learn how to watch. I’m not attracted (any longer) to being the girl in pain, or the girl who is sad. So now I am watching ‘Angry sarcastic girl’. So many layers. So wonderful. And the other thing is.. which I am just now realizing…no one or no thing can EVER challenge me as much as I can challenge myself. Thank you for Centerpointe.

  44. Daniel B Says:

    So are you saying that if we may being feelimg a sense of hopelessness Maybe social mood is the reason and that if we are aware enough we can step out of it? Then so when we meet others who we might care about we can help them step out of the mood. I imagine you become quite attrqctive to others if you one of the few not caught in the neg mood. There will probably be a few cults pop up when people get so hopeless

  45. AlanH Says:

    Bill,

    Are there any LPIP seminars planned for this year like there was last year? I remember last year u having a 3 day or so seminar for LPIP grads. I ask cause meeting u is on my bucket list

    FROM BILL: Nothing is planned right now. Perhaps this coming summer.

  46. Dan Says:

    Spence wrote: Sex, drugs and rock and roll (taken in MODERATION) ARE fun..You get a KICK out of them…You’re not looking for any “growth” or “self” improvement…You simply enjoy them as experiences that can put you in the present moment…
    Meditating,reading, and LIFE in general, can have the same sense of fun, IF,…you can forgo this ATTACHMENT TO RESULTS..You enjoy the process itself….As long as one is seeking, hoping to ACQUIRE something, DUKKHA (suffering) will be created..Seekers feel a constant lack…they are GRASPING and CRAVING..always waiting, hoping to “arrive”- fearing the now.. .Looking for “meaning” only fosters frustration…If you can rest in that space…be comfortable..in that space…of NOT knowing…and not HAVING to know….peace will permeate..
    Rituals are not necessary…All one has to do to feel the bliss that just is , is simply to wake up to the now,,,the”isness” of the moment…

    Dan: Well said Spence. I have found that the Sedona Method is a great practical tool one can use to experience what you’re talking about. Simply let go of wanting/desiring for:

    Approval
    Control
    Safety
    To change things as a they are
    To figure things out/know the answers

    When you do, as outlined in the Method, and I am fully do this, all that’s let is peace, silence, stillness, etc. The opposite of desire.

    The Sedona Method has been for me a great adjunct to using Holosync.

  47. Ken Says:

    Bill,

    Did you do that interview for world tipping point on tuesday at 530pm pst?

    I went to the website at that time to listen a bit but could find nothing listed anywhere about how to listen in.

    In fact, comments on the website were asking the same questions and indicated todd goldfarb might have abandoned the site as nothing new has been posted in weeks. Very strange…

    FROM BILL: The inteview I did (and all the interviews by the other people) were recorded weeks ago. I don’t know much about what they are doing. People call me for interviews, I do them, and often am too busy to follow up on the event they are a part of.

  48. Terry Says:

    I’m going back to JC’s original post. I suggested before that you might be trying too hard. I went through this also. I don’t think that any of the posts are actually adressing your pain (except perhaps Bill’s). I know my post was pretty much all about me.
    JC, we are about the same age. I know that after 30 years at the same job that the “fun” isn’t really there any more. It’s a great job..but not much fun.
    I think you are finally looking for some “fun” in life. Those of us our age are not programmed for that…we were taught to please others, to give more than we were asked, that we should not put ourselves above others, don’t speak unless spoken to.
    I think, JC, that you are doing all of that. STOP!
    When you feel the “despair”. Look at it honestly. Let it be. You are judging yourself on what “others” believe is right. What it “right” to you?
    To me it’s okay that my mind is in hyperdrive and accusing me and digging up painful memories. Holosync has done wonders in making this all okay.
    As my mind wanders, I often say…Literally – outloud…”who are you talking to Terry” ? “Nobody is interested”!
    JC…please don’t kill yourself.
    There is a better place for you. It is now.
    Take Bill’s word that holosync will help. If you need more call the help lines.
    If you need more…email me at yodelman@mac.com

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  50. Ken Says:

    I second what Dan says that Spence wrote a great post about the grasping mind. I’ve read that concept before but do not by any means live it. It’s a great reminder.

    HS has helped me quite a bit in many, many ways but I still find myself consumed with desire for more–I’ll be content when I have this certain amount in the bank, reach this level of health, etc.

    Bill, serious question, does your LPIP program address this grasping mind issue in some way?

    FROM BILL: I suppose it does. Don’t, however, disown the grasping mind. It’s part of being human. If the grasping mind is “causing you trouble” it’s because you have tried to suppress it. It is part of your human equipment. Without it you would die. But when you try to suppress it because you think it is the enemy, it will come out in dysfunctional and covert ways. That is what you are experiencing. Go read my pat post “What’s Hiding In Your Shadows” for more about this.

  51. Santiago Says:

    Nice presentation about new economies, new definitions of wealth and the possible development of new currencies. The present recession is seen here more like a transition to new systems.

    http://prezi.com/xmzld_-wayho/new-economy-new-wealth/?mid=5616

    FROM BILL: Which is, unfortunately, like saying that World War 2 led to some great new technologies and medical breakthroughs. True, but what about all the people who suffered?

  52. Richard Martin Says:

    Ken,

    I’ve been meditating with many aspects of the “grasping mind” over the last two weeks or so. Bill is right, it’s part of our human equipment. It is desire to succeed, to improve our condition, to improve the condition of others that propels society and our lives. Without a grasping mind, desire, drive to succeed and to improve, we’d be like lumps of clay.

    The objective is to see the grasping mind for what it is, rather than try to suppress it. Big Mind is very helpful in this regard, and I often “big mind” myself during meditation with Holosync. I allow myself to experience the grasping mind, or envy, or dissatisfaction, or any aspect of the self that I’m finding unpleasant. I just watch it and let it be. I tell myself I’m the grasping mind, fully owned, awakened and embodied, as Genpo roshi would have us do in Big Mind, and let what comes up come up. It’s surprising.

    Rich

    FROM BILL: Well said.

  53. Richard Martin Says:

    Dave S. Perkins,

    You’ve asked me or Bill for a recommendation on overcoming “bottleneck thinking.” I presume you want a book to read to widen your horizons? I’d say read anything that will challenge you intellectually or emotionally. If you believe in God, read refutations of religion and atheistic tracts. If you are an atheist, read well reasoned and presented arguments for the existence of God and the benefits of religion. If you find something bothersome, for instance racism, read about the origins of racism. If you believe in global warming, read books that debunk it. If you think global warming is a conspiracy by ecologists, read their books. Don’t accept one point of view, but challenge yourself to find out as many aspects of a problem or topic as you can reasonably do while going on with your life.

    Hope that helps,

    Rich

  54. Dan Says:

    I second what Dan says that Spence wrote a great post about the grasping mind. I’ve read that concept before but do not by any means live it. It’s a great reminder.

    HS has helped me quite a bit in many, many ways but I still find myself consumed with desire for more–I’ll be content when I have this certain amount in the bank, reach this level of health, etc.

    Bill, serious question, does your LPIP program address this grasping mind issue in some way?

    FROM BILL: I suppose it does. Don’t, however, disown the grasping mind. It’s part of being human. If the grasping mind is “causing you trouble” it’s because you have tried to suppress it. It is part of your human equipment. Without it you would die. But when you try to suppress it because you think it is the enemy, it will come out in dysfunctional and covert ways. That is what you are experiencing. Go read my pat post “What’s Hiding In Your Shadows” for more about this.

    Dan: I totally agree with Bill, there is nothing “wrong” with wanting or having for that matter. The SM has simply given me a tool to examine my own thoughts/desires and to watch how they are creating my experience.

    Of course I still want things – as Bill said that is a part of being human. I just now can let go of the “lacking” feel those desires create as I go after the things I want; if that makes sense….

    Happy New Year everybody!

    Dan

    FROM BILL: Make a list of all the human qualities you think are bad or wrong. You have them all, but you’ve repressed them (or at least tried to) because someone — most likely parents — told you they were wrong and backed it up with some sort of negative reinforcement ranging from quite subtle to very overt. As I said, when you try to push these aspects of humanity out of your awareness, when you try not to have them, THAT is when they expressed themselves is screwed up ways. Own them as being yet another part of who you are as a human being and they will mature into something positive. See my earlier posts about this, especially “What’s Hiding in Your Shadows?”

  55. Santiago Says:

    I guess wherever there’s an inflow somewhere, there’s an outflow somewhere else. Part of the problem is trying to resist this cycles (which make them go more slowly and painfully) another part of the problem is believing with absolute certainty that we can accurately predict how this changes will occur.

    Grasping to systems or theories that claim to predict what will happen creates suffering. Denying rationality and clinging to unsupported hope also creates suffering.

    Like you have been saying for a while, whenever there is life, there is some amount of suffering. Learning to see ourselves as the flow of life diminishes our suffering, resisting this flow increases it.

    FROM BILL: You see quite resistant to accepting that there are patterns in human history and action, and that they ARE predictive–not of EXACTLY what will happen, but what KINDS of things will happen. I have never said exactly what will happen. That you keep bringing this up is YOUR stuff. And, resisting the fact that knowing about past history does tell you what is likely to happen causes YOU suffering.

    History doesn’t repeat, but it does rhyme.

  56. RMW Says:

    Bill,

    Thank you, thank you, thank you

  57. RMW Says:

    A little new years quote by Rumi that people might like – there are many more beautiful quotes on his wikiquote page… http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Rumi

    Little by little, wean yourself. This is the gist of what I have to say. From an embryo, whose nourishment comes in the blood, move to an infant drinking milk, to a child on solid food, to a searcher after wisdom, to a hunter of more invisible game.

    Think how it is to have a conversation with an embryo. You might say, “The world outside is vast and intricate. There are wheatfields and mountain passes, and orchards in bloom. At night there are millions of galaxies, and in sunlight the beauty of friends dancing at a wedding.” You ask the embryo why he, or she, stays cooped up in the dark with eyes closed. Listen to the answer.

    There is no “other world.” I only know what I’ve experienced. You must be hallucinating.

    - Rumi

  58. Yvette Johnson Says:

    JC’s tachers seem to have neglected teaching him a fundemental truth of the spiritual path: the cause of suffering is DESIRE. As long as we focus our energy on attaining transcendance, or inner peace, or any kind of spiritual high, we will inevitably create more suffering for ourselves and sabotage our efforts.
    I would say something similar about JC’s dissatisfaction with his ability to maintain prolonged inner focus, or to acquire “the most fundamental skills for an internal life,” or to find love and happiness. We all want to feel we are making progress, that we are doing the right thing, and are on the right path. We want to feel we are good and admirable. But this is just another form of desire, and at bottom it is ego-based.
    What we need to do is become aware of our yearnings (and, as Bill said, our narcissism,) to acknowledge them without blame, and to understand that they are actually an obstacle to our spiritual progress. Then we able to make the choice to let go of them and to focus on the here and now. Rejoice that we have received a precious human existencet, that we are on the spiritual path, that we have found such amazing teachers, and that we have been fortunate enough to have some glimpse of transcendance. Think with love and devotion of our Gurus, our fellow-seekers, and the wise and wonderful teachings we have received. There, we may find both joy and peace

    FROM BILL: Yvette, I think you hve missed the point. Desire does not cause suffering. The ego is not bad, nor does it cause suffering. Yearning is not an obstacle to spiritual progress.

    All these things are normal human qualities. And, if fact, without them you would not survive. They are NECESSARY human qualities.

    Yes, when you desire something there is suffering inherent in doing so because allthings are impermanent. But if you don’t desire, why be here? Life has zero juice, no joy, without desire (and, you wouldn’t seek what you ned to survive without it). The double bind of human existance is that many things that are keys to survival and a happy life are also not always attainable, and once attained don’t last, but you can’t get by without striving for them.

    The key is to desire, to strive, WITH AWARENESS. Awareness create choice. If you desire with awareness, you CHOOSE your suffering. Suffering is inevitable, but not because of desiring. Suffering in inevitable, period. The question isn’t whether or not you will suffer, but rather whether or not, as a human being, you will suffer automatically, without choice, or gain the awareness needed to be able to choose your suffering.

    Please, stop demonizing desire, the ego, and the other parts of being human that your spiritual teachers and parents convinced you were wrong or inappropriate. Embrace everyone about being human.

  59. Santiago Says:

    I think its really important to study the patterns of human history and learn from them, not resist them. The problem with clinging to this theories is that they tend to narrow the scope of possibilities – not to mention our deeply rooted tendency to want to be right in our predictions (like saying that there will be war and the like).

    It would be very naive to deny the possibility of all the dark stuff that might happen and its crucial that we prepare for such a possibility. It’s also crucial to have an open mind and to allow for new possibilities, conditions are changing, the environment is changing, people are changing, humanity has never lived in the conditions we live today. Clinging to certainty IMO doesn’t help at all (it only helps to satisfy our need to be right).

    For me a good choice is not to be an optimist OR a pessimist. Just try to stay open, do the work and become more aware, keep learning and using rationality, but realizing the limits of our current rationality – and not replacing this limits with magical thinking, but rather with more trust in the unknown. Who knows how it will all unravel ? We live in very exiting times.

    FROM BILL: You’re reading alot into this. It is not optimism or pessimism. You are assuming that saying that something is happening that is undesirable is pessimism, or that something is happening that is desirable is optimism. This is just realism, objectivism.

    This is also not about predictions. Howver, predictions can be made, just as you can predict that in the winter it will get colder and in the winter it will get warmer. There are patterns humans have noticed, and they are useful.

    Also, this IS reading the patterns of history. And EVERY time social mood becomes negative, war follows. Find me an exception if you can. Only someone who doesnt’ know history could say what you are saying.

    Santiago, you are adding your own interpretations to what I am saying and then arguing against them.

  60. Ken Says:

    Wow, thanks for the wonderful advice Bill and everybody else who chimed in. You’ve all given me some great ideas to work with. Yes, where did all these wise chaps come from all of a sudden? I must say I don’t miss the environmentalist wackos giving you an earful everyday, Bill.

  61. Margo Jamieson Says:

    Good grief. I just signed up today.

    “Social mood will become increasingly darker – conflicts between groups . . etc. etc. Get over yourselves. Do some of you ever think of anybody but yourselves? What about the idea of what you are focusing on is what you are getting. Really wonder about this program. Try reaching out to do something for someone else.
    It does wonders for your peace of mind.

    FROM BILL: If you are assuming that social mood becomes dark because of what I am focusing on, you are incorrect. This is about noticing the patterns of history so as to step OUT of them–by being aware, you make your mood a choice instead of being sucked along with the rest of the herd.

  62. joel Says:

    I agree with Bill, the secret can actually do more damage then good.

    That dam book !!! It is made for the weak minded. I used to believe in myself, I used to fight for what I believed in and wanted in life. Then I read it. It makes you think you need to have all these other things to be happy, it makes you forget that maybe you are already a strong person. Its full of all these silly solutions for weak minded people. It really made me believe that there was better out there for me. I used to know who I was, what I wanted and that no one would stop me. How does one get out of this devils circle created by the secret. How strange that a book meant to be about empowerment and believing in oneself can completely do the opposite thing. I wish I could go back to the day I opened that book and simply decided to close it.

    FROM BILL: You are the victim of ideas you read in a book? Really.

    What is “true” about The Secret: Your mind had a lot of influence on what you create externally (and, for that matter, internally).

    What is “wrong” about The Secret: You cannot change cause and effect with your mind. Cause and effect can be influenced in some cases, but it is with your actions that you influence it. You mind, though, is the starting point for your actions.

  63. Maya Pavarti Says:

    “Now, as I have said, there are SOME things you can (or, rather, could) have some control over or choice about, because you create those those things. While you don’t create what the sun does, or that you need air to survive, or whether or not there is an earthquake, or the actions political leaders take that affect you, you do create 1) how you feel, 2) how you behave, 3) which people and situations you attract or become attracted to, and 4) what meanings you assign to what happens.

    These four things are NOT a choice, however, unless you have the awareness to see how you create them, as you do it. This is what the first Life Principles Integration Process course is about: how you can become aware of how you create these things. When you do that, these four things become a choice.”

    Best selling author & Neuroscientist David Eagleman said there is no visible mechanism of choice in the brain. How do you explain choice? Note even Einstein was a determinist, was Tozen smarter than Einstein?

    What you call choice is actually a complex pattern of learned inhibitions in the neocortex that carve a neural path of responses to stimuli, what you might call strategies in your online course. So please explain to me what you mean when you say those four things become a choice.

    FROM BILL: Yes, without awareness, choice is just as you describe. With awareness, those four things DO become a choice. You choose what to have for breakfast, don’t you? And, yes, you use criteria stored in your nervous system, which is designed to help you make better choices. That’s why you have one–more of the organisms with better choice-making mechanisms live to reproduce. The point isn’t whether you can choose, but whether you choose in the way you described, or become aware enough to choose consciously.

    By the way, your description of the nervous system is a favorite among behaviorists. They have, however, only one piece of the puzzle, and behaviorism is no longer the most favored theroy of human behavior.

    And, also by the way, I know who you are. This is your last post under this alias. Why don’t you bother a different group of people for a while?

  64. Santiago Says:

    So according to social mood theory, would you say that war within our life time is inevitable?

    FROM BILL: Are you kidding?? There are probably at least a dozen wars happening right now. Not counting “local wars” and just counting ones the US has been in I’ve live through the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the war in Panama, two Iraqi Wars, and the Afganistan War, and I’m probably forgetting some. War is a constant for human beings. And, in every downturn in social mood I know of over about 5000 years of recorded history, a major war has always resulted. Do you really think some sort of “Age of Aquarius” miracle will prevent one from happening now?

  65. bio Says:

    This talk from Alan Watts: http://youtu.be/INVjMaoA-yg (I don’t know that you want to listen to it, since it’s an hour long) explains exactly what’s going on today, whereas elliott waves really explain nothing at all (other than being an indicator, which of course is of little or no value at all, since they say nothing about the origins and the drivers of the malfunction).

    FROM BILL: You, of course, are an ardent student of Elliot Wave theory and Socionomics, and also an expert on Alan Watts. By the way, I have every known recorded talk of Alan Watts and have heard them all scores of times (I know his son).

    What you are saying is just plain uninformed ignorance. Please learn something about what you are discussing and THEN speak.

  66. Dave S Perkins Says:

    Thank you Richard.

    I decided to ask myself the question – who apart from the usual rich entertainers, aristocracy and so on seem to always do rather well in life and one of the major answers it appears to myself –people who have studied law; they always seem to appear in an extremely large range of professions (other than law); this led me to the next question – what is it about the study of law (which Bill has only mentioned in terms of protection and Liberty) that allows for this later diversity and success in so many other professional and non-professional fields – The allegedly dead language of Latin that underpins all the major languages of Europe is my answer – so I’m now keeping a cheap Latin dictionary available and will reference it to give new meaning to my English vocabulary. Also as with the World becoming a smaller place through modern technologies, I thought I would brush up on Language theory (Learning alternate Languages has always been a weakness, but I’ve a feeling that Holosync usage and some basic knowledge of Latin may just change that).

    For Language theory I’ll be reading Nicholas Ostler –The Last Lingua Franca– chosen for the colourful cover-work on an otherwise very dull Languages section of a local book retailer–I have no idea as to the validity of his writing but the book according to the back-cover speaks of the rise and fall of Greek, Arabic, Sanskrit and Persian and then makes prophesies for the future of English. A quick glance inside suggests that these languages all fell because they were controlled by the Elites causing resentment amongst the average Joe Public of those times. Mr and Mrs Joe Public went off and found new ways of writing and communicating that left the Elitist control freaks dead in the water so to speak.

    Bill do you have any comments relating to Language Theory and Law? Perhaps this World War III of yours will include language communication theory in some manner?

    FROM BILL: I don’t think language theory has much to do with law, or with medicine, which also uses a lot of latin. This is just a relic of the day when latin was the language of educated people.

    Attorneys do well because the understand the rules and how they effect cause and effect in the real world. When you want to accomplish something you need to know what is legal and what isn’t and how to get what you want within the law (or how to bend and take advantage of the law). Laws, over time, become increasingly complex and convoluted, and someone who knows the way through the maze will always be needed.

  67. Santiago Says:

    That’s exactly what I was going to say, there are always wars going on in the world. But that is very different from predicting some kind of major “world war” -that was my question. If I read you correctly that’s what you think will happen.

    And the age of aquarius miracle is BTW – YOUR stuff that you keep bringing up.

    You are very confident on the information you have and on the analysis you’ve made of it. I think that analysis is very useful and should be looked at carefully.

    I always try to leave some room for doubt, since I know information is never complete. The problem with this is that people then try to fill out the limits of information with their own beliefs – like the new age quantum physics, observer effect, you create your own reality, aquarian age kind of thing – instead of simply remaining confortable in the space of the unknown. Which is IMO what is really going on – nobody knows – though some of us are really convinced we do.

    Social theories I find useful sometimes. But is good to have in mind that they are not “real” science. They are (as Nobel prize winner Richard Feynman said) Pseudo sciences.

    FROM BILL: There’s plenty of evidence to back up Socionomics. Ignore it if you want to.

  68. Heikki Says:

    Hey Dudes/Dames!

    Chance your memes to better, and you chance your reality to better.

    Did it, done it. And will do it again, again, again…

    Life is a gift, really.

    Thanks Bill!

  69. Luke A Says:

    G day Bill

    I’m a new zealander living in Australia with my beautiful partner.

    My life is going extremely wells thanks to your holosync product three years into the course on AL4, loving it thank you. I have been taking an interest in your latest blogs and I have say it’s not easy to read that the near future times are going to get pretty tough ie wars. I look around my environment in Australia and really can’t see things get really bad, nor have there been any major wars in Australia. Do you see any bad times in australia in the near future. Hoping Australia is the lucky country that they all say it is.

    Luke.

    FROM BILL: I think there is trouble brewing in China, especially economically. Their real estate and debt bubbles are likely to burst this year, and from what I read Australia is tied to China pretty closely. One very high-end newsletter I read listed 10 predictions for 2012 (this guy has a very high accuracy record). #6 was: “Australia will be a major victim of the China recession. A collapse of the housing bubble in Australia is assured.”

  70. Santiago Says:

    Bill, I think you’ve studied the computational theory of mind (steve pinker and the like) what’s your take on that ?

    FROM BILL: I like Pinker’s books, which I read years ago, though I don’t remember the details of his theories to the point where I could comment off the top of my head.

  71. rosario Says:

    dear bill,
    all our negative beliefs are created by a low threshold ?
    using holosync our threshold grow and all the negative beliefs dissolve by themself ?
    thank you.
    rosario

    FROM BILL: Negative beliefs are created by experiences you have that lead you to believe that certain things are a danger or a potential danger to you. No, your negative beliefs will not dissolve all by themselves. When you believe something WITH AWARENESS, it will fall away if it does not serve you.

  72. Dan Says:

    Hi Bill,

    I want to start off by saying I mean absolutely no disrespect by this post. I have been involved with Holosync for 3 years and have benefited greatly from it. I am grateful to you for creating it and I feel lucky to have it in my life. During those 3 years I have also learned a tremendous amount from you about various things; again, I am greatful for that.

    I am writing to express a question that has been appearing in my mind recently (when I listened to your latest blog post for example) to see what your response would be.

    The question is, “How can one gage if they are growing, expanding, improving, etc., as opposed to simply exchanging one map of reality for another that seems to “feel” better?” In other words, how can I know if the improvement I feel about the last 3 years is really growth, or if I have simply found a new set of ideas (i.e. map) that I better resonate with?

    I know I see tangible benefits; more calm, more centered, better feelings about life and suffering, time, awareness, etc,. But are these benefits because I have in fact changed or just the result of being exposed to ideas that seem to “feel” better or seem to be more “right” than my old way of looking at things. Is all personal growth just that, finding a “better” map that seems to explain things in a better way and therfore leaves one feeling better about life in general?

    I was raised raised Catholic for example. I have nothing against the church but for me it left a lot of unanswered questions; it felt incomplete, and so I sought different things. Eventually, I found Holosync. The technology and the concepts really resonated with me. It (you) helped me to understand things in a new way and consequently I feel better about life.

    But, for others, many of whom I know, the church does provide a complete solution and answers all their questions, and thus, they feel, I would imagine, the same peace and solace I found here.

    So again, for me, it begs the question about spiritual growth….

    Is all spiritual growth simply finding a new map of reality that feels “better” and thus helps one navigate life in a “better” way?

    I hope I expressed what I was trying to say. I look forward to your response.

    Thanks.

    Dan

    FROM BILL: What is wrong with feeling better? Why would having a new “map” that helps you better navigate your life, with less suffering, be a problem? What if that was “all” it is?

    Without a map, you wouldn’t survive. And, some maps do help more in the challenge of navigating your way through life. I higher level of awareness, I believe, is not just having a more functional map, but also seeing the map for what it is: a map, not the actual territory. It is a TOOL.

    Catholics have their map, and it works for them as long as it works. Before your current map you had another. Probably what happened was that your current map stopped working as well as you gathered more experience, more data, about the territory to be navigated. So, you search for a map that would explain and help you navigate this new territroy in addition to the old.

    Maps work as long as they work. A child has a map which works until they go out into the world and encounter new territory, as when they start going to school. Then, like all people, they reconstruct their map to fit the new territory in the best way they can. Some are better map makers and become better navigators.

    This map-making business is developmental: people go through a fairly standardized set of maps as they encounter more complex territory. I go through this process in my series of posts about human development, which (with a few detours) began this blog a few years ago. Go back and read those initial articles.

    At a certain point a traveller is able to clearly see that the map is just the territory. Up to that point most humans mistake the map for the territory it represents. They think their ideas about themselves, the world, and the things of the world, are the same as those things. They think their idea of “me” is who they are. So a higher spiritual vision is knowing (not intellectually, but in your bones) that the map is not the territory.

    There are things that cause us to suffer that we can’t do much about: the actions of others, the physical limitations of our living bodies, physical processes of the universe (weather, the sun, movements of the earth, etc), and that everything is impermanent.

    Your map won’t change those things. It can, though, give you choice over those things that you actually create: how you feel, how you behave, which people and situations you attract or become attracted to, and what meanings you assign to what happens. These are all a by-product of your map. If you can learn to be aware enough to see how your map generates these things, they become a choice. Otherwise, they happen automatically, outside your awareness. A more advanced level of spiritual growth is developing that awareness.

    Finally, I would caution you that, in my opinion, there are no answers to some questions. Some things are, and will remain, a mystery. Even the Catholic Church acknowledges that. Who you really are, why you are here, where it’s all going, and where it came from are always going to be unknowns for humans.

  73. Dr. John Perkins Says:

    About Maya Pavarti’s comment, your not actually thinking your thoughts, the physics of electrochemical interactions determine your thoughts Bill, not you, it’s physics, so in a sense Maya’s correct.

    However Maya, Bill is correct and you should listen to him, this really is not about whether choice is real or not real, it’s about the successful internal dialog that creates a more flexible response (choice) in people who have a greater awareness thanks to holosync.

    Thanks for letting me post my comment.

    FROM BILL: I have extensive education in the sciences, and am aware of how the mind works, etc. “Maya Parvati” is a pseudonym of a troublemaker we have banned from Centerpointe venues. He keeps popping up again with new names, emails, facebook pages, etc. I have no patience for his bullshit, even though occassionally he makes a semi-lucid comment. I suspect that he has some serious mental health problems. I choose to not engage with him.

    - J. Perkins, MD

  74. nick Says:

    The update on “Going to Hell on a HandBasket” comes across as an instruction to paranoia…maybe it is a call to action, but seems like focusing on what you don’t want…?

    FROM BILL: Is getting out of the way of an oncoming train negative thinking? Or just prudent action? I wanting to avoid the train creating the train?

  75. Dave S Perkins Says:

    : I don’t think language theory has much to do with law, or with medicine, which also uses a lot of latin. This is just a relic of the day when latin was the language of educated people.

    I’m merely suggesting that where most language teaching is done in a direct manner between most languages, it may be far far easier to simply go back to the base origins, especially after/during regular Holosync use, obviously that is no fun at all for most of us especially those who are getting on in years. For lack of a better idea — I would term it the all life is a placebo paradox: and our choice in this paradox of beliefs “Absolutely 100% (7 Billion People) Everyone’s an actor/actress” is one of choosing to be powerful individuals within the vastness of that scalable collective: step-by-step towards more empowering behaviour patterns is my own journey through the previously adopted and now falling away limiting beliefs.

    Anyone can make vocal, breathing and listening training fun for themselves and there families by simply learning to sing, I believe coaches such-as Seth Riggs and Dena Murray and many other coaches all have widely available CD training techniques they have developed. Hopefully with enough meditation I’ll have an idea of my own that will be wanted and that I can sell for money, money for ohms is old hat; just as elitist business and science is becoming old hat; your own US military is redesigning itself though I do not understand why it would want to interfere in a war between China and Australia. Any next generation of London prison colonists that can inflict TV shows like Neighbours and Home and Away on the wider World will walk over China; Its the rice eaters I’ll be feeling sorry for (Heartless OZZIE B’STAR’DS).

    FROM BILL: I wish I had some idea of what you are talking about, but no luck.

  76. Rob G Says:

    With reference to Dr John Perkins, and also Maya Paverti’s comment about Neuroscientist David Eagleman saying there is no visible mechanism of choice in the brain. Perhaps there is no visible mechanism of choice in the brain because it is the whole brain itself that is the ‘choice mechanism’, and not a specific part or parts that create a mechanism. Maybe whatever goes on inside the brain cannot be modelled as accuratly in terms of choice when looked at in terms of a physical mechanical model.

    Even though it is interesting, I don’t see the physical make up of what happens in the brain as being relevant to what Bill teaches as an argument that he is incorrect in some way. He is just applying a different ‘model’ to the one David Eagleman applies.

    From my own experience I know that choice arises from awareness. The greater the awareness, the greater the scope for choice. This what Bill teaches, and in my experience he is correct. True, if we didn’t have a brain we wouldn’t have any awareness of anything. In this way, the ability to make a decision is dependent actual existence of the neocortex , but I cant see how it can go on to solely define our actions as Maya suggests.

    FROM BILL: The nervous system is a way to store echoes of experience, hopefully to improve responses so as to survive and get more of what one wants. The whole thing is about choosing, and the question is whether the nervous system “chhoses” for you, automatically, based on the neural patterns laid down by past experience, or the choice is made consciously.

  77. Daniel Marcel Venter Says:

    Isn’t it frustrating to be a person? Yes and No I suspect…….

    I have been watching this Channel on Virgin TV (UK) for some time now. (Called PBS).

    Anyway, I was in the kitchen and heard this guy speak about the fact life is short and selective. He wrote this book about his experiences with older people (50plus) and how they see things in life that most people completely “just miss”. This guy and what he had to say “hit a chord” in me to say the least. His name is Karl Pillemer and his book is called: `30 lessons for living`. Ok, I know the title sounds like the next cliché in town; however, I saw and heard honesty in his eyes and voice. This book is more about interviews with the older generation (I suspect), but I think there is something in it. His words on TV “gels” well into when Bill sais: “Is getting out of the way of an oncoming train negative thinking? Or just prudent action? I wanting to avoid the train creating the train?”

    Focusing on that train will most certainly create a sense of frustration to say the least!!!

    Ps: I am a “student” on the flowering level 4 in the centerpointe product range….Relevant or not.

    Cheers
    Marcel
    Hey…I saw you focusing on that train…LOL

  78. michelle s Says:

    A question comes to mind from reading through posts and answers.
    Do you think that the train wreck will be worse because not many people choose to prepare, or believe that it’s happening? During the Depression before the 2nd World War, most people alive had lived through World War 1, it’s effects, Spanish flu epidemic, etc-so their thinking was probably on the whole more negative, or neutral. Nowadays, it seems that people think not having cable is a hardship, or a 2nd car, or their ‘dream’whatever-wouldn’t this make the ‘fall’ that much harder. I am sure that even in my preparations, I am unprepared.

    Also, with reference to Tuchmann’s book- obviously since the 13th century there are advances technologically- more people can read and write etc-but I also know people can and will be savage when they feel cornered-I am trying to imagine what it would look like -not that I want to-it always comes back to a combination of Road Warrior and the Stand (by Stephen King). I guess that is not a question, but perhaps a comment on how modern civilization falls apart.

    I am so glad I have this blog, all the books and learning that are mentioned , and as long as I have batteries- I will continue with Holosync:)

    FROM BILL: The train wreck will be worse for YOU if you don’t prepare.

  79. michelle s Says:

    Also-since this blog was more centered on how to live with suffering, and find joy-just keep going. Even in times of turmoil, there is beauty, there is life and love. Keep looking and noticing, and don’t disown any part of life. It’s all we got!

  80. Ken Says:

    Quote from Bill: Is getting out of the way of an oncoming train negative thinking? Or just prudent action? Is wanting to avoid the train creating the train?

    Bill,

    Brilliant example of the distinction between negative thinking and ’cause and effect’. This example should be printed as a disclaimer on every copy of the secret sold. People would read it and be thoroughly confused. “Wait a minute, I thought bob doyle just said I can create an elephant with my imagination. Why can’t I create an oncoming train bearing down on me in the same manner, Mr Harris?” The sad thing is, a lot of people, educated people, believe they can create the train.

    FROM BILL: Educated people can also compartmentalize their magical thinking (and keep doing it).

  81. Dan Says:

    Bill said: What is wrong with feeling better?

    and…

    Finally, I would caution you that, in my opinion, there are no answers to some questions. Some things are, and will remain, a mystery. Even the Catholic Church acknowledges that. Who you really are, why you are here, where it’s all going, and where it came from are always going to be unknowns for humans.

    Dan:

    There is nothing wrong with feeling better! Again, I am grateful that the tools I have found here have helped me feel better.

    And I agree with you on the matter of never knowing certain things. My take is that regardless of one’s map (Catholic, Buddist, Muslum, et), it is just that….a map, created in the mind, and therefor limited. It is as though we we are trying to understand the infinite using finite minds. And so the key is, if there is a key, is to find a map that helps you navigate well and feel good about your life and the world.

    Thanks Bill.

    Dan

  82. CJ Says:

    With reference to Maya, Dr Perkins, and the other Rob G says, it’s a scientific fact that your thoughts are neural firing patterns, ie brainwaves. These electric and chemical interactions occur at the cellular level. Cells, specifically brain cells determine your thoughts. If you stimulate the right braincells in a rat you can make it’s arm move. Recently in the news there is a university that has captured images from the human mind, movies that match the movies participants watched in FMRI machines. IBM has announced that mind reading is real and is coming soon. So we all know that thoughts are in your brain, and we all know that your braincells are making these thoughts as a reaction to outside stimulus that comes in through the senses, and also a re-reaction from the physics of electric-chemical interactions already going on inside a brain. With different streams of neural patterns representing different choices, and the neural pattern that becomes dominant in terms of it’s firing pattern is the choice we make. This choice is determined by the laws of physics, so it’s as if the laws of physics are choosing your thoughts. I hope this helps clear up things for everyone!

    FROM BILL: All of that is true, but you still make choices based on experience, which is stored (through not that accurately) in your nervous system. Experiences create criteria, which you use to choose which of a huge number of possible responses you will make in any given situation.

  83. CJ Says:

    I would add that I have no idea how that all fits into holosync, I just thought I would offer it up as a useful comment. Great discussion everyone!

    FROM BILL: Here is how it fits in with Holosync: Those criteria and related responses are generalizations. Sometimes they don’t fit the specific situation you are in (for example, you generalize that a certain person or situtation is potentially dangerous because they fit a certain profile [they are a male and an authority figure, for instance] but in fact, in this specific case they are not). If the generalized response runs automatically, you might do something that creates consequences you don’t like–perhaps you feel a lot of unnecesary fear, act in a hostile way, push away an opportunity, etc. If you have enough awareness (created by Holosync, though that is not the only way to create awareness) you see how the situation does not fit the generalization (if it doesn’t) and you are able to feel and act BY CHOICE instead of automatically running a certain pattern. You get a more resourceful outcome because you have CHOICE, created by awareness.

  84. CJ Says:

    If your experience of holosync is that holosync gives you greater choice, then it must be that holosync is developing your neural firing patterns to create increasingly developed (physically lengthened) thought patterns that rise higher in the neocortex, are long term holosync users able to make better predictions about the world than everyone else? because that would indicate that my theory is on the right track

  85. CJ Says:

    So it would definitely seem to yourself and to everyone else like you were making better choices, but at the same time it would really be physics that was doing the choosing, not you.

    FROM BILL: Everything is physics and chemistry. But you are assuming that we’re all just little billiar balls pushing each other around. It’s more complex than that. The more awareness an organism has, the more variability is possible in its responses. A complex nervous system takes you out of simple stimulus/response and into the world of complex systems and chaos theory (responses determined by probablilities, unlike simple mechanics (Newton’s laws of motion).

  86. Carlos Says:

    Bill,
    I just finished reading ” Why the west rules…” At the end of the book the author talk about “Nightfall” possibly caused by major wars and/or Enviromental Catastrophe. I assumed you dont agree with this last part because I think you stated before that you dont really believe in Global warming or at least you dont think it is created by humans.

    I dont know much about the topic but I think most of the scientific community agrees that Global Warming etc is real , including the author of that book who seem to have done a lot of research before writing the book.

    Why do you think Scientists or many of them would agree on the dangers of global warming caused by humans?

    I am a little confused on your opinions about this topic because I know your teachings are based on science.

    Carlos

    FROM BILL: Most of what you hear about global warming is NOT based on science. You may remember the emails discovered in which the data was manipulated to support the outcome the scientists already believed in. Most of what you have heard about global warming is based on politics. Progressives need poteital disasters to justify their taking more power and exerting more control.

    Based on my own reading and research, I would say that yes, global warming (or at least “climiate change”) is happening. This is almost entirely caused by changes in the sun, though. Humans just don’t have enough firepower (no pun intended) to have that big of an effect. If we did, we would be doing something to stop severe weather phenomena from happening. The world has heated and cooled over and over. It is influenced by humans only a tiny bit. It is also not without our control to change it. So, we will adapt, and that adaptation doesn’t require the progressives to take over. The carbon tax stuff is nothing more than a huge social control lever to be exercised for political purposes. It does NOTHING to change global climate changes. It does a lot to control people and to enrich certain segments of society.

  87. Trace Says:

    Hey bill,
    Ordering HS. 2.0 . Awaking Level 2.
    I know holo sync raises levels of hormones melatonin, etc. do know if GABA is raised also? I’ve been sober for 4 years and I attribute part of that to holosync.
    I’ve read the scientific studies on binaural beats and alcoholism. Impressive. The reason I ask is that GABA deficiencies have recently been indicated in addictive behavior (along with other neurotransmitters). If you have any knowledge of what frequencies theta,alpha, etc would raise GABA could you please respond.
    Also, did you do holotropic breathework back in the day? Trace

    FROM BILL: I do not know what effect Holosync has on GABA, but I would guess that it improves/regulates levels of that and many other brain chemicals and hormones. I see the changes people experience, and they match the symptoms of those who have the proper amounts of serotonin. GABA, and many others. The money required to study these things is beyond my resources, however.

  88. Clive Says:

    @ Dave Perkins “Any next generation of London prison colonists that can inflict TV shows like Neighbours and Home and Away on the wider World will walk over China”. FYI Dave. Us Ozzies were Irish convicts.

  89. CJ Says:

    Well thank you for your replies. I’m about to write a book on neuroscience, and I realize that very few people have studied as much as even you have so I don’t want to imply that what you said is not amazingly great and brilliant because it is. There is an event in San Francisco in March called Being Human, and many great best selling Neuroscientists will be there to speak. It might not be to late to register, you could show up as a vendor, or as an individual. Most people will find out that neuroscience has progressed in vastly more detail about how thinking works than they imagine. The last decade and even the last year have seen some incredible advances. My instinct is that this sort of thing is interesting to you, and I would encourage anyone with your level of enthusiasm to be there, open to learn, ready to listen, and perhaps your mind will get blown away again. :) hope to see you there. If you can’t make it, I can put together some resource listings for study if you are interested.

  90. Santiago Says:

    Interesting discurse by Ron Paul on the failure of the current US foreign policy and his proposal on what to do, specially directed at those who see him as isolationist.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY1eqZ2DfKw&feature=g-vrec&context=G2d69531RVAAAAAAAABA

  91. Dave S Perkins Says:

    @ Dave Perkins “Any next generation of London prison colonists that can inflict TV shows like Neighbours and Home and Away on the wider World will walk over China”. FYI Dave. Us Ozzies were Irish convicts.

    Whoops I can see my neurons are misfiring again, Billlllll anyway to speed up auto-correction on me and my big mouth?

    Are what the scientists refer to as neurons firing, the same as what some spiritualists refer to as mind virus’s and is it the binaurial beats of Holosync that knock out these mind virus’s through the use of creating the necessessary firing of neurons firing? Just Trying to find common ground between so many mish-mashed ideas and thoughts, I can see why it took you so many years to get to a masters level even with the best technology.

    PS.
    Planet Word – J P Davidson would make an excellent companion book to Holosync for people interested in literature and the History of Languages through the ages and the present day.

  92. Clive Says:

    @Dave S Perkins.”.Whoops I can see my neurons are misfiring again, Billlllll anyway to speed up auto-correction on me and my big mouth?”

    Jesus Dave 90% of the planet thinks we are English. No biggy. Dont be so hard on yourself.

  93. Clive Says:

    @ Dave Perkins…”
    Are what the scientists refer to as neurons firing, the same as what some spiritualists refer to as mind virus’s and is it the binaurial beats of Holosync that knock out these mind virus’s through the use of creating the necessessary firing of neurons firing?”

    No. A mind virus? How could the mind possibly have a virus if it doesnt exist?

    FROM BILL: Of course the mind exists. It is a map of reality. It’s not that it doesn’t exist, but that it isn’t THE TERRITORY. This is probably THE biggest misunderstanding of metaphysics. The mind exists (and you couldn’t get along without it). The ego exists (and you couldn’t get along without it). The mind and the ego are, however, not what they represent. Most people think the ego and the mind are the meal, when they are actually the menu. The menu is a representation of the meal, but you can’t eat it. And, to use another analogy, you can’t get wet in the word “water”.

  94. David Says:

    Bill,

    Social mood peaked in 2000 and now we are in a great period of negative social mood?

    Genocide around the world from the end of WWII to 2001 killed more people than ALL of the wars in US history (this stat is taking all the accumulated deaths from geneocide during that period and all the official dead from the wars that the US participated in for their history up to 2001; including what the US and their allies did as well as their enemies).

    I guess in your world what you see as social mood peaked then, but if one considers what other people have gone through in Mao in China, Bosnia, Rwanda, South America (several countries) and many other places. Darfur is much worse than the wars that the US are currently involved.

    I would say that the balance between negative and positive have been quite stable. China would have to say that looking at the last 100 years this would be considered a great time of positive social mood.

    By reading your blog you don’t seem to give credence to anyone who doesn’t ocmpletely agree; calling them kooks isn’t a good way to win friends and influence people.

    FROM BILL: Bad things happen even in times of positive social mood. They just don’t concern people to the same degree. In times of positive social mood the same killing and corruption go on. They are tolerated to a greater degree in such times, though. And, social mood isn’t the same everywhere at the same time.

  95. Dave S Perkins Says:

    S’ok Clive

    I am of a mixed heritage myself as is everyone I know when you look at the requirement for her egg and his sperm so to speak. I recently experienced a massive spontaneous upheaval or overwhelm as they call it for no apparent reason-only to later hear of a tragedy within a local family, whether its logical or illogical to commit these things in writing I recommended Holosync to a lot of people (many of whom prefer to use it privately). I embarked on a course of action and I am sure that others around the globe must also be experiencing similar experiences, I know that it’s not all me but likewise in writing these things down, perhaps others will understand as they’re own awareness/knowledge grows that we do have more choices available to us than we first realise, some say pursue your dreams or those cliche’s of make a difference/leave a legacy and so on, I am still personally going through the decision making process’s of deciding what I can and cannot achieve.

    Am I victim because I’ve played victim my whole life or simply through trauma as a youngster that changed my life onto a negative rather than positive course, I think Bill sets his courses out over time because that time is genuinely needed to go through all of ones own individual grievances at the world god who’ever we’ve sort to blame for our reason for where we as individuals are at now.

  96. Amber J. Gardner Says:

    How long do you think we have before things get seriously bad?

    FROM BILL: They’re seriously bad now, and getting worse all the time. Don’t wait to prepare.

  97. Amber J. Gardner Says:

    Also I wanted to ask what was your opinion about Eckhart Tolle.

    After Christmas this year, I reached probably the closest I’ve ever been to something like enlightenment thanks to Holosync and binge listening to Tolle’s A New Earth in audio book format.

    I won’t lie and say nothing bothers me anymore. But it’s like, if I take a moment and become aware of what I’m thinking and become present the way Tolle mentions, I have a choice on whether to suffer or not and even the degree of that suffering. In fact, I realize that I was making myself suffer all along and when that happens, I suddenly find myself laughing and all the suffering, the drama, the emotion goes away.

    JC seems to be thinking a whooole lot about all of this, and you mention Tozan and buddism and the five stages of awakening….and perhaps I should look more into it, but I feel as I am now, it sounds all more complicated than it needs to be.

    Perhaps I feel this way thanks to Holosync. I still have trouble keeping awareness especially when dealing with other people, but I feel Holosync and practicing what Eckhart Tolle talks about really work good together, well for me anyways. As long as I can be present and notice what is happening, I can be cleared minded and take action without any drama.

    When I first read your Going To Hell In A Hand-Basket, it scared the crap out of me. I wanted to deny what you were saying, but Holosync has been such a amazing thing for me, I can’t just ignore the person who created such an amazing thing just because I don’t want to look at it.

    But I make myself look at it, and I watch my thoughts and they’re something like: “How on earth am I going to get out of debt? There’s no way. Store food? Water? Can I afford that? How can I? I don’t know what to do. If this does happen, I’m going to be soooo screwed…”

    Then I realized I was just making myself upset, so the thinking stopped and now I looked over those posts again and now I’m calmly thinking about what I can do if things did get bad, what I can do (I’m still not sure. I can only do my best).

    So basically what I’m saying… I feel amazing most of the time. Everything feels like it’s going to work out fine. I feel more spiritual than I ever have, ever. Even if I still gotta make money, pay bills, feed myself, I can now do this with this sense of…contentment.

    I’m 25 years old and I feel like…what I’ve managed to achieve…is rare. Like while everyone was going through the game, struggling and suffering before they finally had enough and reached this sort of peace in their 40′s, I found a short cut and jumped ahead 20 years.

    And it just took Holosync, your Life Intergration Courses (I still haven’t finished even the first part yet), Eckhart Tolle, and other books/things that lead to this. I didn’t make pilgrimages to India, I didn’t have a mentor or guru, I didn’t study or practice Buddism or honestly any real religion, etc.

    It seems as if it’s just a matter of overthinking and to simply, control thinking or be aware of thinking.

    Not sure if this matters at all or is on topic. I just wanted to tell someone since everyone around me is very unconscious (which is why I often slip into unconsciousness when I deal with others, but not for very long).

    I just wanted to hear your opinion and whether or not I’m on to something.

    Thank you so much again for Holosync and your blog. :)

    FROM BILL: To put things into perspective, Tolle is talking about the third rank of Tozan–the ability to experience the transcendent all the time. Many people get stuck at that stage (not a bad place to be stuck, until it begins to feel like…being stuck–which is does once the non-transcendent bites you in the ass). Still, transcendent or not, you cannot escape the human condition, which throws you, eventually, into the fourth stage, the fall from grace, and the fifth (ideally), where you integrate the trenscenden t with the relative.

    Thinking about this sort of thing might be complicated, but this isn’t about thinking about it. If it seems complicated, it’s because you are thinking too hard about it. Forget about it. When and if what it describes happens to you, you’ll remember and say, “Oh, yeah, Bill talked about this. Maybe I’m still on the path, even though it doesn’t seem like it.”

    As for the coming (and present) troubles, do what you can. Take part of your money and pretend you don’t have it and use it to pay off your debts. Do what you can to be prepared in case services you take for granted aren’t available temporarily (hopefully it will be only temporary). Worrying isn’t useful. Action is. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

  98. Amber J. Gardner Says:

    Gah, sorry for posting again, I’ll keep it stupid short.

    I read your post regarding the stages of enlightenment. I think I’m in the Third Stage. Can someone at this stage decide to go directly to the fifth stage? In other words, choose to be human, choose to suffer? Or is it something that happens with time and there must be a painful fall from grace first? I feel like I got to the third stage without the second stage. I didn’t have this great Doubt. But its like…I totally embrace that everything I ever thought I was, isn’t really me and that I don’t really know who I am or what I am. I am totally okay with that, which is really weird. So I wonder if I skipped that part and thus I feel like I can also just skip to the fifth stage.

    Also, about things getting worse. Perhaps because I’m in the third stage, its hard to see anything wrong with the way things are now. So when you say things are bad now, I look around and think “really? things are bad?” But I believe you and the fact I can’t see it scares me a little. I don’t want to be suckerpunched by it.

    Before, I was never interested in knowing about the world, mostly because when I read the news, I get caught up in negativity and its very unpleasant. Now suddenly, I’m very curious and want to be more informed. I want to understand better, so even if I don’t know how to get out of the train’s way or can’t, at least I can see the train coming and brace myself.

    But how does one choose to suffer without going unconscious? How to have heart, feel what’s happening, be human and still be transcendent at the same time?

    FROM BILL: When you are in the third stage (if you are–maybe you aren’t, since you can temporarily be in the transcendent and fall out) it seems as if the human condition can’t touch you. It can, though, and will. There is no skipping of stages.

  99. zen ten Says:

    FROM BILL: They’re seriously bad now, and getting worse all the time. Don’t wait to prepare.

    For once I agree with you, the world is going to fucking implode and there’s no fucking shit we can do about it…too many fucking zombies all over the fucking place! Did I say fucking? FUCKING!

    FROM BILL: For once?

  100. Trace Says:

    Hey bill,
    Just a note to say happy birthday! And thanks For all the info on my favorite subjects,consciousness,awareness,etc. trace
    p.s. finally ordered 2.0 can’t wait to try it out.

  101. Ken Says:

    Bill,

    Another great FB chat. I’d say your best so far. And happy 61st! I sincerely hope you make it to 100.

    This is off topic, but I was recently re-reading your book, Thresholds of the Mind. Before you started Centerpointe, you discussed how the program came to be and your learning about the importance of lowering the carrier freq’s.

    But before you discovered that, you said you and a group of friends used your original tape for a while until it stopped working as well. It lost it’s push because you adapted to it. After a while, you thought to try lowering the carriers and viola.

    I was wondering if you know what approximate “level” you guys were at in the very beginning. Since you selected the carrier freq at random, do you even know?

    Second, how long were you at that original “level” until you thought to change the carriers? Was it a matter of months or years? If the later, I certainly admire your original groups tenacity.

    FROM BILL: It was about Awakening Level 1, and it was 5-6 months.

  102. Arturo Says:

    Hi Bill,
    Just to leave a quick note… I am so excited because today I just placed my order for my new level of Holosync including the version 2.0!!! looking forward to feel it!!!! boy this thing is addictive… :) . Thank you for all you do

    Oh!, and I hope you had a wonderful birthday, may life keep you blessed and safe.

    Arturo

    P.S. mmmhhh… Btw, while I am here… a quick question for you please: given the fact that in Mexico (where I am from and live in), as in most parts of the world, the news and media are biased and just tell their fairy tales about the current situation and since in many aspects, for good or bad, Mexico and the U.S. are so related… well, I just tought, since you have a good perspective, it would be a good idea to ask you how you see the panorama from where you are in terms of our economy, will it follow similar paterns to the U.S. or will we go way down worse even… some “good sources” say we won’t be so affected but I honestly don’t think they are right, and since I am not an “expert” as they are they say I am full of… Any views please?…

    FROM BILL: Mexico will be affected. The whole world will be affected.

  103. Jem Says:

    Bill, where does the rising of the kundalini through yoga techniques come in to all this? If you raise your kundalini would this automatically take you to stage 5, or is this something totally different. Im very curious as I do kundalini yoga and would love to hear your views, many thanks.

    FROM BILL: Raising the kundalini certainly does increase awareness and gives one certain “powers” or talents, and can create a tremendous experience of the transcendent. It is a third rank phenomenon, however.

  104. Santiago Says:

    Bill are you familiar with the Buddhist Jhana systems ? have you practiced any of them ?

    FROM BILL: Yes and yes.

  105. Amber J. Gardner Says:

    Thank you for your replies! Yes, I won’t think about it too much and will do my best to prepare and take action for things to come.

    Also, I just realized something. SOPA and PIPA. This is what you were talking about regarding the government trying to increase its control, right? You predicted stuff like this.

    Does this mean these bills will most likely pass?

    FROM BILL: I don’t know. Stealing the intellectual property of others IS a big problem. Too many people think that what others create should be free (typical socialist thinking). On the other hand, laws that increase the amount of control government can exercise are dangerous.

  106. Dan Says:

    FROM BILL: Raising the kundalini certainly does increase awareness and gives one certain “powers” or talents, and can create a tremendous experience of the transcendent. It is a third rank phenomenon, however.

    From Dan:

    Hi Bill,

    Is there any scienctific evidence/basis for the existence of kundalini energy? I know it’s one of those things that always sounded really “cool” and mysterious. But is there proof such energy exists?

    Also, in your opinion, is Holosync capable of raising this energy?

    You have, btw, taught me to think for myself regarding these and other issues. I no longer just believe someting I read about just because it sounds good or because it has been written about for a long time in ancient traditions for example. As you have said many times, many of the ancient traditions can still be plagued with magical thinking.

    Dan

    FROM BILL: Kundalini is real–in other words, there IS a profound experience that is referred to with that name. What is actually happening in a modern, biological sense is probably not fully knows. Dr. James Hardt, a good friend and one of the top authorities in the world on brain wave biofeedback, tells me that one characteristic of kundalini is massive amounts of delta waves. I have a printout of an EEG of me during a kundalini event. You can see it at http://www.centerpointe.com/kundalini. It shows twenty seconds or so of this event, but it went on for close to an hour if I remember correctly.

    I’m sure there are many more things going on during such events that have never been measured, as they are quite rare and not easily reproducible.

  107. Santiago Says:

    I have been studying Daniel Ingram’s book “Mastering the core teachings of the Buddha” (Highly recommended) and discovered a whole new perspective on the Buddhist path from the Theravada School, very different from the Zen perspective I’m used to.

    Any resources you can recommend for studying the Jhana systems ? I’m aware that there isn’t an agreed upon interpretation of this systems though, but I find it really interesting to investigate.

    FROM BILL: Theravadan Buddhism is a more fundamentalist approach. Genpo would liken it to the left side of his triangle. Email him and ask him his opinion.

  108. zen ten Says:

    FROM BILL: For once?

    Nah, actually I agree with a lot you say :)

  109. Sam Says:

    How do you do kundalini yoga? What’s importan about the jhana systems? Please share your findings so we can learn; I don’t think answers are soon to be forthcoming without their price, and as JC has pointed out it’s high time it be paid.

    FROM BILL: I am not a kindalini yoga teacher. If you want to learn it, do a little research and find out for yourself. I am suppost to explain anything you bring up? Don’t be so lazy.

  110. Sam Says:

    My point exactly, Bill. I want to hear from you what your experience is: fairly soon we’ll have benchmarks for all of this stuff, and we’ll start giving tune-ups in meditation, and everyone will find out quite clearly where they stand with respect to meditation as well as where to go from here. But for now let’s share what we find together. A lot of it–at least for myself–is pure crap. However, if I’m not mistaken, once in a while a fragment of diamond shines through (don’t ask me how that got there, I don’t want to relive the carma).

    FROM BILL: We already have a few thousands of years of benchmarks. Do your own homework.

  111. Ken Says:

    Bill, has the inspiration for this thread, JC, contacted you with an update?

    FROM BILL: No. I don’t he reads the blog or knows about the post.

  112. Santiago Says:

    Yeah we’ve talked about it, he talked about a triangle made of the 3 yanas (3 vehicles) and how they keep rotating, stating that they are all important, none superior to each other. I guess some people think of the Theravada as more fundamentalist because is practiced by people in forests in places like Burma. Theravada is based on the Buddha’s original teachings and it relies on a diligent and precise investigation of sensory experience which leads to vipassana (insight) into ultimate reality.

    In contrast to the Zen teachings which emphasize the “you’re already enlightened” “no goal” “nothing to attain” “just sit” approach, the Theravada is very goal oriented with clear instructions and stages “jhanas” of insight that ultimately lead to enlightenment as tangible attainment.

    Both approaches have advantages and problems. I guess the Mahayana tried to overcome the competition mentality of the goal oriented practice. They barely use maps, whereas the Theravada has very precise descriptions of the maps.

    Maps have a great use specially with issues around things like “The fall from grace” or the “Dark night” in Theravada. When people hit this without expecting it, it can be very problematic because of the extreme negativity that tends to arise. People then can act on this and hurt their relationships, finance, etc.

    If they have clarity about this as a stage on the path it would be much less harmfull in their lives. They can learn to better navigate this territory and continue with their practice.

    Like it has happened with Zen, there are now numerus western teachers that have studied this approach, making it now much more accesible to the western world. I have found great things in this approach to liberation and I think more people should be exposed to it. (It is actually happening)

    FROM BILL: It is seen as fundamentalist because it IS fundamentalist. Very rule-based, very judgemental of any other approach, very in-group/outgroup. Review the values of the Blue meme.

  113. Jem Says:

    Thanks Bill. Sam, Ana Brett and Ravi Singhs Kundalini yoga DVDs which can be found on Amazon are a good place to start and the Book “Kundalini Tantra”.

  114. Santiago Says:

    I’m talking about the Buddha’s original TEACHINGS, as I see them of course (there can be infinite interpretations) not what some people or cultures make of them. That’s like saying that science, or music are fundamentalisms because some schools approach them in a fundamentalist way (full of rules, right and wrongs, in-group/out-group, etc).

    I have an indescribable respect for those teachings.

    FROM BILL: That’s what fundamentalist’s do: they describe what they do as the “origianl teachings.” They are, of course, their interpretation of the original teachings. There is no non-interpreted version. Other Buddhists don’t necessarily agree that they are the original teachings. They are the original “three baskets”, but believe me they are interpreted, and the interpretation is one that is fundamentalist, and quite rule-bound. It is a version of Buddhism of a lower developmental level than later versions. If you like it, go for it.

  115. Sam Says:

    I think we’re on the same page here. It seems that doing the homework in this case is part of paying the price to engage in meditation. The price to be paid for meditation seems to be going up and doing a little preliminary work now will keep us out of a lot of heartache and unnecessary suffering later on. I think also that psychology is a bit more complex than it was 50 to 100 years ago, in that nowadays the trick isn’t simply to learn enough about the organism so as to fix whatever problem the client was presenting but to engage the client sufficiently as to get the client to take the journey and make the discoveries for him/herself. To do real quallity work a lot is required, although the machanistic approach from 50 years ago still works in some cases. Do you want confirmation of a kundalini awakening by someone else to say “I’ve been there too” and feel warm and fuzzy for a while, or are you looking to explore the terretory you’re in more adequately by way of the kundalini process. Are you hoping to connect with Buddhism and others who connect to Buddhism through jhana systems, or is this something based on your own experience that can help you and others gain greater clarrity and focus. In escence, what’s the point?

    FROM BILL: As usual, I end up wondering that very question when I read your posts, Sam.

  116. Santiago Says:

    Yes, it is all an unavoidable interpretation, it will always be I guess. What I meant by “original” was that they are the “earlier” teachings, not that the other buddhist schools are “unoriginal” Anyway I don’t think there’s even a point in trying to reach an ultimate agreement about this.

    BUT what people can do is to just DO the practices, by that I mean the insight practices (one of the three trainings) which can reveal experiential truths about reality that are not at all subject to developmental leves (or based on fundamentalist dogma) but available to anyone regardless where they are on the developmental scale.

    I would say there is a lot of cultural baggage around the way it is thought, that is the fundamentalist part, full of rules, etc. But I wasn’t talking about that, I was talking about the insight practices themselves and the benefits they can produce (when stripped of the dogma and fundamentalism that can be built around them, I agree with that)

    FROM BILL: Following a fundamentalist path, in my opinion, is a rejection of the idea that other people could come along and improve on the original material, or that additional discoveries could enrich it. I think the practices of the fundamentalist Buddhists are fine, but they seem narrow minded to me, as well as unwilling to learn from their own experience. “What is what” has already been decided, in their view. This leads fundamentalists to not learn from their own experience, especially if it seems to contradict the “right” way of seeing things.

  117. zen ten Says:

    who’s JC?

    FROM BILL: The subject of the this latest post.

  118. Sam Says:

    Santiago what are the three trainings you mention?

  119. Dave S Perkins Says:

    I am a little confused by Santiago’s claims on original Buddha teachings. My own admittedly limited knowledge suggests that he:

    1. Gave his teachings in the vernacular local language of the people he was speaking to (he was multilingual and not teaching in his own mother-tongue(the language he himself grew up with)).

    2. These teachings were then passed down in the traditional ORAL format from MEMORY manner by peoples using different vernacular (local) languages.

    3. In tortoise and hare fashion the peoples of the southern areas decided to convert the teachings to a written format first-in a written language format of they’re own choosing.

    4. The northern peoples later chose a differing written format that reflected they’re own oral tradition.

    5. The re-invention and mysticism of interpreting these THOUGHTS has created a mass market industry ever since.

    Bill do you have a view on when THOUGHT is a crime, given that you’re own teachings introduce an extra stage into the model sequence of events?

    FROM BILL: Thought is a crime? I don’t think so. Unaware thought, however, can create suffering.

  120. zen ten Says:

    ha ha, I’ve missed that, I did though, listen very attentively to you reading it (audio version).

  121. darlene fishel Says:

    Bill, thank you for your incredible discourse on the inescapable conditions of our existence—the human condition. REALITY—we can’t escape it. Awareness of of your internal process (as Bill says, “your map”) helps you to intelligently craft a perspective to live on and allows you to face change both “good and bad.” The belief that there is such a thing as security or certainty or that we can escape suffering is a delusion (magical thinking) that causes suffering because of the disappointment that ensues when our expectations are not realized. Work on getting to the unconscious constructs, assumptions, beliefs, values, emotional learnings that are keeping you stuck in harmful behaviors, symptoms, problems. Awareness, awareness, awareness will serve you in these dark times. Understanding your map will give you the power to respond consciously and with emotional intelligence to what happens in your life (that and doing Holosync) . A few years ago, I stood at a window with tears pouring down my face asking, ”Why am I here?” There is no answer. No one has any answers to the big questions. Why are we here? What is our purpose? Why do we suffer? The thing I do know is that we human beings live on and make choices out of the meanings we assign to our experience of reality. If you are not conscious of the meanings you have assigned, you will suffer from emotional blindness and are like a bull in a china shop with your response to reality.
    From the time I was seven and well into adulthood as a result of what seems like relatively insignificant events in my childhood, I formed a belief (unconsciously) that it was not OK to ask for help if I didn’t understand something. This caused me problems in school, work and my relationships. I was living on this unconscious construct that was part of my map– my internal reality– until I discovered that I was harboring this harmful strategy for navigating through life. Can you imagine that you have an employee who doesn’t understand something but fails to ask for help? Inevitably there will be screw ups and people will be angry and the result is that she will suffer from low self esteem and a lack of confidence. My point is do your work. Take Bill’s courses and do Holosync or see a really good therapist versed in experiential process so that you can access those unconscious constructs that are keeping you stuck and do Holosync. Do it now so that you will be prepared to consciously and intelligently face whatever comes your way. This is not a paid advertisement for Holosync. I’m not trying to kiss up to Bill. I put no one on a pedestal including myself. My exhortations are based solely on my personal experience of Holosync and how it has raised my threshold for coping with the changes life brings—that and doing my own work at uncovering the unconscious assumptions, values, beliefs and emotional learnings (my assigned meanings) that are driving unwanted symptoms, problems and behaviors. Don’t wait for some mystic to tell you what meanings to assign to your experience. DISCOVER the meanings YOU have assigned and when you have true clarity, you can easily decide whether they serve you.
    Darlene Fishel

    FROM BILL: Well said.

  122. darlene fishel Says:

    I just want to add this to my pontificating about Bill’s blog, “Isn’t It Frustrating To Be a Person,” I’ve read it three times now and each time I experience a profound sense of peace. Everyone, please listen to Bill about preparing for hard times. Let’s say things get better and this unfolding toward dark times does not occur, the worst outcome would be that you are prepared for any emergency. Don’t allow yourself to be in a position where you are beholden to some authority to rescue you or dependent on the government for your survival. If you want to be helpful to everyone help yourself first then you are in a position of strength to be useful to others.

  123. ANNETTE Says:

    Bill
    This is the first time I have written on your blog….I am on the ” Awakening Prologue”‘ about 2 months along !!! You are right that it is not always comfortable, but what comes out of the discomfort is AMAZING !!!
    I have been having all the people in my life that I have been hurt by coming thru my dream state and sometimes it awakens me to deal with it than or sometimes it on awakening in the morning….here are these people, some who I haven’t even thought about for a long time that are on my mind and it makes me deal with my feelings and It’s not always about who hurt me, but who I have hurt in the past and I am still feeling guilty about and didn’t even realize it !!!
    Any way I feel good about letting go of all these hurtful feelings before I leave this life and drop all this extra baggage !!!
    Thanks
    It’s wonderful to deal with these hurts (not even known that I am still holding these feelings) and let them go …..It is such a healing experience and I feel so much lighter for it !!!

  124. Daniel B Says:

    Hi
    I followed Ayn Rands philosophy with quite a bit of vigour these last four or five months while studying other liberty type books and Thomas sowell. The idea of really claiming my own ego and my own identity has really served me. But like when i first asked you about Ayn Rand you said that there was something about her that bugged you. Well thinking in this way seems to bug people in a very undescribable way. Because this seems to happen over and over it must be coming from me as a cause. An affirmation that i got from Ayn Rands book The anthem I think i will I am really clears my head. Which bought me to Descrates I think therefore i am i have been reading thru his seven meditations where he challenges aristotle which also oppses Ayn rands ideas. Anyway i know this all seems random and a little coherent but i feel so close to have a map that really functions for me and a clarity of who i am and what i want from the world in order to be happy. I have always felt like a individual and can fuction at a very high level when i am being an individual. I just thought why won’t people just stop getting i my way ( it seemed they did it irrationally just because they could even though what i was doing was also in their interest) but i know to live in the world we must deal with people and obviously i would like to do this in a way that serves me and them in the best way possible. To have my personal glory ego gratification but also spriritual connection and gratitude. Bill i don’t mean to try and treat you like a guru but do you see anything in what i am saying that would give me clarity? Any kind of comment or insight i would appriciate it very much. Thank you so much for this blog and for having the guts to build such a successful business because if you were just a small community type business i would never have found holysync and your work. Yr personal success enlightens millions. Holysync users will be the future leaders of the world. It must be exciting where you here from 20 year olds who are dedicated to holysync

    FROM BILL: I meant that someting PERSONALLY about Ayn Rand bugged me. She wasn’t a very happy person. I certainly agree with the idea that the best outcomes happen when people are self-reliant and the state is small. Centralized control becomes popular in times of negative social mood because people mistakenly think that the experts can make things better for you. First of all, they can’t, because no top-down system can look our for you the way you look out for you, and second because those in power don’t really care about others (with rare exceptions). They are out for power. Ayn Rand may have been missing a spiritual element. Certainly the reason why individual initiative works is that my success is based on serving others, so with that outlook everyone wins.

  125. Daniel B Says:

    Furthermore i think it is time for me to get into course two of lPIP. I noticed with myself i need to exhaust all other options before i seem to surrender. I need to let my will have a run first.

  126. Santiago Says:

    Sam the Three trainings are:

    1. Training in morality
    2. Training in concentration
    3. Training in insight

    There’s a really good book you can download here:

    http://www.interactivebuddha.com/Mastering%20Adobe%20Version.pdf

    This is based on early buddhism and I think the practices can yield great results. However I wouldn’t take anything on it as a dogmatic “truth” It just gives you great tools so that you can find out for yourself (provided of course that you do the practice).

    Also as Bill said, there have been great improvements on Buddhism as history has passed (this is 2.000 years old) so I would advice that don’t take it as the final thing.

  127. Fox Says:

    Bill, you said:
    “You choose what to have for breakfast, don’t you?”

    Really? Is it really we who decide that? Isn’t it ‘the personal preference of taste’? But where does the personal preference of taste come from…?

    Maybe genetics? Did we choose what our genetics will be at conception?
    Or if it’s our experiences when we were very young? Did we really choose what happened to us then…?

    FROM BILL: Get out of your head. Stop reading so many books about philosophy and then buying what they say without personal investigation.

    Life is not predetermined. You are not a billiard ball.

  128. zen ten Says:

    sometimes I wine, sometimes I moan, and then I see this and say: no arms, no legs, no shit! http://www.wimp.com/watchingthis/

    FROM BILL: That would be “whine.”

  129. zen ten Says:

    FROM BILL: That would be “whine.”

    ups, yes you’re right…though after several years of hs, I nowhere nearly as much whine or wine (the bottled stuff) as I did in the past :)

  130. Sam Says:

    I’ve heard of the insite training you were talking about with vipasana, and I have also heard of the training in concentration where an object like the breath is used to focus on and build up samadhi in concentration, and I was thinking that you might be going for the apex of this by describing moralitty as coming from the combination of these two previous trainings; the insite practice working with vipasana in learning about strategies, and the samadhi training focusing on one thing like the breath or perhaps a mantra to remind us of purpose. They say it’s a good idea to recite a daily purpose once in the morning after waking and once before going to sleep and perhaps it’s easier when crystalized into a mantra.

    Bill’s courses in strategy focus I think on the insite practice, and I have another course that has the breath as the focal point of concentration, and how to combine the competing methods into a greater composition that includes them both is the path that yields the greatest reward; we don’t want to miss anything. For instance the course talking about building concentration on the breath claims to develope remote viewing and other abbilities to help one get what one wants, but I think that in many respects Bill’s courses in taking the other approach are much more productive. This all takes investigation and experimentation, as most things worth doing often do.

    Do with all of that what you will! My point is that with clear study of buddhism, or Bill’s courses, or Napolion Hill or whatever, you don’t have to get into conflicts of “does remote viewing exist” or about what the “right” path to take is. We don’t have to speculate about probable futures and how they improve with certain practice, or how particular practices seem to create trends that can be explored to determine what’s the most leucrative course of action moving forward. But these things are a lot of fun and we probably will be engaged in and, what’s more, durring times of negative social mood people are much more ap to take these things ceriously rather than with an attitude of experimentation. I think that’s what Bill’s pointing out.

    Anyway I’ve lost my meaning. I like where you’re going with this Santiago.

  131. Ken Says:

    Bill,

    Does your band still do live shows? I believe you said your old club had closed down?

    FROM BILL: Of course. I’m playing tonight, in fact. And, I just recorded an album with some nationally known players and it will be available on CD Baby in about a week.

  132. Ken Says:

    Bill,

    Also, I really enjoy your FB chats. I know they’re supposed to be kind of a sales tool, which is great, but also a bit for the troops–your existing HS users. Along those lines, can you consider doing a brief, maybe 30 min chat, for those at the purification levels or above? Since you don’t do retreats anymore, it be nice to hear your current feedback for those of us working through the more advanced levels. Maybe it could be an “add on” right after your next chat so you don’t have to get the camera crew out twice?

    Just an idea…

    FROM BILL: A good idea.

  133. joel Says:

    Bill,

    What do you say about the saying, “its not what you know, but who you know?”

    Is getting ahead, making someone of yourself really about who you know and having connections?

    cheers.

    FROM BILL: It never hurts to know influential people, especially if you can convince them to help you.

  134. Erik Says:

    Hey Bill,

    I wanted to ask if you know of any specific ways to make money on the internet? I understand that you have recommended ETR and their stuff before… Can you recommend anything like that to me?

    I would really like to find a way to create value and make money doing something I like(who doesn’t?). And I’d also like to buy more Holosync(all of it in fact), but I don’t have the money. Perhaps you could point me in the right direction.

    It’s largely thanks to you and Holosync that I went back to school and started getting straight A’s in math(a subject I actually failed once in my last school). Except for the first couple of days, I’ve felt almost no stress at all.

    If I have felt stressed on occasion it’s never come close to overwhelming me(not even in the first few days). That’s a totally new situation. It used to suck really bad in my last school(I probably spent most of the last couple of years constantly overwhelmed… I got a LOT of issues out of that). And the sciences actually seem interesting now. I’m seriously working on understanding them.

    I’m noticing my internal representations more often and with increasing clarity. It also feels like I’m going to a new level in my “spiritual progress”(I wonder if there’s any way to know if I’m going to the 2nd rank of Tozan or not?). I actually understand now what the words like “presence” and “consciousness” are pointing to. They don’t sound like cliches anymore…

    Thank you Bill, and I really wish you all the best.

    Erik

    FROM BILL: Keep learning. And, remember that the only (honest) way to make money is to provide something that provides value for others or solves a problem they have. That’s what you need to build a business.

  135. Kathy S Says:

    I’d like to second Ken’s suggestion. I’m on the last cd of AL4 and plan to start purification levels some time this year and I too would love to hea you speak about the more advanced levels.

    I’m one of those people that didn’t really notice much happening as I listened but kept listening anyway. Plenty of upheaval. Just didn’t connect it to HS because upheaval seemed a normal part of my life long before HS. 3 years on and I look back to see that I AM a different person. Without going into details, my threshold is definitely higher than it used to be and I’m much more content with life. Upheaval still happens and some things, like being unemployed for 6 months, still keep me awake at night but overall, I handle everything much better. Hoping it will get continue to do so.

    I don’t know about other users, but I have found it really helpful to combine Holosync with other forms of meditation. My all time favourite is Jeddah Mali’s Changing the Paradigm series. If JC did read the blog, I would definitely suggest it to him. I would be very surprised if he still experienced “nothing” after listening to Jeddah. She certainly sends my spirit soaring. I wonder whether listening to Holosync has enhanced my experience with Jeddah but whatever the case, it works for me.

    I know it’s important, but I’m really pleased to see we’ve left “negative social mood” alone for a bit. It seems to be an inexhaustible but exhausting topic.

  136. Dave S Perkins Says:

    Well I spent a lot of this year simply reading many of the recommended books as well as some of my own selections, I think what really stands out for myself from Bill’s teachings and books such-as as the one provided by Santiago are the ideas of conceptual frameworks and the map is not the territory, we can all walk into any distribution outlet and buy into the conceptual frameworks provided by people in those fields-in any walk of life or area of expertise.

    I know Bill doesn’t buy into conspiracy theories and the like but after reading some of these (what I would refer to as) heavy duty reading books I recently went to a book store and had a book “The Secret Code”–Priya Hemenway–practically leap into my hands, it was really really enjoyable, entertaining and informative read with pictures and descriptions all relating to a simple math formula that is found in nature and has been used by humans in just about every field of human enterprise, industry and endeavour ever known, a real eye opener and a joy after as I said earlier reading so many heavy duty topics. The negativity is genuinely they’re when you look at the news reports and see how the World is turning, but I am damn sure Holosync and some mighty fine underpinning conceptual frameworks can change our lives with some determination and resolve and an increased threshold.

    Bill have you read-The Secret Code-and do you believe conceptual frameworks and formulas can be discovered that underpin the whole of creation?

    FROM BILL: I have not read The Secret Code. Is something a secret if it’s in a book? Mathematicians have of course found a mathematical way to describe the relationships governing how matter and energy behave. These are just a description of relationships, though, not the “underpinning of the whole of creation.” The whole of creation is just what it is, and math is one way to describe something about it.

    Elevating mathematics to the level of causation seems a bit over the top to me. It’s no different that “explaining” things by saying that God created them (which then sends you on to “Then who created God”–and if you answer that one it creates another question, and so on). This is a logical flaw called “begging the question” (look it up). It essentially means that it just shifts the question about the unknown by attributing it’s cause to something else as if the something else were a definitive and final answer rather than just describing the same question but in a different way.

    No one really knows (or can know) the “underpinnings” of the universe, or why it’s here, or where it’s going–and no one ever will. As the ancient Vedic scholars said, this would be like trying to bite your own teeth, or trying to set fire on fire.

    Such books are fun, though.

  137. Dennis in London Says:

    “…for those of us working through the more advanced levels. Maybe it could be an “add on” right after your next chat so you don’t have to get the camera crew out twice?”

    Ken that is a truly excellent idea

    Regards,

    Dennis

  138. Ganesh Says:

    Bill, I can’t find your album on CD Baby…

    FROM BILL: Should be up soon.

  139. Dave S Perkins Says:

    In The STARGAZER’S Guide -Emily Winterburn, she mentions that there will be a Transit (Astronomers term) of Venus (which can be seen) passing across the surface of the Sun on the 6th day of the 6th month (June) 2012, this date isn’t important in or of off itself, yet I happened to notice that it coincides almost to the day with Her Majesty’s Queen Elizabeth’s 60-th Jubilee celebrations which then set me thinking regarding what you said earlier:-

    It’s no different that “explaining” things by saying that God created them (which then sends you on to “Then who created God”–and if you answer that one it creates another question, and so on). This is a logical flaw called “begging the question” (look it up). It essentially means that it just shifts the question about the unknown by attributing it’s cause to something else as if the something else were a definitive and final answer rather than just describing the same question but in a different way.

    All these 6 related mathematics can be regarded as what Swiss psychologist Carl Jung invented the word ‘SYNCHRONICITIES’ for, much as the TITANIC and the COSTA CONSORTA sinking in a ’12 year is a synchronicity. Although it isn’t a science per se, many people who are open to seeing, noticing and following (going with the flow)of these types of synchronicites claim to live more empowered lives, Given that Holosync creates awareness etc etc, is being open to living within the perceptual realms of these types of events helpful or further misdirection:-

    Can Awareness of synchronicites be helpful in navigating our lives in a more prosperous abundant fashion, or are these simply more of the same circular paradigm of cause and effect?

    My own thinking has actually moved away from circular thinking and more into spiral (spiracular? thinking if such a word exists) I’m not sure if that is simply the way my current upheavals are taking me or just because that is where all the reading and researching has taken me (I have genuinely sought to research across a very broad base of subject matters; so far most areas lead or stem from ideas about spiral-type-cycles or at least that seems to be one of the synchronistic point’s that has appeared in my awareness.

    Any pointers/enlightenment on synchronicity and spirals? IE. Does acceptance of synchronicity increase or reduce resistance?

    Would one be better of first seeking going inwards towards the centre of your lifecycle spiral before moving outwards again in alignment (my preferred option) or would it be better to be where you are at and move outwards hoping to hit centered alignment with your outwards lifecycle spiral, assuming there is know correct answer-which works best in the Holosync user experience (I hope what I’ve written makes sense, it can be difficult without visual pictures to get across what I’m asking.)

    FROM BILL: All unsupported nonsense. Magical thinking with no relation to the actual laws governing the universe. Give me a break.

  140. Moshe Says:

    Hey Bill,

    What happened to “hell in a handbasket predictions?” it seems like things are going to go the opposite of what you were predicting. Economy is improving, public mood is brightening, those protests are becoming a matter of pride and solidarity, the law is being respected, and Gold has lost value, oddly when you were recommending people buy gold on your blog previously it was during a time when Gold was at it’s most inflated price in many years, that’s a very odd time to tell people to buy Gold don’t you think?

    I wanted to share an article with you. You see we live in a time that is reminiscient of Galileo’s time. When all the monkey’s (experts) said one thing, and science said the opposite. All the experts said the earth was the center of the universe, and everything revolved around it. Then Galileo’s telescope revealed moons orbiting other planets. This was very upsetting to the experts.

    Today science is again contradicting all the wise experts (monkey’s) and when the experts all agree that you have choice, and this is a choice universe. The people who actually study the actual brain are building an increasingly strong narrative, based on facts, that demonstrates that choice is a myth. Here is an excerpt from another popular article about the ongoing science dissolving the myth of free will and choice.

    “Not free will”, says Haynes. “Decisions are caused by unconscious brain processes, then consciousness kicks in later.” In Haynes’ view, our conscious decisions are predetermined by brain activity even if we cannot yet completely decode that activity. “It is subjective experience that you think that you have free will. It’s something that is implausible, its incompatible with the scientific deterministic universe anyway.” http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/insidenova/2012/02/science-of-free-will-you-may-not-have-it.html#.TzvJWDiZ7mo.facebook

    FROM BILL: Social mood does not go in one direction. It moves in waves that have corrections. We are in one right now. The economy isn’t improving, though (temporarily) social mood is. The government always flood the economy with liquidity (in this case, more of the poisonous debt that created the problem in the first place) before an election. The overall movement of social mood is down, with periodic counter movements.

    And you obviously had no choice about posting what you wrote. You are a mindless robot who must post. Rubbish.

  141. zen ten Says:

    entering the stream…

    This fellow way back in the human story, by the name of Shaktimuni, aka ‘the buddha’, called it, ‘entering the stream’. He did not mean, as so many religious academics and translators would tell you, to ‘follow the noble path of enlightenment’. That is how they translate it, but they are not active on the path, standing distant from it while they critique it. So they do not know.

    entering the stream is not some vague religious idea. Shaktimuni was not out to create a religion. He was seeking his own personal enlightenment, and he did so in the tradition of the experiencer as observer noting the experience for those who also follow this path in life. Shaktimuni, very much like any modern ‘hobbyist’, even though off doing his own experience, was part of a larger group pursuing the same goal. Thus, as with any ‘hobbyist’, Shaktimuni would go back to the ‘clubhouse’ and tell all his buddies about his new discovery in their common hobby.

    entering the stream is about ‘upshifting’ your ability to perceive the vibrational substrate of manifesting matterium. Within the human mind, when such an upshift occurs, there are a series of predictable effects, and responses. These are detailed exhaustively in tons of buddhist texts most of which are too tedious to read and have it all wrong anyway as the writers of those texts are passing commentary, and not actually entering the stream themselves.

    shaktimuni, and the others of his time who are also into ‘continuous creation bathing’, would enter the stream as a function of the abilities that are allowed to the mind when its owner meditates.

    There, within the stream, the hobbyists, would sit, and observe universe creating itself.

    There, within the stream, the aware observer, no longer trapped in the mundane kleshas, is able to note the presence of ‘others’ also within the stream. Some are also human. These stand out like anchor lights against a long dark shore line.

    Some are not human. Encounters with them can be ….problematic, and interesting.

    shaktimuni had a buddy in the enlightenment hobby. His name has come down to us as ‘mahavira’, but we note that this actually means ‘great/good word’, so his name is really his own business. Shaktimuni wanted to reach enlightenment outside of the religious context, so he succeeded, and they built a religion around his experience. Mahavira decided to reach his goal within an existing non-religious context, and thus he succeeded within jainism. Both reached enlightenment.

    The religion of buddhism obscures shaktimuni’s reports of his experience. Not so with mahavira. His reports are detailed, and not subjected to reinterpretation. The various adherents of the buddha’s message, encountering his words over time, usually in the context of the religion that was added on, each felt that they must contribute their component to the evolution of the religion and so they commented on, and reinterpreted Shaktimuni’s words. Mahavira bypassed all that by doing his hobby work within the framework of the jainist SOC (self organizing collective).

    One of shaktimuni’s real contributions to our collective hobby was to detail the various ‘things’ that one encounters along the way. His description of encountering the kalapa ‘particles’ as they manifest is masterful. His taxonomy of the ‘flow’ of the stream is also an excellent guide to the ‘tides and currents’ within continuous creation of reality.

    But where Mahavira kicks Shaktimuni’s ass is in the observation of the human response. Where Shaktimuni was masterful in observing the apparent ‘external’ components of entering the stream, Mahavira was focused on observing the human response to the experience of entering the stream.

    Each are necessary to encounter. Once the entering has become ‘simple’, then the wisdom of Mahavira’s observations become most valuable.

    The particular point that was most meaningful to me, as i became more adept at swimming in the stream, was to follow Mahavira’s advice to separate observation, perception, and impression, and thus to be able to separate self from the experience while having it. Therein is true freedom.

    It is so. Only through self isolation while immersed does one realize that the generative spin is naturally clockwise (for lack of a better term in this plane of reference). Then Mahavira’s (and master Lu, of the complete reality school of taoism) advice to ‘exercise will’ becomes meaningful.

    The clockwise spin of the stream is generative. Those with will can alter their personal experience of the spin, and the stream.

    The kalapa’s are Neal Adams ‘prime matter particles’.

    The recent surge in the rate of stream activity relates to the sun. Causality is not known. The recent surge in stream activity is connected to the growing planets. The stream causes the planets to grow.

    Newly arrived ‘others’ have entered the stream.

    Old enemies, the butt head ‘elites’, are affecting the stream with their machineries (probably cern, but more than one location is causing interference). Purpose unknown, but intent likely not benign.

    To those who would ask, entering the stream is about doing your work on your relationship to the kleshas, to the ties that bind your mind to the material plane of existence. It is an activity that you do, not discuss. Learn to meditate is the start, or eradicate the ego through massive doses of psychedelics. The former is a lot easier, with a far lower risk of death.

    Those who are bound by desire see only the object. Freed of the klesha, all that remains is the mystery.

    posted February 15, 2012 by clif high

    FROM BILL: Whatever you might say about Zen isn’t Zen.

  142. Sam Says:

    That’s kind of like the light, isn’t it Bill. Using language to describe the light doesn’t work for one who hasn’t had the experience of witnessing it. For when one tries to explain it, one finds that well, uh… You can’t really describe to me the light. Also I don’t know if they talk about emptiness in zen.

    FROM BILL: You can’t describe anything.

  143. sam Says:

    As a practising holosyncer, i have a question regarding the overwhelm, which i think i’m in the thick of at the moment.
    In your opinion, is the resistance resolved better, in terms the efficiency of reorganizing mental maps, by abstaining from holosync for a period or is it better to sort of ‘push through’ and keep holosyncing as always?

    FROM BILL: What causes upheaval is your own resistance to what you are experiencing. You are becoming aware of things about yourself that you had to disown or repress in order to be okay in your family. Now that your awareness is increasing you are becoming aware of this stuff, and because you long ago decided it wasn’t okay, you are resisting it.

    So the first prescription is to watch what you are feeling, what internal representations you are making, etc, with awareness. To be curious and watch. “Push through” something is itself resistance. Instead, watch with awareness. Say, “Hmmm, interesting” a lot. Be interested instead of trying to”get rid of” whatever is happening.

    If you are doing that as much as is possible for you right now, and it is still too much for you, then consider taking a day or two off. The cause, though, isn’t too much Holosync, but rather too much resistance. That’s why reducing the resistance is the solution.

    This is a question, by the way, for our support department. That’s why we have one.

  144. Ken Says:

    Bill, thanks for answering Sam’s question. I had the same thoughts a couple of weeks back when changing disks in purification. I was like, whoa, that’s a lot of new stuff. Should I take a few days off or push through? Then I started remembering what you said (above) as I’ve heard you say it a dozen times by now.

    I wonder why I keep forgetting the basics? Maybe because I’m in the midst of overwhelm I’m not thinking as clearly?

    Regardless, that’s one of the reasons I keep reading your blog and other writings. I keep “relearning” things I really should have learned by now.

  145. Dave S Perkins Says:

    FROM BILL: All unsupported nonsense. Magical thinking with no relation to the actual laws governing the universe. Give me a break.

    There is much material available documenting peoples experiences of synchronicity in life and a quick internet search would discover many examples and books. At a stretch I might even suggest that the research of Nobel Laureate in Economics Daniel Kahneman and his system 1 and system 2 approach (Thinking, fast and slow (wonderful book)), supports the theory. He promotes the idea of statistical thinking which I’m not completely convinced of, yet he also suggests exceptionally well that “”Causality” is a Powerful Illusion”.

    The mathematical side is difficult to write about in a blog because we are all so well trained in base 10 decimal mathematics yet all historical records demonstrate base-2,base-10,base-20,base-60, the Egyptians even had a method of mathematics that got around nonterminating fractions.. You tell us to do the homework I’ve done way weigh too much.

    The only difference between science magic and magic magic is that one spells silly con as silicon and sells it with an air of respectability (and yes provides us with goods that we debatedly need). When Richard-Stephen-Dawkins-Hawkins comes out with a Theory of the Principle of Unfolding Parallel sub-quantum Atomic-Neuclitidal laminated holophonziis everyone will bow down at the genius of his power of bullshit.

    Do you have any examples of how resistance can manifest itself?

    FROM BILL: No, the difference between science and magic is that one is based on the known (and proven) laws of cause and effect, and the other is based on a silly and unsupportable hope/belief that those laws can be suspended, changed, or manipulated with your mind.

    The whole basis of most things we have created as humans is causality. Why do those things work so consistently if causality is an illusion. And, mathematics is a description of reality. It doesn’t prove anything about reality.

  146. Jem Says:

    Now this is probably going to sound rarther foolish, but as I see much of human systems foolish it kind of begs the question to be asked. The world is in debt country A is in debt to country B, country B is in debt to country C etc, etc. Yes I realise thats extremly simplified but….So we see countries creating vast amounts of money to kick start the economy, my question why doesn’t everybody just create enough money to pay of there debts. It would make money worthless you say, why its all an illusionanyway, monoply money created by humans and governed by human rules. Why is it ok to print vast amounts of money to through into the economy and not pay of your debts.

    Also I think it was you who mentioned that in ancient Rome every so often all debt was cancelled out, the slate made clean and things started from scratch again, is this even considered as a viable option today, or could this only happen as Rome owned much of the world/with one power?

    I realise maybe not the most educated questions, but it seems like we create these problems, we hold the rules in our hands and hence have the power to change them for our benefit, yet it seems we have been caught by our own creations because we are not willing to see our selfs with the power to change the rules. We are like kids playing make up games in the garden, taking the rules of the game far to seriously. Anyway thoughts appreciated.

    FROM BILL: Because what you suggest is dishonest. The idea of forgiving debts sounds great if you owe money to someone (and aren’t honest enough to know that you ought to pay it back). What about the person who loaned the money out, based on a promise to be repaid? If people couldn’t count on being repaid, no one would loan anyone money. Most of the wealth you enjoy–all the buildings and roads and energy utilities and inventions and medical breakthroughs and appliances and modes of transportantion, etc, etc, were created through someone being able to borrow money (“capitalizing” an asset, ie, pledging it as collateral for a loan with which they created something that threw off enough income to repay the loan–this is what capitalism actually is).

    As to creating money out of thin air to pay off debts, this makes the money worth less. Great for the person who has debts, since they can pay it back with money that is worth less than the original units they borrowed and therefore easier to acculate to pay off the debt. But what about the person who loaned the money, which has a certain amount of purchasing power? He is being stolen from in this scenario. Are you in favor of that? Some people who have less than others think that taking away from those who have something is a great idea. I think it is stealing and such things cause a breakdown in society.

    How would you feel if you worked hard and saved money, and then someone in charge of the economy flooded it with phoney money and your savings now will only buy 1/10th of what if could have bought at the time you earned it?

    Money isn’t an illusion. It’s a medium of exchange and a store of value. Without it we could only have a barter system, and it might take you a LONG time to get what you want if you have to trade this for that and then that for something else and something else for another thing, and then that thing for what you want. And, if the money is adulterated as a store of value, those who have money are being robbed by those who create the counterfeit money.

    Any economic action based on dishonesty and theft will end in huge problems in a society. In fact, it will end in a total breakdown of civilzation. Want proof? Stick around. It’s happening now, and will continue till the unfortunate bitter end. Or, read history. Get the book This Time It’s Different.

  147. Dennis in London Says:

    A very interesting point on overwhelm Ken – I am now on disc three Purification level 3 and actually had the ‘threat’ of a panic attack the other day, and I did find it almost impossible to ‘look at it with interest’ as I had done previously.

    Having said that, I now seem to have a kind of indelible ‘link’ inside me that seems to kick in that really helps me get past such awful feelings. For me, it is simply down to trusting Bill 100% on what he has said, time and time again – it’s as if a kind of battle takes place within me and now, I have the appropriate ‘ammunition’ from Bill to stand up to it – why?

    Because it works!

    Although my overwhelms are now very few and far between, they always seem like some kind of bully that always won – until now – and if I do have some feelings of doubt or overwhelm I now have much more control over them and I am always the winner!

  148. Sam Says:

    I suppose I’m not clear here. On the one hand it seems that you’re saying that it’s simply impossible to say anything because it’s, well, impossible. On the other the hand the koan of “he who knows and says” comes to mind (please don’t quoat me) . I think it’s to be found in one of your lessons, but those who need to know already do or can figure out lesson one paragraph blah blah blah.

    FROM BILL: Every time you post you prove my point. Or that you should keep quite so as not to embarrass yourself.

  149. Sam Says:

    Please, if you will, enlighten me on how my asking questions that you can’t or won’t answer is an embarrassment for me.

    FROM BILL: Since you asked: because the questions are ridiculous questions most of the time. The betray the fact that you don’t know what you’re talking about. Your thinking is all confused, and the questions you ask show that. In fact, it’s so confused that I can see that my answering the questions (or telling you what is wrong with it) isn’t going to help because you won’t undersatnd my answer. I know this, Sam, because you have been asking me questions and not understanding my answers for nearly 10 years now.

  150. Ron Potter Says:

    I thought I could add a comment. I do the Holosync meditation and did the Life Principles course last year. I am involved with other teachings as well, mainly Abraham Hicks and the Course in Miracles. What I can do now as a result of Holosync and Bill’s course is literally put together my beliefs and values in a package that serves me. I choose what I want to believe (doesn’t necessarily need to be true) and what I value. I’m pretty good at seeing myself from the witness perspective acting out beliefs or thought patterns that create suffering or panic or whatever unpleasant results I experience. I adjust my strategies to line up with a new thought pattern to get to a new place. Seeing my unresourceful patterns has been most helpful and then knowing what to do about it follows almost automatically. My life is not all roses but it seems I am bringing it around to a steady improving of health, finances, family, friends and fun. So thanks Bill. Thanks a lot!

  151. Ken Says:

    Dennis, appreciate your thoughts on this. I must say, it is nice having overwhelm less and less as I get higher up. I too trust Bill 100% at this point and it helps carry me through when I do. Red wine also helps.
    Cheers, Ken

  152. Daniel B Says:

    I have started studying Marxism as i wanted to know what the real ideas were and see how they have influence society. I found it very difficult at first i really did not want to read it as was scared i would somehow be influenced by it.
    The reason I keep studying and expanding my mind is so that i can have a map of the world which creates great results. I wanted the results to be the evidence of my ideas being accurate. I am still young however and would say moving from crawling into the walking stage of way to navigate the world. Because i study this information daily it is always there ready for discussion. But what i find is that people often want to argue points and dissect everything the way they are taught in university where the best argument is the winner. Where as i am more interested what ideas get the best results for the greatest number. And by talking about it i can expand my perspective by learning how others think. However people get very frustrated when you are confident of certain ideas feeling confident because i have thought them through and integrated them. Its like we are supposed to stay in this oscillating minded state unsure of any ideas and only sure if we can argue them. Rather than having thought thru the ideas and integrated them and then made them available to be used in an active philosphy. So coming back to my point reading Marxism seems to make me more like water around these people when discussions take place i still do not buy their ideas but now i am beginning to under stand how they originate. This is all improtant to me as when an argument takes place i seem to get totally off track lose all my momentum and inner orientation and gotta start climbing the wall all over again.
    I am writing this as this is the one place in the world where i feel intellectually appropriate to try and expresss this experience.
    Thank you Richard Martin for encouraging this expanded idea of studying.
    Also Bill learning from you does involve full responsibilty because you set sail into the opposite direction of where society is heading which obviously in the long run is a very good idea, however in the short term contains some real growing pains. I do understand that their os something in my map that creates these upheavals, but it does still seem society is very touchy about these topics
    Is this a similar experience of others? Any advice or insight please?

    Thank you i know its long winded

    Daniel

    FROM BILL: Many years ago, I WAS a Marxist. I read the entire three volumes of Das Kapital, Marx’s giant tome about the inevitable fall of capitalism and emergence of socialism. I read most of what Lenin wrote, much of what Mao Tse Tung (or however they spell it these days) wrote. I read Engels, Stalin, and many of the other European leftists. I read many books about Chinese communism and Cuban communism. I read the books by “New Left” authors from the 60s. And so on.

    All very convincing–until you read the counter arguments and realize that they are cherry-picking the information and telling one side of the story and leaving out what is inconvenient. And, until you see the horrible devistation Marxism has created wherever it has been tried.

    Marx’s main argument about why capitalism is bad is called the labor theory of value, which says that the amount of labor that goes into something determines its value. Because of this, the laborer (Marx argues) should get the money spent on the product because he created the value.

    The flaw in this is actually rather obvious: what determines the value of something is what a willing buyer will pay. If you don’t think something is worth it, you don’t buy it. Instead you look for a more reasonably-priced alternative. And what if someone puts a lot of labor into a product no one wants, or is crappily made? Is is still work a lot because someone put a lot of labor into it? Obviously not.

    This is one of the main arguments for a free market: the wants of the buyer and his or her assessment of value is all that matters. If someone makes something and no one will buy it, he has to lower his price. If he can’t lower it enough that people want it and still make money, then the product obviously isn’t worth making. (A good example of this is Amtrak, by the way, which costs many multiples of dollars more than people pay for and exists only because the government forces people to pay for it through their taxes. Extremely wasteful.)

    The other argument against Marxism is that everywhere it has been tried it ends in poverty, scarcity, lack of choice, mass killings, endless bureacracy, and a totalitarian lack of personal freedom.

  153. Daniel B Says:

    I have also started LPIP course two and have some pretty amazing experiences. Off experiences. Readng back over my post i can see it seems like i might be mistaking the map for the territory. It all takes quite a while to get.

  154. Moshe Says:

    Hi Bill,

    I respect your incredible mind, but that doesn’t mean your always right.

    Shortly before I read your response
    “And you obviously had no choice about posting what you wrote. You are a mindless robot who must post. Rubbish.” quote from Bill

    I read this
    about how very intelligent highly educated conservatives are very dissmissive of ideas, preferring to align themselves with collective conservative identity, while liberals seem willing to consider an align themselves with facts
    http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/154252/the_republican_brain:_why_even_educated_conservatives_deny_science_–_and_reality

    Then I thought about the 12th lesson of the 3rd Life Principles Integration Process where you talked about “Transactional Analysis and Games People Play”

    Do you think the Liberal and Conservative politics amount to Games People Play? How do you see your role in those games if so?

    Finally a friend posted this very interesting question to a Christian friend, because Christianity is a facet of the religion of choice.

    “Would you be willing to face the truth even if it meant that your messiah was really one and the same with your devil? Would you be willing to face the truth if it turned out that choice was really a myth that contradicted scientific fact?”

    I thought it was good, so I am forwarding the Part of the question to you.

    Would you be willing to face the truth if it turned out that choice was really a myth that contradicted scientific fact? Would you be willing to take a controversial idea seriously instead of being immediately dismissive. Do you think it’s possible at least that the deterministic perspective is a valid one?

    FROM BILL: First, I am not a conservative. No, conservatism and liberalism are not games in the sense Eric Bern uses the term in Transactional Analysis. Games and transactions people have with other people in order to get strokes and to prove that what TA calls “their position” is accurate.

    Choice obviously happens. I choose what to eat every morning, and I choose what I am going to type as I think of it. Certainly what you have learned and experiences determines what you do, but there are many paths you can go down in each moment, some more probable and some less probable. What happens is one of an infinite number of choices determined by the complexities of chaos theory. This has been shown to be true time after time and is widely accepted by the scientific community. That everything is predetermined is considered to be a crank point of view–and for a good reason. When you see something that clearly is contradicted by common sense and everything you can see around you, believe your common sense.

    Instead, why don’t you prove to me that everything is preordained? I think it’s preordained that you can’t.

  155. Eric Says:

    I understand the possibility of getting stuck at the third rank, but I always thought that it would be far easier to do shadow work, and integrate the transcendent with the human experience once a person is awakened. It seems like it is more “cost-effective” to seek transcendent first, and then worry about integration. What do you think?

    On the other hand, lately I have been unnerved reading a bit about a certain western guru who died recently, and it seems to me that he become an enlightened megalomaniac – and formed a very successful cult based on his delusions of being “The World Teacher”. It bothers me to think that transcendental awareness without proper integration has THIS as a potential pitfall…

    FROM BILL: You are assuming that transcendence has something to do with being good or behaving in a certain way.

  156. Dave S Perkins Says:

    The whole basis of most things we have created as humans is causality. Why do those things work so consistently if causality is an illusion. And, mathematics is a description of reality. It doesn’t prove anything about reality.

    Known and articulated mathematics is a subset description of reality-Yes It is a pedantic point but has to be made, the search to fill in the gaps is the motivation for science to exist isn’t it? Why did ancient humans create a circle of big stones called Stonehenge that look like a circle of doors or the mathematical symbol we use for pi? Why do modern computer chips look like mini replicas of Greek/Roman temples? Why isn’t Catholicism called Maryism? My own choice is to seek the transcendence because my EGO bank account wasn’t working for me, too many greedy Algorithms all competing for too little space. Overwhelm clears out that ego bank account, leaving me as somewhat of a lazy ceiling surfer, is that a bad thing-possibly, but with no recollection of ever having had as clear a head as I have now I want to enjoy that, and ignore refuse the circular drama that confused folks keep trying to draw me into, judgemental projection of you’re subconscious stuff onto others can be used to raise people up, but more often than not triggers long lost representational anchors that cause suffering.

    The small world (6 degrees of separation) theory demonstrates that very few individuals are required to effect global or community thinking, I believe its even been demonstrated that popular writers have 3 degrees of separation, and similar figures can be shown for movie/tv stars et al.

    reducing reality to mathematical algorithms and numbers seemingly reduces all the mental games of substitution we all play when anchors are triggered by substitution, and when I say substitution I mean the cascade effect in our heads of associated words and our learned good/bad responses.

    Is it possible to relearn being motivated or indeed have things to be motivated about, when the people in the World around you are so psychologically trapped and reversed. The serve you philosophy is just another preordained algorithm isn’t it?

    FROM BILL: You sure do believe a lot of things that you read or heard a little bit about–without knowing the full story.

  157. Eric Says:

    I didn’t mean to make that assumption. But what I am asking is if having unlimited access to the transcendent automatically gives some sort of advantage when it comes to unveiling and integrating shadow material. Not because transcendence is “good,” but possibly because it provides a higher platform from which to see yourself? I have heard that the shadow often becomes more covert and more difficult to see once you are at the third rank. I can see how that might happen in some cases where there is ego inflation (hence possible megalomania) from the transcendental experiences, but if you know about shadow and have good tools for working with it – it seems like you should be able to work with it more effectively when you have access to transcendental states. You always say awareness is the key to working with yourself, and my understanding is transcendence is pure awareness.

    As as side, I have always heard teachers say that much of your “stuff” “falls away” when you reach enlightenment, but I never bought into that much because I was already exposed to your teachings on the five ranks of Tozan. I do shadow work and try to live an honest life – this question isn’t about my ego trying to make excuses to not work on myself (I hope). I am curious about the mechanics of the enlightenment process, so to speak.

    FROM BILL: There is no shadow stuff in the transcendent. The transcendent transcends everything. It is a place of no ideas, which means no things, no events. Nothing happens in the transcendent. Having experienced the transcendent just tells you that your normal work is one of ideas, which includes ideas called things and events. Your shadows still remain.

  158. Moshe Says:

    ‘prove to me that everything is preordained’ What I have learned is about quantum strangeness is that we are literally defined by everything else. That is not to say that what happens next is completely predictable. Chaos theory demonstrates that some things are so complex they are just beyond any known ability to predict those things. Chaos theory does not mean that the cosmos is not deterministic, it just means its too difficult to predict. That said if I could persuade you that there is no ‘real’ choice that would be a feat wouldn’t it? Would you care to place a strong bet against my ability to persuade you that choice is a myth? If I am successful then you step down from your position as Director of Centerpointe, and I pick your replacement. That would satisfy for me the cost of the lesson in successfully persuading you that choice is an illusion.

    FROM BILL: What happens in the quantum realm has nothing to do with your life, or whether you make choices (you do).

  159. Sam Says:

    You can describe what a strawburry tastes like if you’re determined enough.

    FROM BILL: No you cannot. Not accurately.

  160. zen ten Says:

    Ken Wilber on the Ever-Nearing Apocalypse:

    Each altitude sees the apocalypse differently: Red is currently stocking ammunition and digging bunkers in Montana, Amber is eagerly anticipating the Rapture just before the arrival of the Four Horsemen, Orange prognosticates a very gloomy future after the total collapse of the global economy, while Green just hopes we make it to 2012 before we all boil alive in our own atmosphere. Are we facing an inevitable end of everything? Or are we experiencing an entirely new set of global life conditions which—painful and chaotic as they are—will nonetheless lead to a more sane and integral future? Repent, the Beginning is near!!!

    Video: http://youtu.be/1v7GCXw_50s

    Bottom line: keep meditating and get your sorry ass to 2nd tier! :-)

  161. Carmen Says:

    Hi Bill and everybody, after a long time not reading the blog and limiting my meditation time to holosync, I’ve just found this new episode, the letter from JC and Bill’s answer. Although I’m going to read immediately all you’ve written here, the first thing I need to say is that maybe the very problem of JC is the lack of feelings, maybe he cannot -or at least he thinks he can’t- feel joy neither suffering. And maybe that is the reason because of what he looks for ways to escape this situation. I remember when aftter having passed influenza I could not taste any kind of food, although I was regularly hungry; I felt so uncomfortable not being able to taste food that I ended up eating a big lemon entirely (I mean together with its cover). By doing that at least I could taste something, although it was not a nice taste. In a different scale, of course, maybe JC took drugs and other desperate “exists”, not to get rid of suffering, just to feel something inside himself.
    I agree that our human condition gets us going from joy to suffering, somehow without any reason at all. The problem for JC and for many people -specially young people-, sometimes my own problem, is not to be able to fill a kind of gap between life’s rhythm and what I experience and name as myself.
    As ever, it feels great to write here, so thanks again for all your programme and dedication, Bill.Going to my partners’ posts now. Cheers and again, excuse my poor English.

  162. Santiago Says:

    Interesting scientific study about the relationship of wealth and unethical behavior, apparently rich people have a higher tendency to feel entitled to do what they please and high status creates a higher tendency to turn people unethical

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/02/27/the_rich_are_different_from_you_and_me_they_re_jerks.html

    Bill I think you see wealth as a sign of virtue … I do too … what do you think of this ?

    FROM BILL: Sounds like bullshit to me. Most of the wealthy people I know are generous. I’m sure you can find plenty of people rich or poor who are good people–or bad. This study, I’ll bet, was done by someone wanting to “prove” something.

  163. Dave S Perkins Says:

    FROM BILL: You sure do believe a lot of things that you read or heard a little bit about–without knowing the full story.

    Well maybe reading Enid Blyton’s The Magic Faraway Terror Tree as a kid wasn’t such a good idea so now I have to satisfy myself with the dreaded Economics Books you recommended though admittedly This Time is Different is actually very readable (I seem to be ploughing through it quite rapidly) maybe it’ll sort out my bodies Eco-System. The Self-Compassion chick-lit type books about how you talk to you yourself are reminiscent of hypnosis/NLP literature on how you speak to you yourself, so perhaps an early lesson everyone needs to learn in knowing that the map is not the territory is that the first person you effect with what comes out of your mouth is you yourself and you’re own physical body.

    I am generally amiable and easygoing and happy to get on with people of all creeds, but I have to set myself sensible boundaries and so many people in society have extremely obsessive box-traps they want you to step into, whilst I’m happy to see alternative perspectives and am happy with the promotion of freedom of choice I am a human being and can generally only relate to people in those terms. Every prejudice or learned idea of a sin seems to have a personal (beating yourself up ) cost, why do that?

    I’ll soon be taking delivery of “The Better Angels of Our Nature:The Decline of Violence in History and Its Causes”- Stephen Pinker

    This seems to fly in direct opposition to what you yourself are teaching, or are you simply meaning the “here and now” that we each of us exist in presently, ie what’s the point of a broader long term perspective if you’re too busy suffering to appreciate it? Do you have a view on Experimental Psychologist Stephen Pinker’s work or indeed his back catalogue?

    FROM BILL: Regardless of what Stephen Pinker says, violence goes up and down along with social mood. Higher developmental stages are less violent, though, and the developmental center of gravity is slowly going up. As this happens, one’s perspective includes more awareness of others, which makes it more difficult to be violent toward them. There are still plenty of people in the world at violence-oriented developmental levels.

  164. Moshe Says:

    I was just thinking about how Mind/Body creates a highly coordinated reaction, to an extremely well sorted prediction, from a very high resolution internal representation, of a complex multi sensory temporal life experience. Choice is not necessary for life to function the way it already does. Choice was not necessary for the highly coordinate reaction that posted this blog and posted replies to the other highly coordinated reactions. What you wanted in the past was determined by the physics governing your braincells, what you order for breakfast is a coordinated reaction to a prediction that developed in your mind from the physical interactions of neurons reacting to electrons from your senses, from your life experience. The choice for breakfast was really a highly coordinated reaction to what physics decided you wanted because of the process of predicting what you want, that happened in a machine that happened in a brain. This process outlined in cognitive science is now being used to make intelligence machines that think using the same formula of prediction making that human brains use to generate thought.

    FROM BILL: You are entitled to you uninformed opinion. Could you please, though, go spread it somewhere else? It is becoming more boring every time you express it.

  165. Eric Says:

    Then what are the factors that you’ve found do help you speed up the integration of your shadow? Good tools obviously…But experience too?

    What makes a person spiritually mature, if not transcendence and detachment?

    FROM BILL: Awareness.

  166. Moshe Says:

    Some people don’t like to hear that there is no choice, they mistakenly think it’s a victim mentality, they mistakenly think it’s a position of disempowered self-control, because they mistakenly think that somehow limits them from doing what they want to do, no it doesn’t. You have no choice in what you want to do, but you have no more limits on achieving what you want to do then you did before. You have the same abilities in a no choice universe, except that now you know your choice is really just a highly coordinated automatic reaction to the extremely well sorted complex prediction generated by your braincells after a very high resolution imprint of your life experience from waves of electronics generated by activity near each of your sense, eyes, ears, mouth etc… that is in turn sorted and automatically associated by the neocortex into extremely well sorted complex predictions that trigger highly coordinated automatic reactions involving specific neuron sequences that send signals through the nervous system along myelinated axons to trigger proteins to trigger muscle reactions in a highly coordinated sequence that produces very refined and specific body movement to accomplish the thing that you call choice which is really just the highly coordinated automatic change reaction within you from within you. It might feel like choice, but it’s physics that determines how you act.

    FROM BILL: A neurological explanation of what happens does not prove that there is no choice.

    Quite frankly, I’m tired of this subject. By choice.

  167. Moshe Says:

    What you are tired of is the illusion you have been believing. You sound like a cleric who insists that God exists, even though evidence may point to the complete lack of necessity for belief in God, he does not cite evidence in favor of believing in God’s existence, he just insists that God does exist. Except your God is Choice. You insist that I should believe in choice without providing any reason.

    Many wise experts like yourself don’t like to hear that there is no choice, they mistakenly think it’s a victim mentality, they mistakenly think it’s a position of disempowered self-control, and they mistakenly think that the actuality of having no choice somehow limits them from doing what they want to do, no it doesn’t. You may no choice in what you “want to do” because your narrative is scripted by braincells aligned with physic, but you have no more limits on achieving what you want to do then you did before. You have the same abilities in a universe where choice is really an illusion, except that now you know your choice is really just a highly coordinated automatic reaction.

    I believe choice is illusion and I am attempting to persuade other people as a matter of scrubbing the argument until it shines. Once the argument shines it will be ready for a bigger picture. So far no one who believes in choice has been able to present me with a stronger argument in favor of choice. They just insist that we have choice, then they run like intellectual cowards when presented with the science.

    Simply insisting that I do have choice is like the insane circular logic of religion, this is true because the book says it is true, and the book is true because we say it is true.

    You haven’t defeated this argument, you have at times evaded it by focusing on my character, and on what I am doing, including ridiculed me. Then you think to yourself somehow that while evading the argument you are somehow winning the argument. You aren’t, you haven’t. I’m still waiting for you to present me with an clear detailed explanation of what choice is, what internal representation you have of it is, how you do choice, how it works inside the brain, how you know it isn’t an illusion. Those questions are waiting, open questions. I’d love some answers. Or you can just hide your mind in the sand, like all the other people who are afraid of my questions. Oh now I see the answer “Not going there with you” you never did go there with me. You’ve never been there. It’s the one place your mind is afraid to go.

    Tell me the truth, is your mind afraid to go there? Are you not able to consider certain ideas? Do you get a mental block whenever you start to think about certain topics?

    I don’t need to prove that choice doesn’t exist, any more than I need to prove that God doesn’t exist. Those illusions serve only neurosis against the other brother, they provide nothing of value or necessity. This is because as I have already explained it is possible for you to do everything that you already do without choice, just as evolution science demonstrated that it is possible for the self assembling genetic code to evolve thus eliminating the need for a divine creator. Science has now also eliminated the need for choice as an explaination of human behavior.

    Facing this is apparently something you are not ready to do.

    FROM BILL: No, I’m tired of you, and did not read past the first sentence. I won’t post anything more about this ridiculous topic. You’re just repeating things you’ve read in books, without knowing what you are talking about, what the counter arguments are, or much of anything else. BORRRING.

  168. Santiago Says:

    Yes it did sound like bull shit to me too, but I can’t dismiss completely, after all, numbers are numbers (of course, everything can be look upon with a biased eye though)

    However, don’t you think that wealthy people have a higher tendency to try and “bend” the rules a little bit due to their higher competitive drive ? I see this more and more as I have experienced the entrepreneurial world.

    I don’t think rich people are bad or that they exploit the poor, I admire most of them, but there is a thin thin line between being very competitive, business savvy and just “bending” the rules, doing whatever it takes to get to the top.

    Rich people are usually generous, because they have more than enough to spend, but on their way to getting rich I don’t think it is unusual that they bend the rules. As someone who built a company from scratch, did you ever have to face such decisions ? Was it always easy to be ethical ? Was it easy for your wealthy friends ?

    Again, I ask this because I’m interested in human behavior, not for judgmental (rich vs poor and the like) reasons.

    FROM BILL: Come on, Santiago. Are you going to buy into every class warfare/trash the rich article you read? Exercise a little bit of critical thinking. People don’t behave a certan way because of how much money they have (other than to be more or less likely to spend money).

  169. Veronika Says:

    I was glad that I read this blog. It brought clearly to my attention that I too need to accept my humanness in order to find balance, peace, and happiness.
    THANK YOU, Bill!

    Love, Veronika

  170. Roland Murdoch Says:

    I was just reading some of the comments. Bill you should not even post “Moshe’s” comment without reading it because he is making a clown out of you. First you take the position of being by default in a higher place where you ridicule his knowledge without first getting to know his background, then he makes a credible argument demonstrating a plausible process through which human beings can actually exist as they already do without choice actually needing to exist. He makes a good explanation for why choice could be an illusion and why human beings mistakenly believe it. Finally while I am on the fence about whether I believe in choice or not, his argument is worth far more than your infantile ridicule of his knowledge, and your prejudicial dismissiveness. It really does seem like you are putting your head in the sand because you are afraid to consider, and I mean afraid to even consider the possibility that your beloved choice actually has been an illusion all this time. You really do come across as an intellectual coward Bill.

    FROM BILL: He’s just parroting nonsense he has read somewhere. I don’t have the time or the motivation to debate things I think are silly and I looked at 40 years ago and abandoned as ridiculous. Moshe hasn’t put up a single rational argument for his position, other than claiming certain things. When I ask him to prove it he calls me names. If you think I have this blog so that I have to debate every crank that says something, you are mistaken. I am also not here to debate many other silly ideas that don’t deserve my time, such an numerology, people from outer space, psychic abilities, and several other things that have come up here. If you think I am an intellectual coward for not wanting to debate with every person who posts (and then calls me names for asking for real arguments), then go away. Why, in that case, would you want to interact with me?

  171. Santiago Says:

    Como on Bill, isn’t asking questions PRECISELY critical thinking ? … and … you could just answer the question … is just a question, not a statement of what I think about rich people ;)

    FROM BILL: I think the study is biased on based on what I know, patently ridicuous. Does that qualify as an answer? Exactly what percentage of “rich” people (definition?) have to “not be generous: (definition?) before one can make the statement “rich people aren’t generous”? It’s a completely logicially flawed argument.

  172. Tradija Poland Says:

    FROM BILL: No, I’m tired of you, and did not read past the first sentence. I won’t post anything more about this ridiculous topic. You’re just repeating things you’ve read in books, without knowing what you are talking about, what the counter arguments are, or much of anything else. BORRRING.

    Forget Moshe that boring crazy person, I can’t even consider a world without choice, I choose everything in my life, most of all I choose four things, how I feel, how I behave, the people and situations I am attracted to, and what meanings I assign in my life.

    Now if Moshe thinks my brain is automatically self optimizing because the physics of my braincells, well that really makes no difference does it? Maybe I am the laws of physics Moshe? did you ever think of that? I’m making a mathematical choice! Either way I am owning the choice that comes from within, regardless of how it comes.

    Moshe calls choice an “a highly coordinated automatic reaction based on highly sorted predictions made from detailed internal representations formulated through life experience” and I could care less. So what, he is focused on the how, and obvious Bill you are focused on the why.

    Who cares how choice happens, or what it really is at the microscopic level, what matters is that I am taking a position that is self empowered, choosing my feelings, behaviors, people and situations, and meanings I assign from an empowered position. I’m a master, not a victim, so frankly I don’t even like to hear the idea that choice is a myth. My response is that I must be one with the laws of physics choosing this whole thing!

    So your right Bill, Moshe is boring!

    FROM BILL: I did not have a choice about being bored by Moshe. I had to.

  173. Tradija Poland Says:

    To Moshe: Owning my “Choice” is about being empowered by the change that comes from within me. How this process works is irrelevent to taking a resourceful and empowered position, which elevates my internal process to the place it should be, where I am choosing my life!

  174. Tradija Poland Says:

    Moshe I realize you are boring because you are talking like an engineer, but I am talking from a position of power, empowering others, like a life coach, to get beyond the nitty gritty details, and consider macro meaning of the position you are taking. What does it mean to be a self realized actor in your body, whose domain of influence includes something from with me having the power to select how I am going to feel, how I am going to behave, who I am attracting or what situations I am attracting, and what meanings I assign to things! Bill’s blog is not about the mechanics of a steam engine, that’s boring, it’s about the resourceful position that I can take even as a steam engine person, that results in me getting more of what I want, because I do own my choice (that mathematical process that comes from within me) I choose what I want, and that’s where it gets interesting. What will you choose Moshe?

  175. Tradija Poland Says:

    Finally Moshe you should realize you missing the forest for the trees. This is because while there is a process science is beginning to map, it is important to note that this map is only in the beginning stages, and it’s important to remember that THE MAP IS NOT THE TERRITORY and even if the map was correct it’s missing the point altogether. When Bill tells us to go inside to see how we do things, I don’t think he means literally sensing your 84 billion neurons going on and off all the time. Although that would be interesting. Bill is saying see how “YOU” are doing it. So that you can realize that you are the one doing it, and that seeing is going to result in increase self control that you can barely imagine until you experience it for yourself. So keep doing your holosync meditation, which will expand your awareness, and you will see so much more of how you are creating your life through the four things I mentioned earlier that Bill talks about all the time!

  176. Richard Hemsley Says:

    I think it’s obvious that we have choice, I can demonstrate, now I type kkkkkkkkkk, now I type rrrrrrrrr, now I type kkkkkkkkkk, now I type TTTTTTTTTT see I am choosing to type whatever letter I am typing YYYYYYYY< that's not a [highly coordinated reaction based on very carefully sorted predictions collating my whole life experience in order to create movement for survival and reproductin] paraphrasing whatever you said. That's choice! You are just sharing what you learned from a book Moshe, you didn't actually test out that theory and look for contrary opinions or read academic debates on the topic by world class philosophers and thinkers. Now I'm typing PPPPPPPP, because I choose to duh, ur stupid…

    FROM BILL: Don’t be silly, Richard. You are just a machine who must type certain random letters. It’s the way your nervous system was made. Why can’t you see that? And I had to type this answer to you. It’s all so pointless. I’m going to kill myself.

  177. CJ Says:

    I just find some of the comments from these wack jobs on your blog just hilarious Bill. You rock of course. Who heard of this nonsense about having no choice from Moesh. It just cracks me up, and then when you say you are board Bill I just roll on the floor laughing out loud. Absolutely hilarious and high five Bill, you are funny dude! Cracking me up big time!

    How can you have no choice when obviously you made the choice to write to Bill. What do you think you are some mindless automan who has to carry out whatever his first initial impulses are?

    I will tell you one thing Masche and that is that Bill is right, choice is something we get more of with awareness practice, literally. Try being aware of your impulses for a little longer than it takes to act on them, in that additional time your impulse might evolve within your awareness into a better choice. Choice is actually like a learned skill. Over time as you acquire more skill you learn to rely more on your internal narrative, developing, kindling, working your energetic impulse until you are doing something that not only makes sense, but something that is also going to be fun, and juicy, enjoyable, laughable, and a good time for everyone, because that’s what’s really in your interest, and you’ll discover that if you literally meditate a little longer on your impulses. That’s the skill of choice.

    FROM BILL: I guess you had to say that.

  178. Moshe Says:

    I promise not to talk about choice being an illusion anymore on your blog. Can I have your permission to use your responses to me as quotes in a book I am writing? You see actually I am not just reciting something I have read in a book. I have taken this conversation to actual neuroscientists and actually transformational coaches and actual people who have worked with Ken Wilber. I have investigated every angle, from every major philosopher and speaker, every religion, physics, neuroscience, cognitive science, living philosophers, artworks, deconstructed work related to the matrix films on choice, I’ve really have heard contrary opinions and listened to long defenses of choice from hundreds of occasions, speakers in the double digits, my conversation over two years with these people is part of what is going in my book. So I’d like your persmission to quote the things you have said in my book as well. I’m asking as a courtesy seeing as you have already published your words in the public domain, anyone from a court to an author can legally quote those words within a court case or another work. I will not make you look bad of course, making you look bad was all about putting the pressure on your to develop a better argument than the uber basic, [ you don't know your ignorant, believe me, you have choice ] argument. So anyways no more about choice on your blog I promise.

    FROM BILL: I’m sorry, but once again I couldn’t make it very far in your post. Maybe the last 90% was fascinating, but I’ll never know. You may not quote me in a book unless you pay me a large royalty and promise to run naked through a large shopping mall and sit on Santa’s lap during Christmas season. By the way, I am an actual person who has worked with Ken Wilber.

  179. michelle s Says:

    Oh Moshe- get a life- as in a real one-I just had to comment on your pseudo-intellectualism-guess I had no choice.

    I hear self-publishing does well, anyone can write what they want without an editor, or validity.-go for it.

    Lost my other point-but seriously to all the longwinded posters who have nothing to say-actually do something, be something, get involved in having a life where you participate instead of debating. BTW Sam- don’t think you can taste a strawberry by some special mind power

    Thanks,

  180. Sandy Jenkins Says:

    Bill reading these wild comments about choice I feel like I am beginning to lose my mind. Is the human mind like a computer? Am I like a program? I think I just ruined my pants. I feel sick. I don’t even know whats happening Bill… Is this a …? Please tell me this oh god, this isn’t a joke is it? I’m feeling nausia. Is the human mind like a computer or not? What is this talk about consciousness being a stream of expectations is that true? Are you saying that if I react to something differently that it’s really just some automatic mechanical process of revising internal predictions about what I want to do, like hacking reality to establish an uplink to the thing my body is betting it wants?

    FROM BILL: How intesting that a choiceless world would get to the point where we are all choicelesly not making these choices to do all of this! I guess there IS a point to existence!

  181. Sandy Jenkins Says:

    oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no ! ! ! ! I am understanding how my mind is like a machine Bill ! oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no ! ! ! ! I just walked into the twilight zone , oh gawd , there really isn’t any choice is there Bill? please tell me the truth, I’m living in a computer simulation like the matrix aren’t I? shit shit shit my choice is a dream isn’t it? ffffffffffff fml

  182. Terence Math Says:

    I have a legitimate question about whether choice is real or not, can you point me to any books, published conversations, famous debates, scholarly works or things I can access to look ate the evidence and various views that have been expressed about whether choice is even really just this reactive automatically creative process that can be reduced to a program in a machine?

    FROM BILL: You would get your evidence about whether you have a choice from books? Really. You should check out some books about vision to find out if you are able to see.

  183. Terence Math Says:

    1. How do you really know choice is not an illusion?

    2. How do I know you didn’t miss something, overlook something, ignore something, or dismiss something prematurely?

    3. How do you know that you know that choice exists?

    4. How can I take your word for it because maybe you just took someone else’s word for it?

    5. What arguments strongly defeat the argument that choice is just an explanation for human behavior and not a reality?

    6. Finally when you meditate, do you see how you do everything?

    7. Do you understand how you do choice?

    8. Can you please explain it?

    9. Is the brain something you really understand?

    10. Are there any books on the brain you recommend for people interested in solving this vexing dilema?

    11. Don’t you doubt that you even have choice?

    12. What about Great Doubt?

    13. Do you know what it means to move from Sun point to Moon point

    Please answer all the questions people have asked you about choice, I literally cannot leave until you do. I will have to keep on coming back again and again in different forms asking in different ways until I get to the root of whether you know something I don’t or if you are just suffering from the illusion of pride in your self doing.

    “Insisting that choice is not an illusion” isn’t enough to silence the demons within me that are slowly driving me mad trying to figure out if you really know something I don’t or if you are just suffering from some cognitive dissonance over the topic.

    Citing your personal belief from your 62 years of life experience, plus your 35 years of working with holosync and the life coaching world, and everything you have read on the brain is still not enough. Even men who live to be 120 years old can still wake up in that final year and realize they have been wrong about something they insisted was true and real their entire life.

    Please answer these nifty questions sir!

    FROM BILL: You have no reason to think that you might not have choice other than a moron came on this blog and posed a silly question. If he had asked if there really is a color blue would you begin to doubt that, too? You have so many days on earth. Do your really want to spend them thinking about such ridiculous drivel? If so, that’s YOUR CHOICE (or maybe it’s all programmed into us!! Oh no!) I suggest that you get an education in the sciences and then you won’t ask such questions. Or, an education in flaws in logic (google it). Or, just look around. Or stand in front of your refrigerator and decide whether to have an apple or a pear. Good grief. If I was thinking about such things I would keep it a secret, lest the white coated guys with the canvas clothing with the leather straps come looking for you. Shhhh!

  184. Ken Says:

    Are the cranks back or is Moshe and his drinking buddy merely trying to make it appear so? I’m hoping the later…

    Bill, this question is off topic but I’ll ask it anyway in case you’re bored. What do you think of Ben Bernanke?

    FROM BILL: He is a Keynesian in a world that is about to prove that the Keynesian approach has led to a financial meltdown.

  185. michelle s Says:

    Ok- I remembered my other point. Who decided that suicide was wrong? and why? People don’t get to choose being born, they just are-somebody saying they have had enough and committing suicide is either ‘severly depressed or something must be wrong with them- why? If women are allowed to abort, ie- deciding that the life must not happen, why not the same with death. I know that people think there will be massive wrongful suicides-but I don’t think that’s the case. A couple of examples in point- a woman where I work committed suicide a few years ago-everyone was shocked because she had a ‘good life’, last year another man who was always fit and healthy found out he had Lou Gehrigs-was already starting to feel symptoms, etc-jumped off the roof and died. Again everyone was shocked-but not surprised. Or take an elderly, frail person who has been through health trials over the years and has had enough-

    Maybe this is off topic for the blog-but is there ever a time when frustration over being a person becomes overwhelming-and that’s it?

    Not suicidal myself, younger kids, healthy, relatively happy-but I wouldn’t rule out entirely depending on life circumstance. I wonder why in almost every religion it is wrong. Also, nowadays people in the West won’t even admit to getting older, it’s like a weird time warp.

    Thanks,

    From BILL: Obviously, for some people, there is such a time.

  186. Terence Math Says:

    Interesting news anout a plan to build a brain. http://www.mnn.com/green-tech/research-innovations/stories/how-to-build-a-human-brain-in-7-easy-steps

    FROM BILL: Must have been preordained. I’m excited. I’ve always wanted one. And the Wizard of Oz gave away his last spare.

  187. JON Says:

    Bill, Your Holosync Cds are the most amazing and power tools I have ever seen. The potential they have are endless and could really help people in so many ways. Your truly on to something very remarkable. Dont stop now! I am just here to ask you never stop researching and coming up with new and improved ways of Holosync. Please don’t ever get to a point that you either have to much money or just loose interest. Don’t let this creative and positive source of technology die with you. Its so powerful and is a break through in ever aspect of science. I have experienced many things in my life and have listened to many meditation and self help Cds but only one thing comes to mind when I think of yours. (Pure Genius)Thank you.

  188. Terence Math Says:

    I knew someone who committed suicide. She was family, but I didn’t shed any tears. I’m not a crocodile. I just know that the physics of her neurons wrote the internal mental song “I want to kill myself” and that’s what she did. The physics of your brain will determine what you want to do. Then you will do it. Unless the physics of your brain determine that you are going to change what you want to do, into something else that you want to do instead. Then you will do that something else instead. Perhaps someone will say something, and their feedback will persuade you that you really want to do a third thing, that you hadn’t thought of, but it will be the physics of your brain cells that kept changing, meaning there were physical changes in the neural patterns that kept firing in your brain, that resulted in a different internal story about what you want “I choose to not kill myself” that’s a new story generated by the physics of your braincells interacting creating your changing narrative that you refer to as choice. The prediction that you are choosing your thoughts is a post adhoc explanation that has nothing to do with the truth.

    FROM BILL: Your brain is a recording device, recording what your senses take in (though not very accurately). Maybe –just maybe –what it records as SOMETHING to do with how you behave. Nah. Couldn’t be that. It must be that you’re just a machine. Okay. Last post about this incredibly boring and lowbrow subject.

  189. Terence Math Says:

    “Okay. Last post about this incredibly boring and lowbrow subject.”

    Okay. Thanks for all your funny responses. I’m at starbucks at 6:15 am laughing my head off reading them. Other people are looking around to see who is the nutter this round. While nothing you’ve said has persuaded me even a plank second from my original position, but that doesn’t matter. I’m marking the chart I have for you as Bill doesn’t know jack about jack. That’s good enough for me. Case closed. :)

  190. Anna Says:

    …to become aware of what was unaware is a very very tough work. Tough, hard, exhausting.
    But well done is the best jackpot I can win.
    Love you. Anna.

  191. Svetlana Says:

    Bill, what is the correlation between i-dosers and Holosinc CDs? Does Holosinc have similar dangers?

    FROM BILL: I have no idea what i-dosers are. Holosync has no dangers, other than finding out more about who you really are.

  192. Ravenshakti Says:

    “You’re Song”

    You’re song,
    a wished-for song…

    Go through the ear to the center
    where sky is, where wind,
    where silent knowing…

    Put seeds and cover them;
    Blades will sprout
    where you do your work…

    -Rumi

  193. Zebbedee Says:

    I know Im about a week late with this comment, but I wonder if this determinism debate can be softened somewhat by simply recognising it as a spectrum, rather than a black and white issue?

    By this I mean that there is always a DEGREE of choice present in our behaviour, while at the same time there is always a wide range of factors which INFLUENCE that degree of choice. Both arise together.

    These influencing factors include everything that Moshe is claiming create determinism, such as our genetics, social environment, brain chemistry, personal history etc.

    The combination of these factors creates such a powerful web of values and conditions (one in which we are immersed in as well as one we are helping to create), that it can seem as if all our choices may be traced back to one or a combination of them.

    And you can reasonably go a long way down that road.

    But to go all the way and say that choice is removed altogether is going too far.

    There is always a degree of choice present, even at the lowest levels of human consciousness. And, as Bill has been at pains to point out repeatedly, that degree of choice can be increased through becoming more aware of that web of values and conditions (internally and externally) in which we move, and which we create, everyday.

    A determinist may say that believing in choice is a matter of faith. But take the example of say, looking left or looking right. To claim that whether someone looks left or looks right is predetermined is just as much an act of faith. The evidence for predetermining influences and conditions gets PRETTY THIN when you take it down to that level.

    The existence of choice in such a moment certainly has an element of mystery to it. That is, it cannot be deconstructed or reduced down to its components. (Try it… look left or look right?)

    A choice is simply made. I would say it is self evident.

    So Moshe, would you be happy to settle for a LARGE AMOUNT of influence on our freedom to choose (mitigated by awareness), as opposed to complete pre-determinism?

    Come on, it’s a tempting offer… You get to keep a great deal of your research intact, AND have the fun of knowing that you’re eating chocolate ice cream because you really wanted to. :) ))

  194. Clive Says:

    @Terence Math Says; All you do Terence is read books and repeat quotations. You have no idea what you are talking about and it shows in your long long long blab about nothing. if you are going to bore us shitless, then at least do some real research and find out what your talking about. The truth is you dont know what your talking about and it shows in your writing. Your too busy trying to show the world how smart you, or in truth how smart your not. If anybody knows nothing about jack it is you.

  195. Jeremy Cathwell Says:

    Halo Bill,

    Maybe you can square one for me. I live in an area where Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, and Christians of all stripes are coming around here and then knocking on my door, or making coversation at the local Starbucks. Then online we have Swami’s and new age people giving advice. One thing a lot of them seem to have in common is an attachment to their path, their view, it seems to be in their own minds preferable over anyone else’s point of view. That’s why they recommend it so much. I’m starting giggle because I realizing they are preferring the only the view they have ever seen. A human has only seen ONE view in summary. How could any way be better than any other way?

    Do you subscribe to any of that Halo Bill? Do you think your views are the best ever? Do you have pride in your way? Are you attached to how you do it? Do your recommend people change their way and do it more like how you do it? No offense intended Halo Bill. I’m proud of my choices too. How could they be my choices otherwise. My identity is pride, how could it be otherwise?

    FROM BILL: Your choices are as good as anyone’s. If what you’re doing doesn’t work, try something else. No one knows what is going on, or why it’s going on. Just keep your head down and take care of yourself.

  196. Terry Says:

    Great post from Zebbedee.

    My view is I don’t know and neither does anyone else. There’s also a possibility we’ll never know.

    FROM BILL: I suppose we’ll never know if rocks are really hard, either.

  197. catherine H Says:

    I think it’s a lame discussion. You’re forgetting self awareness, which takes the human beyond this robot like machination. We are more than the sum of our parts. Awareness is not a theory.

  198. Terry Says:

    FROM BILL: I suppose we’ll never know if rocks are really hard, either.

    Lol. Your red herring gave me a good laugh. Thank you.

    FROM BILL: It wasn’t a red herring. It was a comment on how stupid this topic is.

  199. Santiago Says:

    Bill, what are your thoughts on the Greece situation, do you think is worst to bail them out, should they be allowed to go bankrupt ?

    FROM BILL: They are already bankrupt. Whatever they do is just to buy time in the hope they (the world financial community) will not have to acknowledge that they are bankrupt. If someone bails them out it means that the bailer-outer is on the hook for something that cannot be paid back. If they make more credit money to bail them out it just reduces the value of the money and all those with money lose. The bail out only spreads the problem to others (usually those who didn’t create).

    The same could be said for public union pension funds, most major banks, and many other entire countries including many in Europe. The money has already been spent, long ago. When you have spent all your money, austerity is the only choice. The world is entering a period where everyone is going to have to live at a much lower standard of living for quite a long time. The financial authorities are just trying to put off the inevitable in the hope that increased production can create enough walth to offset what is going to money heaven through deleveraging (paying off of debts or non=payment of debt, where the credit money involved disappears). They will not be able to pull it off.

  200. jon Says:

    Hi Bill,

    Thanks for your great blog. I’ve been following it for years now and really appreciate your insight.
    Last year I had quite a bit of a health scare which ended up requiring surgery. Since then I’ve found it challenging to maintain the will to really engage in life as I want to. I want to passionately give myself to what is important to me but notice that I say to myself ‘what is the point if I get sick again investing in these things’. Any pointers on how to toughen up and engage life again regardless of its precarious nature? Thank you…

    FROM BILL: Eventually, no matter what you do, you’re gong to die. Eat, drink, and be merry. Also, though, be prudent. Eat and drink slowly.

  201. Zebbedee Says:

    Hi Bill (and all)

    I came across this story on Reuters last week and thought it was an excellent, but heart-breaking, European example of what is probably about to unfold in a very big way as credit evaporates and government spending has to be reduced drastically.

    Not only Greece, but also Italy, Portugal and (as you can see) Spain is actually already well down that road.

    I post the first few paragraghs here, the rest of the story via the link for anyone who wants to read further (I recommend it for some sobering statistics on where Spain is at now, and its only going to get worse).

    Spain’s safety net frays as care workers go unpaid
    By Paul Day PUERTOLLANO, Spain | Mon Mar 5, 2012 6:54pm GMT

    (Reuters) – Mercedes Garcia, the director of a residency for severely mentally disabled adults, has a crisis in her kitchen.

    Two caterers have been supplying and preparing food for the centre’s 46 patients for free for almost a year; the other 18 recently decided they’d had it and refused to provide further service without payment up front.

    The residency has been running on fumes for months because the local government, squeezed by austerity measures to combat the euro zone debt crisis, has not paid its share of expenses.

    “All of the residents here will need 24-hour care from cradle to grave, but our carers can’t continue their own lives if we don’t pay them,” an exhausted-looking Garcia told Reuters in February. Her caregivers earn 800 euros (667.7 pounds) a month, just above minimum wage and not enough to tide them over when their paycheques are delayed.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/03/05/uk-spain-poverty-idUKTRE8240NZ20120305

  202. Santiago Says:

    Would you say that the best thing to do would be that world leaders just acknowledge and communicate that “the world is entering a period where everyone is going to have to live at a much lower standard of living for quite a long time” instead of trying to put bandaids on it ?

    FROM BILL: What makes you think that the world leaders want to do what would be best? If that was their agenda, why would they be doing something every day to make things worse? If you are broke and in debt, stop spending. Spending more (of borrowed money) just makes the mountain higher, and when it comes tumbling down the higher it is, the worse it will be.

    World leaders are trying to put off the inevitable. Most of them KNOW it is inevitable. They want to put it off until they are a RETIRED world leader. Then it is someone else’s fault.

  203. michelle s Says:

    I agree that anyone who is a ‘world leader’ is probably fully aware of the consequence and are just putting it off until it is someone elses problem. That seems to be part of the problem, any person who would actually do something now is just drowned out by the others who want things to continue ‘as is’. I see it in the school system, I see it in people everyday-no one wants to face the facts that ‘as is’ is going to fall apart in a big way. Like a huge pinata-except it’s not filled with candy.
    Thank goodness I have Holosync to help with the stress of everyday living-in all seriousness, I don’t know how I would be doing without. I can see people are ready to boil over, and they don’t have the tools to help them get through. Even with Holosync I can see when I deal with too much going on by -withdrawal and distraction more than confrontation-still working on living, and that is all anyone can do.

    I appreciate the genuine posts from others who are learning and growning as well and of course Bill’s comments-
    so I will just keep on going
    THanks,

    FROM BILL: Unfortunately, there’s nothing world leaders can do, except not make things even worse. The bullet is out of the gun and will eventually hit the victi. The car had been driven off the cliff and will hit the ground. Nothing can stop it. World leaders, in trying to put off the inevitable, are arranging for the eventual ending to be more painful.

  204. Santiago Says:

    I guess no leader would come out and say things like: “Listen population, you won’t have heath care anymore, or social security or any other benefit you were entitled to before … because we just can’t afford it” … it’s much more expected that they try to buy time or find ways to keep the thing going (even if they know it won’t work) … I don’t know (or expect) that anyone would dare to take a different position.

    FROM BILL: Well, several people are taking a different position, but the public doesn’t want to hear it, and those in control don’t want to admit it.

  205. ZenTen Says:

    From Bix Weir’s Newsletters (http://www.roadtoroota.com/):

    cracks are starting to appear in the house of corruption. the good guys are bailing and the bad guys will soon find their heads on poles outside their offices.

    “Greg Smith is resigning today as a Goldman Sachs executive director and head of the firm’s United States equity derivatives business in Europe, the Middle East and Africa.”

    Holy Cow Batman! It’s the HEAD of European Derivatives for one of the biggest CDS players in the world, Goldman Sachs! He’s running for the hills just days before the settlement of the largest CDS payout in the history of the industry! Lay this fact on top of the retirement of the CEO of the CME and the removal of the CME as a European Derivative Clearing Organization and you have one toxic brew.

    I’ve been doing some research into the settlement process of CDS’s for the Friday Road Trip and from what I can surmise they call it the “Big Bang Protocol” for a reason! What a Cluster #!@*! When the DTCC came out and said this was only a $3.2B issue they totally left out all the Greek CDS’s that are not purchased to cover any specific bond investments…which is most of the Greek CDS market!

    Why I Am Leaving Goldman Sachs
    By GREG SMITH
    Published: March 14, 2012

    TODAY is my last day at Goldman Sachs. After almost 12 years at the firm — first as a summer intern while at Stanford, then in New York for 10 years, and now in London — I believe I have worked here long enough to understand the trajectory of its culture, its people and its identity. And I can honestly say that the environment now is as toxic and destructive as I have ever seen it.

    To put the problem in the simplest terms, the interests of the client continue to be sidelined in the way the firm operates and thinks about making money. Goldman Sachs is one of the world’s largest and most important investment banks and it is too integral to global finance to continue to act this way. The firm has veered so far from the place I joined right out of college that I can no longer in good conscience say that I identify with what it stands for.

    It might sound surprising to a skeptical public, but culture was always a vital part of Goldman Sachs’s success. It revolved around teamwork, integrity, a spirit of humility, and always doing right by our clients. The culture was the secret sauce that made this place great and allowed us to earn our clients’ trust for 143 years. It wasn’t just about making money; this alone will not sustain a firm for so long. It had something to do with pride and belief in the organization. I am sad to say that I look around today and see virtually no trace of the culture that made me love working for this firm for many years. I no longer have the pride, or the belief.

    But this was not always the case. For more than a decade I recruited and mentored candidates through our grueling interview process. I was selected as one of 10 people (out of a firm of more than 30,000) to appear on our recruiting video, which is played on every college campus we visit around the world. In 2006 I managed the summer intern program in sales and trading in New York for the 80 college students who made the cut, out of the thousands who applied.

    I knew it was time to leave when I realized I could no longer look students in the eye and tell them what a great place this was to work.
    When the history books are written about Goldman Sachs, they may reflect that the current chief executive officer, Lloyd C. Blankfein, and the president, Gary D. Cohn, lost hold of the firm’s culture on their watch. I truly believe that this decline in the firm’s moral fiber represents the single most serious threat to its long-run survival.

    Over the course of my career I have had the privilege of advising two of the largest hedge funds on the planet, five of the largest asset managers in the United States, and three of the most prominent sovereign wealth funds in the Middle East and Asia. My clients have a total asset base of more than a trillion dollars. I have always taken a lot of pride in advising my clients to do what I believe is right for them, even if it means less money for the firm. This view is becoming increasingly unpopular at Goldman Sachs. Another sign that it was time to leave.

    How did we get here? The firm changed the way it thought about leadership. Leadership used to be about ideas, setting an example and doing the right thing. Today, if you make enough money for the firm (and are not currently an ax murderer) you will be promoted into a position of influence.

    What are three quick ways to become a leader? a) Execute on the firm’s “axes,” which is Goldman-speak for persuading your clients to invest in the stocks or other products that we are trying to get rid of because they are not seen as having a lot of potential profit. b) “Hunt Elephants.” In English: get your clients — some of whom are sophisticated, and some of whom aren’t — to trade whatever will bring the biggest profit to Goldman. Call me old-fashioned, but I don’t like selling my clients a product that is wrong for them. c) Find yourself sitting in a seat where your job is to trade any illiquid, opaque product with a three-letter acronym.

    Today, many of these leaders display a Goldman Sachs culture quotient of exactly zero percent. I attend derivatives sales meetings where not one single minute is spent asking questions about how we can help clients. It’s purely about how we can make the most possible money off of them. If you were an alien from Mars and sat in on one of these meetings, you would believe that a client’s success or progress was not part of the thought process at all.

    It makes me ill how callously people talk about ripping their clients off. Over the last 12 months I have seen five different managing directors refer to their own clients as “muppets,” sometimes over internal e-mail. Even after the S.E.C., Fabulous Fab, Abacus, God’s work, Carl Levin, Vampire Squids? No humility? I mean, come on. Integrity? It is eroding. I don’t know of any illegal behavior, but will people push the envelope and pitch lucrative and complicated products to clients even if they are not the simplest investments or the ones most directly aligned with the client’s goals? Absolutely. Every day, in fact.

    It astounds me how little senior management gets a basic truth: If clients don’t trust you they will eventually stop doing business with you. It doesn’t matter how smart you are.

    These days, the most common question I get from junior analysts about derivatives is, “How much money did we make off the client?” It bothers me every time I hear it, because it is a clear reflection of what they are observing from their leaders about the way they should behave. Now project 10 years into the future: You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that the junior analyst sitting quietly in the corner of the room hearing about “muppets,” “ripping eyeballs out” and “getting paid” doesn’t exactly turn into a model citizen.

    When I was a first-year analyst I didn’t know where the bathroom was, or how to tie my shoelaces. I was taught to be concerned with learning the ropes, finding out what a derivative was, understanding finance, getting to know our clients and what motivated them, learning how they defined success and what we could do to help them get there.

    My proudest moments in life — getting a full scholarship to go from South Africa to Stanford University, being selected as a Rhodes Scholar national finalist, winning a bronze medal for table tennis at the Maccabiah Games in Israel, known as the Jewish Olympics — have all come through hard work, with no shortcuts. Goldman Sachs today has become too much about shortcuts and not enough about achievement. It just doesn’t feel right to me anymore.

    I hope this can be a wake-up call to the board of directors. Make the client the focal point of your business again. Without clients you will not make money. In fact, you will not exist. Weed out the morally bankrupt people, no matter how much money they make for the firm. And get the culture right again, so people want to work here for the right reasons. People who care only about making money will not sustain this firm — or the trust of its clients — for very much longer.

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    I have a thought or two that I would add here, a very big picture in terms of worldly affairs, but for the sake of respecting the contents of this blog I will shut up and leave it at today’s above contribution. ZenTen

    FROM BILL: This is what happens in times of negative social mood. Goldman was a good firm in times of positive social mood; now they are crooked. Just make sure YOU stay good in bad times, because the urge will be to look out only for yourself. As for me, I have already decided to help others, even if it isn’t in my own personal interest.

  206. Sam Says:

    Rather than saying that the current leadership is making things worse, I understand that the idea of learning about efficient leadership ahead of chrisis time is a good one; I am attempting to understand how to go about it. I don’t look to our current leadership to determine how far we’ve come, but I do look at the many that have elected and continue to elect such leadership; not a pretty picture in any event.

    FROM BILL: Huh? What? Can’t quite understand a single word of that.

  207. Terry Says:

    Sam Says:

    Rather than saying that the current leadership is making things worse, I understand that the idea of learning about efficient leadership ahead of chrisis time is a good one; I am attempting to understand how to go about it. I don’t look to our current leadership to determine how far we’ve come, but I do look at the many that have elected and continue to elect such leadership; not a pretty picture in any event.

    FROM BILL: Huh? What? Can’t quite understand a single word of that.

    FROM TERRY: I actually think Sam is making an interesting point here, which has some validity. He is saying (I think) that we need to educate ourselves about the issues so we can make informed choices about the leaders we elect, and we must take responsibility for those choices rather than blaming them – when ‘we’ the public are the ones that give them their power anyway.

    FROM BILL: Interesting interpretation. I don’t see any evidence for it, though. It sounds like gibberish to me. And, it only looks like the leaders get their power from the governed. It’s a nice illusion. You really think the leaders we have are a choice? It’s like saying to a child, “Would you like to go to bed now, or in 5 mintutes?”

  208. Santiago Says:

    FROM BILL: Well, several people are taking a different position, but the public doesn’t want to hear it, and those in control don’t want to admit it.

    That’s interesting, are you talking about Ron Paul … any other names we can research ?

    FROM BILL: There’s plenty of people taking other positions. You really ought to check out some of the sources I have suggested. (Hey, great idea!)

  209. Sam Says:

    Leadership I believe is understandable.

    FROM BILL: Leadership is understandable? Don’t you mean that relationships are washable? Or that penmanship is interchangable? Or perhaps that embarassment should be baked for 40 minutes at 400 degrees?

  210. Sam Says:

    I am one represented by many aspects of self, sometimes represented by voices internally. When I am unconscious to my process I am often taken to be just one of these aspects of self, made more true by the internal map of reality helping to buy into the illusion. The more ingrained one of these internally represented belief systems is, the more that the many other aspects of self will also “buy in” and make it increasingly difficult for me to separate from the one I am taken to be when unconscious to my process.

    If you’re doing something like voice dialogue or big mind by yourself, it takes a strong integrity and faith in the process to maintain what’s known as an aware ego position. If this integrity within the process is not maintained, often I believe I am coming from a place of aware ego when in fact upon investigation I am really coming from a from a place with a bias or personal agenda. This is quite embarrassing (as witnessed) and is not resourceful.

    What to do! Try to maintain self honesty to the best of “one’s” ability and let whatever happens be ok.

    I hope this is helpful for one who is struggling.

    FROM BILL: Oh, Sam. Sam Sam Sam. What am I to do with you? Get a hobby. Forget about all this personal growth and spiritual stuff. It’s clogging up your neurons.

  211. Ken Says:

    FROM BILL: This is what happens in times of negative social mood. Goldman was a good firm in times of positive social mood; now they are crooked.

    from ken: Yep, another canary in the coal mine. As regards the poster who posts gibberish, it sounds like he has some slight brain damage, no disrespect intended. Do you think HS can help someone like him become clear?

    FROM BILL: Gibberish? You think Sam is posting gibberish? With enough practice he probably will work up to it. Holosync has not helped him, I’m sorry to say. Nor has Genpo Roshi, Ken Wilber, nor anyone else. (Sorry, Sam. Really. Give up all this personal and spiritual growth stuff. Read some detective novels.)

  212. ZenTen Says:

    Canary in the coal mine, ha ha, that’s a good one Ken! On another note people, have a look at these 5 wonderful kids and their (rented) guitar: http://youtu.be/d9NF2edxy-M

  213. Santiago Says:

    Bill why don’t you just adopt Sam ? … BTW are you going to the next Big Mind facilitators training in May ? I’ll be there, we could throw sarcastic comments at each other in person …

    FROM BILL: No and no. And no.

  214. ZenTen Says:

    It’s amazing how many Banksters are running for the hills in just the last 6 months. Over 350 and counting! Here’s a great site to track them all as the pace is rapidly INCREASING…

    RESIGNATIONS FROM WORLD BANKS, INVESTMENT HOUSES, MONEY FUNDS
    http://americankabuki.blogspot.com/p/131-resignations-from-world-banks.html

    Again, bankers NEVER leave when things are just about to get really profitable but they ALWAYS leave right before their leveraged system falls apart.

  215. Dave S Perkins Says:

    Interesting as all these resignations are couldn’t it simply be people realizing they’ve hit a glass-ceiling in they’re respective jobs at all these giant multinational money-laundering operations, they’ve all reached the kind of ages where they’re simply thinking hmmmn time to set-out on my own, be my own boss, the one at the top of the chain who can better pick and choose the respective areas of finance that they would prefer to work in?, 350+ sounds a lot until you realise their are millions of banking related workers and people all in interconnected networks and professions throughout this wide world that we share.

    PS. A Distant Mirror (Barbara W. Tuchman) I hunted down a second hand copy and am finding it well worthy of reading, any more secret gems you’d care to pass on?

    FROM BILL: I would resist seeing those in high level corporate jobs as all being dishonest and disingenuous. Most of these corporations, including the banks, provide something quite crucial to your life, whether you know it or not. That isn’t to say that some of what these banks have done has been bad for society.

    Every book Barbara Tuchman wrote is worth reading.

  216. ZenTen Says:

    Today, people’s behavior is not good because their thoughts are polluted. And because their thoughts and actions have become perverted, the country is passing through troubles and turmoil. People have filled their mind with thoughts of mundane, ephemeral, and transient things. These thoughts are negative in nature; only those based on Truth are positive. If the feelings and intentions behind your actions are good, the results will also be good. Sacred thoughts, good words, and noble deeds are the true human values. Thoughts are your permanent assets. As is the thought, so is the mind. If thoughts are good, humanity will blossom into Divinity.

    FROM BILL: Don’t disown negativity. What is disowned expresses in a way harmful to you and to others. All coins have two sides. You cannot get rid of the negative.

  217. Sam Says:

    How about Science Fiction?

    FROM BILL: What about it? It is enjoyable reading, yes.

  218. Chris M Says:

    I believe you have said too much knowledge can be dangerous, at one point or another (something like ‘enough to be dangerous, not enough to be wise’ or something vaguely like that). I wrote a couple of things, probing in a way, being who I be (or so it is said), but didn’t send them, I went back over it and ended up thinking myself out of it, or as it seemed, beyond it. I’ve been funny recently, as in people have being laughing a lot. They don’t get my points in they way I’m trying to portray on them, but I’m considered interesting and funny – even when I’m trying to subtly stick up my middle finger at them (metaphorically). Anyway, my question is that how can you personally have a spirituality different than a fundamentalist, you ain’t exactly a shut-in. By that standard, a felt-presence ever-present god doesn’t require a spiritual practice. Why would someone not simply revert to fundamentalism in times of need? Why would a post-conventionalist need a god at all – after all isn’t it simply a form of renaming anyway? Why not simply covet their suffering and be angry?

  219. ZenTen Says:

    FROM BILL: Don’t disown negativity. What is disowned expresses in a way harmful to you and to others. All coins have two sides. You cannot get rid of the negative.

    the text isn’t mine (if I told you who wrote it, you wouldn’t have agreed to post it)

    today, from all the hs I’ve done I feel like I want to shoot someone in the face, how’s that for some negativity? all this meditating is surely stirring my shit up. LOL

  220. Ken Says:

    Bill, reading the blog posts over the last couple of weeks, I feel like I’m watching an episode of the twilight zone that I started watching halfway through, and no matter how hard I try, nothing being said makes any sense. Is it just me?

    FROM BILL: Yep.

  221. Dave S Perkins Says:

    @ZenTen, Surely peoples thoughts and actions only really become perverted when they think THE MAP IS THE TERRITORY! Surely the choice and options that regular Holosync usage alongside PRAGMATIC super-speedups suchas EFT tapping (used in secret by the Catholic church hierarchy for thousands of years) and Chakra tapping (Openly used by Global Tribesmen for thousands of years), Hypnosis used in medicine FOR CENTURIES (Hidden Depths Robin Waterfield) until it became politically expedient for the medical professional to distance themselves from it.

    HISTORY IS LITTERED WITH GREAT CIRCULAR MENTAL LIES THAT SEND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE INSANE, AND THE REALLY REALLY SAD SAD TRUTH IS THAT WHEN REMEDIES ARE OFFERED AND GIVEN FREELY OR AT INCREDIBLY LOW PRICES FOR THE GAINS THAT CAN BE MADE – SOCIETY REJECTS IT.

    EVERY DEVELOPMENT AND TECHNOLOGY EVER CREATED APPEARED FIRST IN THE MINDS OF MEN AND WOMEN, PEOPLE CLING TO WANTING TO BE VERBALLY BUGGERED AND SODOMISED LIKE IT’S SOME SORT OF SECRET PLEASURE.

    CHRIS M TALKS OF ANGER, EVERYTHING IS IN THE PERCEPTUAL FIELD AND MIND OF THE BEHOLDER AND I HAVE NOT GOT ANY ANGER TO TAP INTO, BEING IN THE LOWEST SOCIO-ECONOMIC CLASS IS ZERO-FUN, BEING THE TARGET FOR EVERYONE’S ABUSE IS ZERO-FUN.

    I WAS RECENTLY ACCUSED OF MAKING LOTS OF ENEMIES. MY RESPONSE: I DO NOT MAKE ENEMIES, PEOPLE MAKE JUDGEMENTS (SEE COMMENT ABOVE REGARDING THE PERCEPTION OF THE BEHOLDER).

    FROM BILL: The Catholic Church has secretly been using toilet paper for years, too. Shhh.

    Where do you get this stuff? Are you really that gullible?

  222. ZenTen Says:

    How about Science Fiction?

    FROM BILL: What about it? It is enjoyable reading, yes.

    You’re a fan or Ray Kurzweil are you not, Bill? The singularity? Homo Evolutis? The scientifically controlled society? First of all it’s not in a far and distant future like one might think, and neither is it science fiction…the new world order is in a microchip, and people all over are buying into it, unknowingly (I’m in the grid as well). Watch this clip from Juan Enriquez at TED talks to get a bigger picture on what’s coming.

    Tech evolution will eclipse the financial crisis: http://youtu.be/JNcLKbJs3xk

    And as Kurzweil says, technological evolution has an exponential curve, human clones (and other technologies that will defy and obliterate the known “laws of physics”) will be a reality before we know it.

    FROM BILL: Nothing will eclipse the financial crisis. When the money has been spent, the people have to live at a lower standard of living until more walth can be created. This is as natural a law as the law of gravity.

    Will there be another tech boom? Will there be amazing new technologies? Of course. But it will not stop the financial collapse from happening.

  223. ken Says:

    from ken: Bill, reading the blog posts over the last couple of weeks, I feel like I’m watching an episode of the twilight zone that I started watching halfway through, and no matter how hard I try, nothing being said makes any sense. Is it just me?

    FROM BILL: Yep.

    Hmmm, must be overwhelm. Thanks for the feedback.

  224. Jem Says:

    Are we going to get another blog soon Bill? I am on P2 now and what I am seeing is that as my awareness grows, my resistance lessens meaning that resistance stops awareness. Would I be correct in saying that all holosync is doing is helping release resistance which creates more awareness (resistance=blocked energy/free energy =awareness) which gives one more choice in life and in the freeing of energy makes one feel better internally again as when one was like a child with far less resistance to life. So in a sence it seems it is the system that we are bought up in that is totally opposed to creating well rounded whole human beings and it is the system that needs to be changed. And if it was focused on expression and also how the mind works i.e, your life principles course material being taught at school rarther than suppression and parrot like learning this world would be a far better, compassionate place with less war and environmental destruction, dog eat dog attitude. I know you have mentioned before that black/white can never win, but surely our education on how we teach the younger generation has a profound effect on reality. Love to hear your thoughts.

    FROM BILL: Those who run the schools have other goals. Unbelievably, not everyone agrees with me.

  225. Dave S Perkins Says:

    Where do you get this stuff? Are you really that gullible?

    Yes I am that gullible. I believe in Homo Evolutis Cyborg X-men taking over the World after the war with Skynet is over. I take people at face value and cannot see the value to myself in spending inordinate exponential amounts of time trying to change them. Yes I would be better of not making crass generalisations when many people are decent folk and like myself are simply struggling to survive but I seem to find myself isolated from decent folks through the bullshittering of the poison tongues, it reaches a point where you realise that certain individuals are so full of self-hate and self-loathing that they literally have a bloodlust desire to drive you and anyone else caught in they’re sphere of influence to harm.

    Another area of great study at the moment is the unconscious mind and many people are coming to the belief that the unconscious is far more powerful than our ego consciousness. Whether that accounts for why so many of us are lifes screw-ups and losers who knows! All I know is I have little interest in warring with people over issues attributed to myself that were never my issues in the first place!

    FROM BILL: Whatever. I assume there’s something in there that you’re trying to communicate, but I’m not sure what it is. The premises underlying what you are saying are so convoluted to me I don’t have the time or motivation to address them. Good luck.

  226. Ken Says:

    Bill, back to ‘isn’t it frustrating to be a person’ for a moment, you’ve said cause and effect effects everyone no matter how enlightened. What would you say is the #1 thing that negatively affects enlightened people you’ve met over the years? (i.e., debt, poor health, shadows about worldly success, etc.)

    FROM BILL: Everyone is effected by all the things you can’t do anything about, which I have listed ad nauseum. People are also affected by what they create through their Internal Map of Reality. This includes so-called “enlightened” people, too.

  227. Jem Says:

    Bill, I do have great respect for you so any thing I say take wiith that in mind. First if you agree with me, I would v ery much like to change the education system in England. Now the same needs to happen every where. China is about to become the next world influence and the only thing that can prevent us from becoming slaves to the system, & hence going back in evolution as opposed to moving foreward is teaching children how to actualy be human. I am on a quest to teach Kundalini Yoga to all children in England as part of the curiculm, would you be ok if I incorperated some of your teachings?

    FROM BILL: Be my guest. My teachings aren’t new. Sometimes my way of imparting them is.

  228. Jem Says:

    I hope thats not taken out of context, I only mean to ask.

  229. Santiago Says:

    Bill do you know David Allen’s “Getting things Done” book ? Any thoughts about it.

    FROM BILL: Good book.

  230. ZenTen Says:

    FROM BILL: Those who run the schools have other goals. Unbelievably, not everyone agrees with me.

    I agree with you Bill, their goals? Engineer society the way THEY want it.

    FROM BILL: Nothing will eclipse the financial crisis. When the money has been spent, the people have to live at a lower standard of living until more walth can be created. This is as natural a law as the law of gravity.

    Will there be another tech boom? Will there be amazing new technologies? Of course. But it will not stop the financial collapse from happening.

    But of course Bill, to create a new order you first need need to collapse everything into chaos. And since the world is made up of 99.999% followers, you need the “right” people to run the schools and to brainwash everybody into a certain belief system.

    The main mind control tool is repetition, turn on any TV set and you’ll find that they’ll tell you the same things over, and over, and over, and over again, without end. Left my TV set with my ex and her dog years ago (and I’m sure I’m still holding nonsensical beliefs, nobody’s perfect).

    Evolution is a slow process, these days it looks more like things move more and more towards devolution though…the external technological evolution isn’t necessarily related to an internal evolution (lowering entropy and moving towards love). We have more advanced toys, but do they improve the quality of our consciousness? I doubt it! (except of course an iPod loaded with Holosync).

    FROM BILL: These guys did not collapse the system on purpose. They’re not above taking advantage of it, but this was not planned.

  231. Cheryl Says:

    Bill,
    I stumbled onto this blog immediately after having purchased your product. I am more than a little taken aback by what I’ve been reading. Specifically, it’s hard not to conclude that you feel it’s okay to be dismissive of others’ points of view, harsh in your choice of words when you disagree, and generally just rather intimidating if one is inclined to feel intimidated…..(I am – part of the reason I purchased Holysync in the first place.) As I said, I stumbled onto this and don’t, therefore, know whether I’m seeing a fair picture. The clearest example I can think to use to illustrate my point/question is this; someone asked a question and you answered rather rudely before adding that s/he should be posing questions of the sort s/he had to your support staff. Honestly? I’m afraid to ask you a question.
    I’m quite sincere in my enquiry and would appreciate a response. I’ll add only that I’m more than halfway expecting you’re going to ream me out for it.
    Thanks for your time.

    FROM BILL: Yes, with some people I’m quite strict. Some of these people have years of history of asking me silly questions. I converse with different people in different ways. Some of these people have been pushing weird conspiracy theories here for some time and I’m not too patient with them anymore. When I see that someone can’t have a rational discourse, there’s no point in my spending a lot of time unwinding the pile of logical flaws in what they are saying, because I know from experience that they AREN’T LISTENING. Don’t be afraid to ask me a question.

  232. Erik Says:

    Hi Bill,

    I hope you’re doing well despite the hard times.

    As for me, even though I seem to be in an upward spiral and losing all my psychological problems (largely thanks to holosync), I also seem to have lost my motivation almost completely.

    That is partly because I somehow ended up going back to school (I definitely didn’t intend to do that…) so my parent’s cover my basic living expenses (food and electricity). That means my immediate survival doesn’t depend on me earning money.

    Unless something happens that I’m put into a situation where I either have to work or go hungry I know that I will do whatever I have to, but until something like that happens it seems almost impossible to make up my mind and take action. I have almost no motivation, so even the smallest obstacle can stop me, it’s like stumbling on a pebble.

    I have a belief that I can do or achieve anything if only I want it enough. The “problem” if it can be called a problem is in the wanting.

    I read books, watch and listen to quite a lot of lectures by some spiritual teachers. Right now mostly Alan Watts and Adyashanti(weird name I know), because what they say seems to resonate with me the most.

    Adyashanti and some other teachers have talked about people who are on the path of “true spirituality”, who at some point lose their personal will and become as if the “Tao” or the universe is acting through them. I don’t know much about that, but it sometimes sure does feel like I’ve lost my will.

    It’s neither completely automatic nor does it feel like I’m in control. It’s like I go with the flow, half resisting, never really feeling motivated or like I decide anything. I’m not even sure what this “I” is, except for the mind witch seems to have a habit of saying that, the feeling of the body or the awareness that witnesses all of it…

    There also seems to be a silence or a subtle feeling of emptiness in everything… I’m also completely aware that this could be a total self-deception or delusion on my part… At this point I’m not certain of anything anymore… It’s like I’m one mass of uncertainty, and I’m not even certain of that…yet, it’s not a very negative thing either…

    It’s a weird situation and I would be confused as hell if I tried to make sense of it intellectually, but I try to do that as little as possible…

    Am I deluding myself somehow? Am I just lazy? And what does that mean anyway?

    I’m not sure if this makes any damn sense at all. At the very least it helps a bit to write about it.

    Another thing…Alan Watts said that the ego is basically a mental image and muscle tension. Is that why my hands cramp and start to shake when I have to eat in front of other people? It’s making social situations even more of a pain in the ass for me. My hands seem to shake because I have some kind of underlying belief that social situations are dangerous, which makes me nervous, which in turn makes my hands shake, which makes me even more nervous etc…It’s like a vicious circle.

    I’m aware that my “problems” are quite pathetic compared to what I’m going to have to deal with in the near future, when as you said we’re going to hell in a hand basket.

    That doesn’t seem to have hit me yet. It’s like telling me to keep away from the fire because it’s hot. Yet, my brain doesn’t seem to GET it until I stick my hand in it and get burned. It’s almost like there is a block between my conscious mind and my unconsciousness.

    So, basically what I want to ask is, is this loss of will and motivation normal? Where does it lead to? I have definitely created lists of stuff that I would like to have or do, that almost all require money, but that doesn’t seem to motivate me. Is it because I already feel relatively good in the present moment? Also, do you have any advice about my social nervousness?

    I hope I made sense…

    FROM BILL: First, go read my two posts, The Five Stages of Waking UP and There You Are, Enlightened (look in the archives). This idea of blending into the Tao is a stop along the way, not the end, though many teachers are at that stage and think is IS the end.

    We are at a time of negative social mood (thoug we are in a brief upward correction that will probably last until the election). Everything that people try to do is more difficult. To feel as sense of fulfillment you have to have a challenge that is too hard to do easily, but not so hard you can’t do it at all. Too easy is boring; too hard is frustration. Things are more frustrating these days, and the normal persistence it takes to succeed (a lot even in good times) is much greater. There are more setbacks. If, however, you keep going with whatever you are trying to create, and push though, success is still possible.

    Your freezing up around people is not what Alan Watts is talking about. He’s talking about the normal striving people do and the muscle tension associated with that. When it is severe there’s some sort of a neurosis at work. Keep using Holosync and you’ll eventually push thorugh this.

  233. Erik Says:

    Thanks for the reply Bill, I really appreciate your help and advice.

    The way I understood what Alan Watts meant by the ego is, for example when you are late to some place and your mind imagines “I’m here but I should be there” (resistance) and you feel as if this idea is tearing you apart, which creates a lot of stress and tension in your muscles as you rush, that’s actually completely worthless.

    Without the ego’s interference you would just be walking as fast as you can and doing whatever physically possible to get there, without feeling any negative stress at all.

    I thought that the tension and shakiness in my hands is somehow related to this. The weird thing is that I’m much less nervous in social situations as I used to be even just a year ago(not to mention a few years ago), which makes this shakiness kind of strange because it’s relatively recent thing. But I’ll just deal with the discomfort until it passes.

    I’ve been reading and listening to Alan Watts a lot recently and been thinking about one of the principles you have talked about, that “the map is not the territory”.

    I have understood it to some extent (mostly intellectually) and it has given me probably one of the greatest insights I’ve ever had. It gave me a great clarity, the type I’ve never had before, about what reality is NOT and a hint on how to experience what it actually is.

    It’s like the first sign of order arising out of the chaos. What that principle seems to be saying is that no matter what explanation, ideology or philosophy you can come up with, it’s never true in the ultimate sense. No matter how large and complex your “map” is, it never comes close to the actual reality of existence.

    So, all the talk about whether it’s all predetermined or if free will does actually exist is kind of pointless. Neither of those is actually real. Even all the scientific theory that humans have ever created can’t encapsulate reality.

    I read some of your replies to some comments (didn’t feel interested enough to read the comments) where someone seemed to be arguing that everything is predetermined and you seemed to be thoroughly bored with the conversation.

    It made me wonder, what’s the point of clutching at a map that takes you to boring places? I don’t think that person realized that he was clutching at a map and thought that he was defending a reality.

    This understanding that the map is not the territory has really made letting go of the map MUCH easier. I’m really interested in where this is going.

    Thank you, I’ll go check out those posts you were talking about.

    FROM BILL: The map is not the territory simply means that an idea about something is not the same as the thing it represents or refers to. Your idea about “you” isn’t you. Your idea about Baltimore isn’t Baltimore. Any internal representations of a thing or event fails to completely contain or describe everything about what it refers to. This is partly because everything is connected to everything else and therefore actually includes everything else (ie, in reality there are no individual or separate things or events–there’s one big thing/event (ie, everything) and we MENTALLY divide it into supposedly separate things and events for convenience). No map can include everything it’s supposed to be mapping. If it did, the map would be the same size as what it is mapping. What good would a life-size map of the United States be?

    The tension Alan Watts refers to doesn’t need to be connected to some sort of significant event or concern. All human activity involves this tension, which is a symptom of having desires, large or small. A desire is something to be sought, something to strive for. All striving creates tension.

    The fundamentalist view of striving in Eastern philosophy (in Hinuism or Theravadan Buddhism, for instance) is that striving is a bad things and we should meditate or otherwise do some sort of spiritual practice so we can get over striving. But striving is the essence of being human (or should I say “the essence of human be-ing”). Without striving (or, to use the more common Eastern philosophy word, desire), you wouldn’t survive. You wouldn’t eat, come in out of the cold, take care of yourself, etc. We MUST desire and strive.

    This is what I have been talking about when I say that humans are caught in a bind, and that the human condition (the problem of being human) has no real “solution”. If you strive or desire (or, to use another Eastern philosophy buzz-word, if you are attached to people, things, outcomes), you open yourself to suffering. Why? Because the people and things are impermanent, so you ultimately lose them, and because people never consistently do what you want them to do. At least part of the time, you get what you don’t want, and the more you are attached, the more you suffer over it.

    On the other hand, if you don’t strive or desire, if you aren’t attached, what’s the point? In that case life has no juice, no excitement, no surprise–no point. So you’re damned if you do and you’re damned if you don’t. There’s a Zen koan about this: The master tells you: “If you ask me a question, I’ll give you thirty blows with my stick. If you fail to ask me a question, I’ll give you thirty blows with my stick.” No matter what you do, life smacks you around. No wonder you have chronic tension!

    This doesn’t mean life is ultimately negative, but it does mean that the trick to being human is to somehow navigate through life GIVEN THE FACT THAT BEING HUMAN INVOLVES THIS DOUBLE BIND, this insoluble problem, this dilemma for which there is no solution and from which you cannot escape. I’ve written several articles on this blog about this.

    Yes, when people are attached to an idea about reality, such as “everything is predetermined,” or “there is no choice” (or the opposite of these), they are caught in an IDEA about reality, which is the equivalent of trying to go camping on those little triangles on the map that represent mountains. Playing with ideas can be fun sometimes, but these peoples’ attachment to their idea IS boring to me. I left that sort of thing behind a while back.

  234. Jem Says:

    Its kinda of hard to remember your response after reading every elses views. You go here one minute & then you go there the next, No center is the problem.

    FROM BILL: And why do you need to remember my responses?

  235. catherine H Says:

    I started holosync to help with social nervousness/panic type thing as I’ve said before (Bill’s probably yawning and rolling his eyes as he reads this). After 10 years I think I’ve finally cracked it! That said, there’s actually nothing to crack…it’s just inappropriate anxiety in one of it’s many forms. If you’re anything like I was you tend to feed the anxiety with a rather overactive imagination, and before you know it you’re like a neurotic ninja on high alert. Exhausting and leaving little energy for more pleasurable creative pursuits.

    It took me a long time to really, really see how I created my particular nightmare, but what I’ve learnt along the way has been worth every uncomfortable feeling and despairing thought.

    On a practical note, it really is helpful (as Bill mentioned) to find something you enjoy doing that’s both creative and mentally challenging. Let your mind get caught up in something enjoyable rather than allowing yourself to focus on anxious thoughts. They mean nothing.

    FROM BILL: I did not roll my eyes! Thousands of people have told me similar stories. Those of you who aren’t yet using Holosync, what are you waiting for? Those of you who have used it and stopped–please, for your own good, start again!

  236. Dave S Perkins Says:

    I’m interested in combing through Ken’s thought regarding ‘shadows about worldly success’ inter-tangled (I am a very mixed in confusion) with this IDEA you present that you cannot not be ‘these’ UNITED STATES. If life were an allegory of a car race (Such as a Cannonball run, or a genuine Worldwide race such-as Formula 1) like most people;would you set yourself STAGING POSTS throughout the USA? or around the WORLD and then decide on what was successful and what was a failure according to how you achieved each STAGING POST? Trophies (self congratulations) handed out for accumulated year-long Season score, aswell as at EACH and EVERY STAGING POST.

    If you were myself and only seemed to live in the shadow dark coin side realms of failure-broken bones & ill health, failed marriage and countless other negatives, why wouldn’t you stop at the Tao Spirituality moment, when striving and desire in you’re own life accumulation of perceptions has only brought near death disharmony discord depression. Even if I’m mentally free of that stuff, its only through mentally reinforcing myself over and over again against delusions of the wider society I live in-these 7 Billion other people. Transition to a positive mental state or stage for myself never seems to translate to the same or positive pole of the double-bind when other people enter the equation, individually letting go of control freak issues doesn’t do the same for the Wider Community. You spoke of Holosync taking years to rid you of demons whilst striving, not striving keeps me alive (In my somewhat otherwise confused state).

    FROM BILL: Success is a shadow when you are bothered or annoyed by the successful. In that case you have disowned success. Pretty hard to succeed in that case.

    By not striving, you are also losing all the fun and juice in life. You failures and disappointments were not due to striving per se, but striving while focusing on what you are afraid of. If you did the same, but with awareness, you would soon drop it, as focusing on what you are afraid of isn’t resourceful.

    Strive to help others, to help them get what they want or solve their problems, and you can’t help but be successful.

  237. Ken Says:

    ‎”You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.”

    — Mae West

  238. Venu Says:

    JC:
    Have you spent all your lifetime searching instead of finding? What if you don’t find anything? If time and space are infinite (which they are), how does success or failure matter? (when you don’t consider life as a timeframe between birth and death). If you just sit back and relax, maybe you will see that there’s no actual progress on a spiritual journey?

    I know I sound very stupid, but consider this: When you boil water, the water evaporates and disappears. So would you say the water died? Of course not, a person with a least bit of common sense will say, the water just got vaporised, it’s in another form, and it could be water again, or not, or maybe ice, or maybe it will just disperse into everything else….the bottomline: water can’t die.
    You don’t have to believe in anything, no religion, none whatsoever, but you have had that Glimpse, and that should tell you that you are not just blood and flesh and bones and a body. You are profoundly a lot more than a sum total of your parts, and you know it. You just can’t see it yet. So what?
    There’s no progress in a life that spans into infinite time and space. Anybody that talks about growth is just still in the grips of the finite mind.

    Have Peace (or not—doesn’t matter?!), you are what you are and that’s beautiful!
    Venu.

    FROM BILL: Something that could be said only by someone in a dream.

  239. Anna Says:

    Hallo Bill, I just have to write this because it is important to me and I want to share it.
    I´ve been working with the DVD “Big Mind Big Heart” for the last six days. You sent it long time ago. I am at PL1, CD2.
    A week ago I just felt it was the right time for me to watch the DVD.
    It is amazing.
    Each of us who works with Holosync has his/her own way of improving the proper life.
    After a couple of weeks of listening the AwPrologue I discovered that I was emotionally deeply wounded and that I had to heal my wounds. The worst thing was that I knew I would need A LOT OF TIME. I knew I needed years. There was no way out.
    Watching Genpo was extremely helpful. Watching other people cry I realised I was not the only one who was deeply wounded.

    I do not want to write too long. Shortly speaking I learn to own what I kept disowning. This aproach is a big help as are all the conversations on the DVD.
    To learn loving myself is not the easy thing but I am sure I will learn my lessons. If somebody says I am too slow I don`t give a shit.
    There is no way out.
    Thank you.
    Anna.

    FROM BILL: Everyone is deeply wounded.

  240. Anna Says:

    Ps. Give a huuuuge hug to Genpo from me. The one with a lot of gratitude.
    Tell him he iiiis a sexy thing….By the way-you are to….°+°……..

  241. Anna Says:

    Sorry I`ve missed one”o”…YOU ARE SEXY TOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!1

  242. ZenTen Says:

    FROM BILL: These guys did not collapse the system on purpose. They’re not above taking advantage of it, but this was not planned.

    Bill, with all due respect, but I do not agree the slightest bit with you. Let’s just leave it at that (at least from my part).

    FROM BILL: My gosh, you don’t? Oh, no! Well, it’s more fun to follow all these conspiracy theories, though, isn’t it? You are attributing way more power to humans, whether they are “in charge” or not, than they deserve. I’m sure it’s a lot of fun for you, though. Have at it.

  243. Samuel Says:

    Hi Bill!
    Yesterday I search the webb for Genpo Roshi and found a lot about some “sex scandal”. It said that he has been having an “affair ” with some students of his. I know his a friend of yours so I am not asking you to comment on his personal life, Im just wondering why a person who seems to have this super-awareness would do such a thing, that really seemed to hurt him and others?

    FROM BILL: First of all, the “student” was 56 years old. What you read leads you to believe that the woman was really young and that he was taking advantage of her in some way. Not so. I’m not excusing the affair (and neither is he), but he was in a loveless marriage with someone who he had good reason to believe would do herself harm if he ended the relationship (which didn’t happen, but I know her and it was a valid fear on his part). So he chose to not end the relationship and get his closeness needs met with someone else.

    Being a normal human being has little to do with some sort of spiritual awareness. Genpo is without a doubt the most aware person I have ever met (and I have met quite a few super-aware people and I’m no slouch in that department myself). His ability to teach you or me or anyone else one hell of a lot about life has nothing to do with this incident. He does not, by the way, make any excuses about it, feels a lot of remorse, especially about his ex-wife, and I’ve never seen anyone go inside and search for greater awareness in response to such a fall from grace.

    And, by the way, he was mercilessly attacked by most of the Buddhist community, few of which had ANY idea what had actually happened, mostly based on their envy of his consciousness and his success and fame. He has handled the whole situation with incredibly dignity, which in itself taught me a lot.

  244. ZenTen Says:

    FROM BILL: My gosh, you don’t? Oh, no! Well, it’s more fun to follow all these conspiracy theories, though, isn’t it? You are attributing way more power to humans, whether they are “in charge” or not, than they deserve. I’m sure it’s a lot of fun for you, though. Have at it.

    Bill, you’re the one that said conspiracy theory. You’re one dense man aren’t you Bill? You’re so dense in fact, that you can’t even tell the difference between a contrail, a chemtrail and a cloud when you see one, and fuck me for saying this, but you’re a pilot! But alright, let’s leave it at that. It’s not my intention to be hostile towards you, I love holosync and am grateful for it (and yes, this is a thank you).

    FROM BILL: I’m a dense man, huh? You posted your last post, friend. If you have a rational argument, you should make it. Ad hominen attacks are the refuge of the person who cannot make an argument that addresses the real issues. Good bye!

    By the way, contrails are made of WATER VAPOR. Apparently so is your neural equipment.

  245. Carlos Says:

    FROM BILL: Everyone is deeply wounded.

    I think some more than others.

    Carlos

  246. Anna Says:

    You are right, Bill. Everybody…..They have my respect now.

  247. Terry Says:

    Hello Bill,

    just felt like saying hi and wishing you a pleasant Easter weekend.

    Terry

  248. Anna Says:

    That`s right, Terry. Let us all have a very happy Eastern time with special wishes for you, Bill and your extraordinary Centerpointe staff.
    With love.
    Anna.

  249. Roy Palmer Says:

    Happy Easter Bill. The world is a crazy place, full of crazy people. But your advice a while back to eat, drink and be merry seems to work pretty good most of the time to navigate through the human condition!

  250. Santiago Says:

    interesting video on meditation research being done in Harvard

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKxK9YTaTgA&feature=autoplay&list=PL2B54F329C5598789&lf=plpp_video&playnext=1

  251. Dave S Perkins Says:

    Strive to help others, to help them get what they want or solve their problems, and you can’t help but be successful.

    Statements like this seem ludicrous to me and I’ll give you a typical example of why! Next weekend in the UK a very big and apparently World Famous Horse race takes place at a racecourse on Merseyside called Aintree in Liverpool known as the Grand National. 99% of the UK population including myself know absolutely nothing about horse racing, yet year-on-year we spend millions of pounds on this one horse race tradition (Two if you include the Cheltenham Gold Cup (But that’s another story)) and all the bookies given odds get totally skewered and thrown out the Window because numpties such as myself and every other Tom Dick and Sally crawl out of the Woodwork with our own expert opinions based on the most stupidest reasons for choosing a winner, We like the name of the Horse, the Jockey, The Owner, The Colour scheme and pretty patterns they’re wearing, they won it previously so they’ll win again, they won that other race which is a marker for this race, my cousins Uncle has an aunt who knows the stable boy, my Star sign Oracle Guru wrote I would be lucky-it really is one of the truest challenges of finding a needle in a haystack, the goose that lays the golden egg. Yes we’ll have a week of concentrated juice on this one and we’ll all be screaming at the blue-sky again when it’s all over. Now people maybe asking themselves what has this got to do with Bill’s teachings and to tell you the truth in all that ranting and raving I kinda forgot myself- Oh yes now I got it-I spoke earlier of allegories and in the same manner am asking the question-is: Do you believe 100% everything in life to be a stick or twist gamble, based on some deep psychological learning of motivational generic truths that can be applied across all areas of life? Am I pushing away from success or pulling towards failure, am I a balanced level of the two?, do I actually need any of the judgemental debating thoughts whatsoever. My real (I think) issue-I have difficulty because I choose a particular reasoning as a gauge of success, when the reasoning fails I revert to the reasoning that I now think was what I should of reasoned and that fails me also, if someone came out with a theory of pinball psychology (deep south cousin of your billiard ball) I am that Pinball when what I psychologically want to be is the guy in control of the flippers? You’re a proven success as is you’re product and yet even trying to achieve a parallel of modelling that success or interacting here on you’re blog with yourself and other ladies and gentlemen is striving isn’t it? I think my logical flaws are logically flawed because attaining a level of unconscious competence and the confidence that would flow from that (logical flaw?) are frustrating slow in manifesting in my life.

    Do you have a stick or twist philosophy or generic philosophy that could actually find the needle-in-a-haystack Winner of a Horserace? when you are so deeply integrated into the Evolving Workings of the human race? What is a successful gauge of success described to a successless person?

    FROM BILL: You think success is picking the winner of a horserace?

    Success is creating what you want in life. Having friends and love in your life. Having a labor of love. Having financial freedom. Having hope for the future. If you want friends, and love, be aware of and care about the needs of others. If you want hope for the future, care about the needs of others. If you want financial freedom, find other human needs and fill them, or find other human problems and figure out a solution and provide it. People exchange money for something they want or for a solution to their problems. Every rich person, other than rich criminals, has acquired those riches through providing something other people want and are willing to pay to have. Those who are rich in human relationships got that way by caring about others.

    Picking something over which you have no control (which horse wins) and about which you have little or no expertise is a recipe for failure. How you could, of all things, pick THAT as a scenario to supposedly refute my statement that success comes from helping others solve their problems or get what they want is quite befuddling. It shows a decided lack of ability to think logically. I think you need to think a little harder about what success is, because you don’t seem to have a very clear definition.

  252. rosario Says:

    just curiosity.
    jiddu krishnamurti talks about the silent mind.
    is it true that the mind become silent ?
    thank you.
    rosario

    FROM BILL: It can.

  253. Anna Says:

    Great answer to Dave, Bill.
    What I learn every day is to become aware of my needs and my problems.
    Filling the needs and finding the solutions to my problems is the only way of moving forward. Professionally and privately.
    It is not that I decided to do so. The way is just the result of my desperation.

  254. Ken Says:

    Bill,

    What a great synopsis of what it takes to be successful in different areas of one’s life. I’ll tell you, once in a while, you really come up with some gems.

    Dave,

    I don’t like addressing others by name other than to complement them, but I feel compelled to offer you a second opinion here. I’ve read your posts for quite a while now, probably over a year. I confess that I stopped reading every word but started quickly skimming yours because of the confused nature of them.

    Basically, your thinking is very cloudy. That’s your main problem. I respect all the books you read trying to better yourself. But all that great information has to be properly digested and, as it is, it’s dumped into a hall of mirrors and scattered. I’d suggest you stop trying to figure it all out for a while. Focus on your holosync listening and watch bill’s 9 principles dvd a few times that I’m sure you own.

    By the way, I say this with love. I am saddened by your pain and really hope that with all of your efforts, because you’re clearly trying, you are able to break through the fog and find peace.

  255. Eric Says:

    Do you ever meditate on the Hara center, like is taught in most of the Zen teachings I’ve seen? Can you share a little about your experience the different energy centers and their role in development, and how Holosync effects these?

    Thanks

    FROM BILL: WHAT you meditate on doesn’t matter, other than that meditating on something that will lead you to harm people is of course a bad idea.

    Why ask such questions, though? If you want to know what happens when you meditate on the hara, do it for a while and find out. Learning about meditation by asking someone else’s opinion is useless.

  256. Daniel B Says:

    I have finally come to realize that raising your threshold is a process of maturing. And for some reason i have been very attached to the opposite, maturing seemed like the end of all my dreams which is not just false but the opposite is true. I only wish i could have learnt this lesson earlier. I wanted a higher threshold but also wanted my immaturity, i didnt want to feel old. Which i must have associated with maturity. Funny again when threshold goes higher and i mature i feel more youthful then ever but wiser too. So much of popular culture leads us in the wrong direction. Maybe its best to be succesful and not worry about being popular.

  257. Matt P Says:

    Is it possible to become unenlightened or, put a different way, experience an extended satori and then revert back to being separate from everything again?

    FROM BILL: You have never been, and could never be, separate from anything. You are inextricably CAUGHT in the midst of everything else, from which there is NO escape. What you mean to ask is, “Can you go back to being deluded that you are separate from everything?” I suppose you can, but that would be like thinking you are tall, when you aren’t, finally realizing that you aren’t tall, then somehow forgetting and going back to thinking that you are tall.

  258. Eric Says:

    With or without Holosync, I get different effects meditating on different centers. My experience is that meditating on the “Third Eye” makes me spacy, blissed out, and detached – and also less functional in the world. Meditating on the Heart makes me filled with love. Meditating on the Hara makes me feel grounded and physically stronger and ready to take on the world with a more focused, practical mind. But I don’t feel much love or bliss then.

    So for me it seems that it does matter what I meditate on, and even what position I sit in when I do it has an effect. I asked you because I wanted to see if you might share your experience, since you have been meditating a lot longer than most of the chaps I know and so have had a lot of experience. Just trying to get some insight from people who know what they are talking about, since there is a lot of shit written about meditation and it isn’t all very consistent.

    FROM BILL: I didn’t say nothing different happens. I said it doesn’t matter. If you’re just looking for an experience, then I guess to you it does matter. With more experience you’ll realize (I hope) that none of these exeriences mean squat. Awareness is the only outcome worth gaining, IMO.

  259. Eric Says:

    But awareness of what? If I meditate on my penis all day, won’t I just have really fantastic penis awareness but not more awareness of the thought processes in my mind? Or does it not work that way?

    FROM BILL: If you ar looking for mystical experiences (which, in my opinion, is a dead end, though it can be an amazing experience) it doesn’t matter. Whatever you do with awareness becomes a choice. If you are seeing the cognitive processes that shape how you feel, how you behave, which people and situations you attract or become attracted to, and what meanings you assign to what happens, then those things will become a choice (to the degree you are aware of them. That is not the same, however, as having some sort of ‘experience.”

  260. Terry Lyle Says:

    Well…my thought is that this thread has gone on long enough. Bill, please come up with another subject that will have us all in an uproar, upheaval or joy..whether it be “for” or “against”. But a new chapter would be welcomed.

    Most likely it will be the same posters responding beating their drums…but let’s take a breath.

    Deep inhale…now exhale.

    Certainly there must be something more to discuss than the collapse of the economy, utter negative social climate where there is little hope, everyone’s deep…and I mean deep…clinging to dogma, whether personal or institutional.

    Good grief, am I the only one who uses Holosync and can spend a moment in peace? If only a brief moment. If that’s true then the world sure is doomed what with the “collective mind” being focused on what we DO NOT WANT!

    I’m all for reality…couldn’t say that a few years ago…but fer pete’s sake…how about identifying the steps forward instead of bickering about the present?

    FROM BILL: Yes, I’m sorry it has been so long since I posted. Recently I’ve been very, very sick.

  261. Roland Martin Says:

    I searched every single word on this blog for every instance in which you mentioned the word —— Bill. Read this http://vitals.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/23/11292844-brain-scans-show-why-some-cant-resist-temptation Now that you are aware of that do you have any —– about the —– or ——– of what you teach? Spaces left open so you can add your own variables and create an interesting response.

    FROM BILL: The wiring in your brain is not set. It is very plastic. These brain scans are symptoms, pictures of what is happening now, not causes. Perhaps I will post something about will power and self-regulation, as there is much new research about it (and this is a cornerstone of what I teach).

  262. Vic Says:

    Bill, Sorry to hear that you have been sick. Hope you feel better soon. Vic

  263. Terry Says:

    I’m sorry to hear you’ve been ill. I wish you a full and speedy recovery.

  264. michelle s Says:

    Hi Bill:

    Reading the posts-sorry to hear that you’ve been sick-that sucks. I hope you are recovering-I for one sure am glad that a voice of sanity (yours) exists. When you are up for it- would love to have a post on anything that catches your fancy- you are one of my favourite teachers-and I’m not just saying that:)
    Get well
    Michelle

  265. Daniel B Says:

    Yes Bill would love a post on will power and self regulation!

  266. Daniel B Says:

    Sorry to hear you have been sick. Hope you are feeling better. There will be many people hoping you are feeling better

  267. & Says:

    Have you really been sick Bill or just lying?

    Hahahahahaha gettit? Lying down.

    Oh boy I’m an idiot.

  268. & Says:

    I apologise if you really have been sick. Hope you’re well again soon.

  269. RV Says:

    Get better soon, Bill!

  270. John Neilson Says:

    I wondered why you didn’t mention BigMind-BigHeart to JC – if he is at Stage 3 what better (& quicker) way to get to stage 5 than by spending time with Genpo Roshi or one of his disciples?

  271. David Kniffin Says:

    Bill,

    I’m sorry to read that you’ve been sick. I hope you’re not too uncomfortable, and on the mend.

    I’m thinking of you.

    My best,

    David

  272. Ghislaine Says:

    Dear Bill,
    I feel sorry you have been sick. I hope you ll get better soon. I have been challenged by health problems myself but it is getting better now. Just to tell you how grateful I am still as you helped me a great deal while in your course and I asked too many questions. My situation has totally changed for the better and you helped me to become a strong and useful person. I admire you and your work is a contribution to world peace. Thank you

    FROM BILL: Ghislaine, you did NOT ask too many questions in the Life Principles courses. You asked good questions, and most important, YOU DID THE WORK–you actually did what I asked you to do. That’s why you’ve had such a dramatic change in your life. What I teach in my Life Principles courses really works, but it does require the student to DO SOMETHING. So much of what is out there in the personal growth world is just a lot of feel-good platitudes, and little actual meat. My stuff has real meat, and if someone pays the price to master it, as you did, it creates significant positive results. You have been a model student. I’d love to meet you some day. For those of you who are ready to really do something to change your life, go to http://www.centerpointe.com/life/preview.

  273. catherine H Says:

    …perhaps Bill was being a tad sarcastic….considering he’s constantly posting and responding….

    Can hear those drums beating Terry! Yours is in there too!

  274. Terry Says:

    Catherine H said:
    …perhaps Bill was being a tad sarcastic….considering he’s constantly posting and responding….

    Can hear those drums beating Terry! Yours is in there too!

    TERRY says:
    I’m afraid the beating drums comment went over my head. Bill hasn’t written a new post in four months so I don’t think he was being sarcastic.

    FROM BILL: What is it I’m supposed to have been sarcastic about?

  275. Lui Says:

    Bill,
    i have been getting deep into shamanism. would you consider that magical thinking? this is not a practice of wishful thinking or anything like that. this would be more like being aware of the Tao, or Zen. Along with astral traveling, etc.
    thank you.

    FROM BILL: Yeah, there’s lots of scientific evidence of astral travelling. It’s in all the scientific journals. Oops. Maybe not. Shamanism is a spiritual approach of the purple meme in Spiral Dynamics. It IS magical thinking, from a pre-rational, pre-scientific time. See my early posts about human development.

  276. Dave S Perkins Says:

    I too would like too send you blessings and a speedy return to your preferred state of health and well being.

    I have at Ken’s suggestion watched the 9 Principles DVD a couple of times through and I am sure the information will gradually sink through to where it matters most, and I would also point out that despite the seemingly eclectic and hodgepodge manner of my postings I have been and will continue to work through the excellent on-line courses you’ve provided; admittedly I stalled at a certain point (I became frustrated at having to wait for my next installment so to speak) now I find I’m able to go to any point in the course at will without the frustrating wait as access was opened monthly to each segment.

    I think my first year of Holosync usage has been a success, I know Santiago at one point mentioned people numbers and I remember at that point in time spluttering hasn’t he looked at the huge amount of people from all walks of life contributing to these blogs since the Hell in a Hand-basket series began (not that you were short of posters previously) just that there was a markedly visible increase, which for myself I personally found overwhelming, so I would thank all those peoples too.

    This first year for me has been more about LEARNING TO MEDITATE and Identifying ALL THOSE LONG LOST CHARACTERS I’ve accumulated so as to release and let them go, I was reminded of a whole new batch recently whilst attending a First Aid Refresher Course, young master shocked and traumatized with his grazed knee, fell out of tree, stung by nettles and many more. I have looked at the Big Mind website as well as other meditative experts’ work-Sharon Salzberg springs to mind, so things are looking up as I continue to participate and put the work in for myself. Perhaps Ken was distracted/appalled by my lack of meditation speak or constant name dropping but it’s hardly a “Don’t you know who I am!” declaration just an ongoing growth of awareness and learning. :)

  277. Ghislaine Says:

    thanks Bill

  278. catherine H Says:

    Sorry if it went over your head Terry….you mentioned about the ‘same posters responding beating their drums’ as if you weren’t one of them.

    I see that a new topic hasn’t been posted for a while, but as Bill is CONSTANTLY posting and responding to our, let’s face it, often fatuous comments, I thought his ‘I’ve been very, very sick lately’ remark may have been a small joke.

    Please forgive me/ shoot me/disown me/call me names if you so wish (not that for a minute I’m suggesting that you would like to or indeed have done any of those things). My sense of humour is poorly developed and I am usually wrong about just about anything you care to mention. I am peaceful though which is nice.

    FROM BILL: No, I have been very sick, and from about Easter or a day or two after until about 10 days ago I wasn’t doing ANYTHING but trying to make it from one moment to the next. I don’t believe a posted much if at all during that time. If I did, I was pretty drugged up and a little bit lucid for an hour or so.

  279. Chewy Productions Says:

    hey this is my film trailer, I made this with the help of two wonderful dogs, and imovie for ipad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MRHdsvZ-nc
    the point made here is that competiting neuro patterns will (options in your mind) will physically race to inhibit the other neuro pattern (when neurons fire they inhibit nearby neurons resulting in a cleaner signal) the result (what you believe, say, or do) is determined by physics, you cannot chose to defy the physics that governs your brains mental state. To think otherwise is magical thinking :)

    FROM BILL: Fraid not. The one thing you CAN do is go against the preogramming in your brain. You just have to be aware enough to observe it as it happens.

  280. Terry Says:

    FROM BILL: What is it I’m supposed to have been sarcastic about?

    FROM TERRY: It seems Catherine H thought you were being sarcastic when you said you were unwell..not sure why she thought that though…

  281. Bristow Says:

    When in bed at night I hear a noise in the closet, I don’t put the covers over my head and shake in fear of what might be there. I fling the door wide open and investigate.

    This “Recently I’ve been very, very sick” business is my noise in the closet. So here I go, flinging the door wide open.

    Bill, what’s wrong with your health?

    This is not a prurient inquiry. It is a very caring one.

    With love.

    FROM BILL: I had the kind of flu people die from. Now I know why. I won’t miss a flu shot again, believe me.

  282. catherine H Says:

    ok, so it wasn’t a joke…..I will remain deadly serious from now on.

    Real flu is awful…sending you love and best wishes for a full recovery x

  283. Bristow Says:

    Have yourself a good rest Bill. You are dear to so many. And thank you for easing my (our?) mind about your wellbeing.

    Whole lot of love!

  284. Stauch Says:

    Bill,

    After using Holosync for two years + I am basically the same guy with a brain that is addicted to Holosync signals. All of my bad habits remain and unfortunately, some of my good habits have disappeared. I am nearing the end of Awakening Level 4. Does this stuff really change people or just give us another “high”? In other words what benefits other than a stimulated brain will I receive from even higher levels of Holosync? The best externally measurable benefit I’ve developed, I think, is due to the affirmations embedded in the Floating soundtrack, which I can’t even confirm exist (the affirmations).

    any comment?

    Stauch

    FROM BILL: Holosync makes you more aware. It’s up to you to use the awareness to change yourself. If you are looking for some automatic method that lets you off the hook for being in charge of your own life, this isn’t it. Holosync shows you who you are under the facade. So. you’re finding out. Don’t blame Holosync for what you’re finding. That would be like blaming a microscope for germs, or your new glasses for finding out that your girlfriend is ugly.

  285. Chewy Productions Says:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9239372/Slackers-brains-are-wired-to-under-achieve.html the physical state of the mind is determining how much will power a person has!

    FROM BILL: Everything you do has a corelate in your brain. So what? That doesn’t mean it CAUSES what you do. Your brain records (inaccurately) your experiences as they come in through your senses, so you can better respond in the future to what happens. The fact that your recorder reflects what comes in and how your respond doesn’t mean that it is the CAUSE. What happens is an interaction between you and your environment. In fact, you could say that you and your environment are, in a sense, one organism.

    Quoting things you found but don’t really understand isn’t a real discussion or a real argument.

  286. Chewy Productions Says:

    1. We are not going to be conscious of the overwhelming majority of neural firing patterns, just the grand summaries, the peaking news headlines, the most glorious waves!

    2. What you want to change your mind your mind to is the action of another competiting neural sequence.

    3. So lets reinterpret the mystical “thought/choice energy” as “a physical neuron firing sequence” that is physically firing in an attempt to dominate other “physical neuron firing sequences” or “thought energies”

    4. If your mind was not a physical physics governed process then how could something like holosync ever work?

    5. You arrived at every thought because of the physics guiding every previous physical thought, every cell in your mind working as well as it does interacting with the full ecosystem of life experience.

    6. We fall towards our path, every word we encounter is merely part of our path, its a myth to think that any preponderance of possible paths will lead to anything other than what is already most likely given the physics of things in the unconscious mind, and its interaction with the microscopic world of sensory data patterns.

    FROM BILL: I get it. You are a robot with no will of your own. How sad. I, fortunately, am not a robot.

  287. Chewy Productions Says:

    “I am the voice of the dominant neural firing pattern in my brain! I overcome the programming of other lower neural firing patterns! Until today I thought this was choice, now I realize I’ve been identified with a voice that is an actual physical pattern emerging in my physical brain, dominating other physical patterns in my brain. I am not some hazy quasi mystical “thought energy” anymore, I am the action result of many brain cells firing in a highly coordinated sequence” that’s what I imagine your thinking right now if your really considering this.

    FROM BILL: Okay. Boring. We’re done with this topic.

  288. michelle s Says:

    Once again, glad that you are on the mend.
    I would like to know what you thought of when you were lucid about dying.
    My Mom died within the last month. I was there for the most part during that time, and even though over the years we had spoken lots about death-it obviously is not the same as the actual experience.
    No matter what happens we are not fully prepared for death-and how can we be-since we (as humans) are programmed genetically to survive.
    I know death comes for all of us-ready or not-that is the natural conclusion of life- but the aftermath sucks.
    Attachment hurts-but there is no way I would give up the attachment. The only way through is to keep going. I know when my Dad died 25 years ago I dealt with it way differently-partially due to my younger age-and wanting to numb the pain. Now I know it’s better to feel it than push it aside. I do feel that society doesn’t give much allowance for people to grieve like they used to when people wore black and mourned for a year-at least then people would know why you were sad-now it seems that it should be gotten over in a matter of days. That is the same for illness as well-but really it can give a person a new viewpoint. That being said-what do you think about dying?-not about afterlife-or whatever-but about the process leading up to it-how can people handle it/prepare

    I am thankful that my threshold is higher due to Holosync/LPIP etc,-although pain is pain.

    Take care,

    Michelle

    FROM BILL: The couble bind of life is that if we are attached we will suffer, and if we aren’t, we aren’t alive.

  289. David Dempsey Says:

    Bill,

    Are you familiar with the work that Jonathan Parker did at Gateway Institute? He taught Meditation and Mental Clearing Exercises, ect.
    I bought some Programs on Tape from Gateway in the late 1980′s, and they seemed to work pretty well when I applied myself. I wore some of my tapes out listening to them so much.
    I enjoy reading this Blog and listening to the MP3s. I have learned a lot that I was not aware of before I found this web site.

    David

    FROM BILL: Yes, I remember the Gateway Institue. Most people eventually concluded that he was a charlatan. He was know to chanrge thousands of dollars for silly stuff that did nothing (his tapes may have done something, but his spinning chairs and other stuff didn’t).

  290. Daniel B Says:

    Im very grateful your ok. You are my first and most important teacher and although i have branched out greatly ( as you do with holysync your brain gets hungry) it always seems to relate back to some principle you teach. So very glad you are well again i always hoped that i would get to hang again some time ( ive been to a retreat ). Personal question but do you feel you have changed in anyway coming close to death at all? I know my near death experiences have helped shape my outlook.

    FROM BILL: As far as I can tell, I’m getting closer to death every day.

  291. Ben Hobotowato Says:

    I have been thinking about the previously posted video. I am starting to generate some interesting new ideas!

    It seems to suggest that thoughts are in competition with other thoughts. So if you have ‘the dominant thought’ which ‘thinks it is above thoughts’, it might even say that “thoughts are slaves, and they have limitations that I don’t have” but that is still thought isn’t it?

    FROM BILL: Really tired of this boring topic. Must be my nerves firing. Or maybe it’s just a really boring topic.

    I’m not aware of any possible separation between mind and body, the words “FROM BILL: I had the kind of flu people die from. Now I know why. I won’t miss a flu shot again, believe me.” was most likely the result an actual sequence of fired nerve cells in your physical brain right? That’s what you believe right Bill?

    Isn’t it physics that is governing your nerve cells dynamic interactions both within and with the surrounding ecosystem?

    Bill are you saying we direct our nerve cells patterns in a way that is different from how the physics would direct our nerve cell patterns?

    Perhaps even the experience of pure observing is really the result of fired neurons, why not?

    If you perceive any forms, any shapes, any chairs, and light, and self, it might be fired neurons creating that sense, it pops into your mind because its physically being simulated inside your mind, by cells.

    In which case what we think and do would be a result of our braincells before we become aware of it.

    Do you think that the cells in the human brain have some special exemption from the laws of physics?

  292. Chris M Says:

    Do you think it’s possible to torture someone (any person) into saying/doing anything?

    I’ve relaxed around it now, but until recently I thought a grim coveting of the inevitability of suffering, MY suffering, would somehow mean I’d be able to ‘hold’ it, control it, perhaps that it wouldn’t be so painful. Though I kinda like the idea of being miserable at the gym (rather than sometime else), I recognized that that very framework likely is compounding it, and while that isn’t a bad thing, an unplanned thing happened – rather than angrily working through it (the time) as inevitable, there was during a rather intense period a overwhelming despair – preconceptions seemed to fall away – it’s like something didn’t survive through that. I’m sure many people have had the phenomenon in gym, looking at the clock, 5 minutes pass, then another 5, then 4, then 3, (and by this time its hard not to be present with the suffering) and so on.

    I’ve been kinda flirting with the idea of being in the moment (being appealing), living that way, what struck me was “what would happen if that presence looking at the clock, went down to minute intervals, second intervals, a singularity?

    I didn’t go back to the gym for a bit. I like feeling self-important and maybe that’s why I’m posting, to show off how awesome I think I am (kinda). Sometimes ‘being too intense’ as one may put it, isn’t the way, doesn’t move one faster from a to b. It appeals to grow, seems like a great thing – be that person you have failed to become in past, hated yourself, still want to be, etc. etc.

    FROM BILL: Being in the moment is great when the moment is enjoyable. when it’s filled with suffering, it’s terrible. Like ALL the other “spiritual” homilies, it’s right part of the time. Another: don’t be attached. Yes, sometimes being unattached is the thing to do. However, if you aren’t attached to things you love, what’s the point of being alive.

    This is why I have emphasized for so long (and so many of you have missed the point because you’re so in your head) that humans are caught in a double bind from which there is no escape. ONE of many manifestations of that double bind is that if you are in the moment, it can be great, but in the next moment you just want to distract yourself from the moment. Or, if you’re attached, you suffer. If you aren’t, you miss the juice of life? What to do? Well, there’s nothing you can do in any sort of permanent sense to “solve” this dilemma. Nothing. You have to roll with the punches, but even that doesn’t always work.

  293. Vic Says:

    Damn these new glasses!!! :D

  294. Ken Says:

    Bill. this is attachment talking, and I’m selfishly glad you’re on the mend. I don’t think you’re work here is finished yet. Thanks for all you do. It has helped me immensely.

  295. natasha Says:

    bill, i don’t know if you’ve been asked before, do you still meditate? (aside from holosync)

    thanks,

    hope you’re feeling better,

    n.

    FROM BILL: Define meditate.

  296. Stuart Says:

    Bill,

    I was curious about your reply to Lui:

    “Yeah, there’s lots of scientific evidence of astral travelling. It’s in all the scientific journals. Oops. Maybe not.”

    I don’t know anything about shamanism or astral travelling, but is all of reality recorded in scientific journals? When I lie in Shavasana after an hour of yoga, I experience Prana – the subtle body. Is that in scientific journals?

    FROM BILL: You experiences SOMETHING. Some people have named what you experienced “prana”. So what? What does that prove? That because someone name it prana that “prana” exists? There’s all kinds of things Hindus and others say about what they call prana. However, none of what they say has been proven. That’s what I’m talking about. Just saying you had an experience and calling it something doesn’t mean that it’s what you called it. People say they had an experinece of a past life (or of death). Well, they had an experience of something. What proof is there that it’s a past life, or death, and not just some imagining? None whatsoever. If you want to live in the world of making shit up because you like to think it’s true, have at it. But don’t try to say that what you’re believing is a fact unless there is empirical evidence that it’s a fact.

    Many of you have no idea how those who investigate how things work in the world do that investigation, and how they determine what is what. But you have plenty of uninformed opinions about everything. No, something doesn’t need to be in a scientific journal to be a fact, but trust me, there is a way to test such things. Prana is a name for “life force energy.” In every moment you are experiencing it. You can’t NOT experience it. But “life force energy” is just another name. Stubbing your toe is life force energy. So what? You’re trying to make the commonplace into something metaphysical. Stop confusing yourself. Just live.

  297. Terry Says:

    You’re confusing me with someone else Catherine H. I’ve never used a “beating drums” analogy in my life.

    Bill, I’m horrified to hear you were so ill. You better look after yourself. If you die, I’ll kill ya’

    FROM BILL: Everyone lighten up. I’m not dying.

  298. Doug H. Castor Says:

    Hi Bill,

    Graceful and honorable sir.

    A friend of mine, a real person in real life, who is a brilliant guy successful guy, he went through Y-combinator which is a start up boot camp in Silicon Valley, associated with Google, and has his own company Cloud Fuji.

    He made an argument to me that was materialist, if the mind is material (not spiritual) then to him at least logically there is only one path for each of us. His expressed belief was that you would need a spirit to be separate from the laws of cause and effect.

    I am really not sure that’s true, but it’s possible.

    Yet you are also a successful guy, with your own business, and you have years of experience that my young friend doesn’t have yet. Your council might be better but who knows these things?

    To take my friends argument, to believe there is only one path and one possibility is radical and new for me. I think I would have to believe that every time I thought I was making a smart move, that somehow I was telling a lie to myself, taking credit for an action that was actually the only thing possible given the real physics of the real universe.

    It would almost be as if there was only one possible path for each of us to take in life. Not multiple possible paths, just one. That would at least eliminate the need for a multiple universe theory.

    Why do you take credit for your thoughts?

    Why is that important?

    It might seem like there is more than one possibility, but even if there is, why might you believe there is more than one possible path that you could take?

    I think in society we are conditioned to think there is more than one thing, more than one path, more than one way, but in Buddhist wisdom, beyond conditioning, is there really more than one thing? In Buddhist wisdom is there really more than one path? Is there really more than one way?

    Maybe there is only one idea, one choice, one option, one path, one thing, that is everything all at once.

    FROM BILL: Every moment is a decision, and each decision has consequences. There are an infinite number of possibilities, not just for you, but for every single atom in the universe. What will happen will always be a surprise in the details. History doesn’t repeat itself, but it does rhyme.

  299. Dat Says:

    I don’t have any less choice than you Bill. I have the most amazing self control. I am so highly coordinated it feels automatic. It feels perfect. However the idea that I am the cause of anything, as if I am the source of the cosmos, seems like an artificial convention. Maybe because of my expanded awareness I am now choosing how I feel, or maybe because of my expanded awareness my path to the most optimal feeling is still on automatic, but its just optimized in such a way so as to seem like choice. What if I am not really choosing how I feel, but instead I am only taking credit for choosing how I feel?

    FROM BILL: Don’t you have something better to do with your time that think about these sorts of silly things? Get a hobby. Clean your garage. Eat something tasty. Take a nap. Or, keep thinking yourself into circles.

  300. Chris Says:

    Hi Bill,

    Interesting comments regarding Dr. Jonathan Parker and Gateways. I have used Dr. Parker’s audio programs from his Quantum Quests company and they are extremely well done and effective. I think you would approve of his work in this regard.

    I am not aware of what he was doing in the 80’s. I wonder if he is the same person you are referring to. It was through Dr. Parker and Gateways that I learned about Centerpointe and Holosync (I received a marketing letter from them in the mid 90’s recommending Centerpointe). So I assume you may have had some sort of marketing arrangement with him in the 90’s?

    In any case the stuff he is doing now seems to be totally above board.

    FROM BILL: I don’t remember. It’s possible. Maybe I am confusing him with someone else. I can’t remember what I did last week anymore.

  301. Dat Says:

    “FROM BILL: As far as I can tell, I’m getting closer to death every day.”

    Perhaps this statement means your threshold is nearing another transformation. Its the kind of thing the unconsciousmind might assemble when the old narrative is no longer enough to keep up. The internet, facebook, blogs, all the new channels of information can be enough reason to eventually cause a transformation in your inner narrative so you have a new higher threshold!

    FROM BILL: You’re getting closer to death every day, too.

  302. Mara Says:

    Dear dear Bill from the evidence we are looking at it seems like a conscious decision is the result of a neurological process, not the cause of a neurological process.

    http://the-connectome.com/2012/05/the-depths-of-decisions/

    What we see when we look inside the brain is an almost chaotic bouncing of signals from neuron to neuron to neuron, almost like the dancing of water molecules in the ocean. It’s not like there is some obvious source of centralized control. Even we are also our environment as you say I don’t see any mechanism of choice outside me either.

    Where is it? Where does choice begin? Things are happening, but I see no reason to believe that my thoughts are causing what is happening. Just because the voice in my head says I did it, I chose that, I built this, I did it, does not mean my voice or my belief is any thing more than a form manufactured by a brain controlled by the hand of electric, and chemical dynamics at the cellular level of tissue.

    Something mindless hath apparently given rise to the simulation of a mind, a simulation that is most likely an illusion.

    Is your mind real? How do you know?

    FROM BILL: Again, if you want to think about this sort of silly stuff, do it on your own. It is pointless and boring to me. I will not post anything else about it.

  303. Stauch Says:

    Holosync has definitely changed me, and for the better. It hasn’t changed my habits however, but perhaps developed some mental tools which I really don’y know how to engage yet. Bill, does this trend continue as you advance through the Flowering levels? I could do Holosync for a lot longer than an hour a day. Would that accelerate the end result? How about the theta wave discs, what benefit do they provide compare to straight delta? Any advice? By the way thanks for your last response. It was well received. By the way, you’re not closer to death every day. It’s closer to you. Keep running!!

    FROM BILL: Ask our support department.

  304. Stuart Says:

    The experience of prana after an hour of yoga is more than just the life force energy of stubbing your toe, or in fact anything you experience in day to day life. It’s a distinct state, in the same way that Big Mind is a distinct state, but there’s no way that science can empirically “prove” that Big Mind is real either.

    To say something isn’t a fact until there’s empirical evidence for it seems to me to be classic reductionism to Ken Wilber’s Upper Right Quadrant (if that doesn’t sound too pompous of me – I know you know Ken personally, and I only discovered him through you). But the only point I’m making is that there’s plenty of internal experiences and states that are real without objective proof.

    Anyway I’m not going to go on about it, I was going through major overwhelm last week and for some reason your comment triggered me to post. No big deal!

    FROM BILL: Building a whole philosophy around a fuzzy term that no one can really define seems pretty lame to me. Everything in existence isn’t a FACT, but some things are facts. Calling something that isn’t a fact a fact is being stuck in the upper left quadrant. So what if it is a state. Then what? How does that solve your human problems, elevating a state to some sort of spiritual plane? A state is a state is a state. Experience it. There’s nothing else to do with it. You certainly don’t have to spin an entire mythology around it.

  305. Bill Says:

    “You think you’re ‘thinking’ but you’re actually listening.” ~Terence McKenna

    FROM BILL: Every moment is a decision.

    Who is making that decision? Only physics.

    FROM BILL: Boring. No more posts about your fantasy that you have no choice.

  306. Castle Says:

    Choice is dualism, it’s the mind splitting the world into bits.

    To be enlightened, to have committed satori, is to see that determinism is the only reality.

    I have written this to heal you dragon. See the truth!

    FROM BILL: You are lost, my friend, in the non-dual. Humans, for better or for worse, must live in the dual. Yes, it is created by your mind. Without it, you could not survive, however. Disowning the dual is yet another delusion.

  307. Stuart Says:

    Okay, I take your point. Internal states you create through yoga and meditation are real, but they don’t “mean” anything without empirical proof. Thanks.

  308. Castle Says:

    If dualism was distinct from non-dualism that would be the perspective of dualism, if dualism was the same as non-dualism, that would be the perspective of non-dualism.

    Any fifth rank Tozan could see that there is only one choice, the choice of the non-dual to be all of this, and in that truth determinism is obvious.

    It is not my personal fantasy that dualism is really an illusion, that choice is really an illusion. I make decisions all the time, but the idea that my decisions are separate from oneness with the whole physics of it all is absurd, I cannot be separate from physics, I am that, my thoughts are that.

    FROM BILL: You’re reading too many books. Dualism isn’t an illusion. It is a description of IDEAS about reality, all of which are framed in terms of polarities. What you need to keep in mind isn’t that dualism is an illusion, but that ideas about things are not the same as the things they represent or map. The map is not the territory. Maps, however are not an illusion. The are representations of reality but are not the reality the represent. “Illusion” is the wrong translation of the sanskrit.

  309. Ken Says:

    Bill, were you a professional jazz musician in your youth or did that not occur until later?

    FROM BILL: My first paid job was at age 14.

  310. natasha Says:

    I read somewhere that you practised traditional meditation for many years before coming up with holosync, so I was wondering whether you still do that : )
    Did you count your breaths back then? or do shikantaza?

    thanks

    From Bill: I did many different forms of meditation. They are all basically the same.

  311. Dave S Perkins Says:

    I’m the Bard of Torah-Poper,
    A puzzling conundrum of rhymes,
    through time and space neurons near and far,
    up and down quantum riddles this place,
    the master ego-consciousness? or merely a threshold apart,
    7 plots do humans have 5 stages of tragedy too,
    and all in detecting medecting a heart,
    deep inner seas that no mortal describes,
    a curve between parallels steal fire from the gods,
    a point in a telescope maps,
    no sense is made in artistic prose,
    an outlet for wierdness who nose,
    I only ever created these words,
    endeavouring a ‘SEAL VOTE OH!’

    I put on an accent in Spanglish,
    Jamaican and African too,
    trying many forms and shapes,
    of those words MAGIC WORDS known as A
    ‘SEAL VOTE OH’

  312. nick Says:

    does studying metaphysics help you with the LPIP courses? or are these 2 separate things?

    FROM BILL: Most of what is called “metaphysics” is baloney. Perhaps studying it will eventually make that clear to you.

  313. Chris Says:

    FROM BILL: You experiences SOMETHING. Some people have named what you experienced “prana”. So what? What does that prove? That because someone name it prana that “prana” exists? There’s all kinds of things Hindus and others say about what they call prana. However, none of what they say has been proven. That’s what I’m talking about. Just saying you had an experience and calling it something doesn’t mean that it’s what you called it. People say they had an experinece of a past life (or of death). Well, they had an experience of something. What proof is there that it’s a past life, or death, and not just some imagining? None whatsoever. If you want to live in the world of making shit up because you like to think it’s true, have at it. But don’t try to say that what you’re believing is a fact unless there is empirical evidence that it’s a fact.

    —-
    But Bill, aren’t you getting caught up in the “flatland” quadrant that Ken Wilber describes…… because something can’t be objectively measured, it doesn’t exist? What about interiority? What about self experiences that are common across cultures and described commonly but yet could never be objectively quantified?

    What about the personal quadrant? What do you say to Wilber?

    FROM BILL: THose things exist. They are not facts. Facts live in the upper right quadrant.

  314. Epiheart Says:

    Earlier you suggested that thinking was correlated but not caused by neural activity, and that neural activity was recording thought.

    So I propose a thought experiment.

    Imagine that your thoughts are separate from neural activity, and your neural activity matches your thoughts.

    Next imagine a supercomputer creates a perfect simulation of your brain after a revolutionary new brainscan technology takes a perfect scan of your entire brain.

    Now suppose this supercomputer calculates the path of every particle, chemical, cells, protein, gene, and everything else in your brain and it discovers that everything in your brain has moved in perfect alignment with the same laws of physics that define the entire cosmos!

    Suppose that its just a coincidence then that all your free will decision making just accidently happened to be in alignment with these laws so that when your brain recorded your memories, it just happened to be in perfect alignment with physics, while faithfully recording your free will and choice.

    FROM BILL: Go read some Ilya Prigogine. You are forgetting all the laws that govern complex systems. And your thought experiment is just your own imaginings. It proves nothing and (as I said) flies in the face of everything we;ve learned about the behavior of complex systems.

  315. Dennis in London Says:

    Bill,

    I just finished Purification level 3 and I have had many, many benefits from using Holosync up to this level. But I also have a question for you.

    I am now using the brilliant Super Theta disc every morning and night and getting incredible benefits from using it.

    What would be the added benefits to me of ordering Purification level 4 that I am not getting form Super Theta?

    Cheers,

    Dennis

    FROM BILL: You’d be missing most of the benefits of the program. That’s like saying that you are reading a really good book on history, so what would be the benefit of continuing your other history classes in your Hisory major in college. Or that you’re gettin greally good benefits from doing situps, so why should you do pushups and other exercises.

  316. Epiheart Says:

    FROM BILL: Go read some Ilya Prigogine. You are forgetting all the laws that govern complex systems. And your thought experiment is just your own imaginings. It proves nothing and (as I said) flies in the face of everything we;ve learned about the behavior of complex systems.

    Thank you. Namaste

  317. nick Says:

    Wow, I’m surprised you would have such a dislike towards metaphysics, as meditation is pretty much along the lines of it. I don’t know understand how metaphysics can be baloney, it is a science of something beyond the mind; i.e., consciousness, and universal laws.

    FROM BILL: And, most of it consists of suppositions that have no basis in fact. All phenomena discussed in metaphysics can be explained by non-metaphysical methods. Get a copy of my collection of articles, Oneness Isn’t Metphysical (call our office to get a copy). And, I don’t have a “dislike” of metaphysics any more than I have a dislike for unicorns. I just don’t think metaphysics actually explains anything, and it certainly doesn’t explain reality better than some other methods. You are just attached to it because you’ve read all the books and it all sounds very cool. Wouldn’t your rather find out what does explain things, if there is a better alternative?

  318. Santiago Says:

    FROM BILL: The wiring in your brain is not set. It is very plastic. These brain scans are symptoms, pictures of what is happening now, not causes. Perhaps I will post something about will power and self-regulation, as there is much new research about it (and this is a cornerstone of what I teach).

    Sounds good, any references you can recommend to check out ? Hope you’re feeling better … I never miss my flu shot

  319. Chris Says:

    Bill, a little bit OT. I’ve read a lot of what you’ve written about this idea of a “separate self”, but just can’t can’t seem to understand what you mean by it. Can you clarify it a little?

    FROM BILL: If you’ve read a lot of what I’ve written, then what am I going to say that will cause you to suddenly get it? You think you, Chris, are a separate unit, independent of everything else. However, you are part of the environment. The environment flows in and out of you, and what flows into you at one time was flowing out of something else. It’s all one thing/event, but it SEEMS like a world of separate things, separate events, and separate selves. The mind causes it to seem that way because the nature of the mind is to see things in terms of this and that, here and there, up and down–relationships, polarities. Polarities, though, are ways of thinking about the world, not the way the world really is. By seeing yourself, and the world, through the lens of your mind, which sees things in terms of dualities, it seems as if you are a separate and independent unit. You are, though, DEPENDENT on everything else, and everything else is dependent on you. Being separate is a way of thinking, and in the same way that your thoughts about Mexico are not Mexico, your thoughts of your separateness are not who you are. There IS a self, but it isn’t a SEPARATE self.

  320. Maya Says:

    Did you know that if a doctor surgically cuts a brain in half, that the person will effectively become two souls in one head? http://www.quora.com/Neuroscience-1/Does-performing-a-split-brain-surgery-create-a-new-conscious-entity

    Does that mean I am literally the physical tissue of my brain?

    FROM BILL: No, but it does mean that your organism experiences the environment through your brain.

  321. Maya Says:

    I recommend this short video of a split brain patient, and you can get a sense of how what we think is dependent on the physical process going on in our brains. At least that is my interpretation http://wn.com/split-brain do you agree with my interpretation of the video? Are my thoughts dependent on the physical brain?

    FROM BILL: Of course they are, just as stomach acid is dependent on the stomach and adrenaline is dependent on your adrenal glands. You brain takes in information through your senses, stores it (or tries to), sees patterns in it, and learns from it in order to better navigate your way through the world. A worm’s tiny nervous system does the same thing, though not as well. If the brain stops being able to do this, or begins to do it less well, your ability to navigate is reduced. Your brain takes in information and your organism responds to it.

  322. nick Says:

    If Oneness Isn’t Metaphysical, then wouldn’t that be disregarding mounds of information about universal laws, such as the Law of Attraction…in which you were apart of (in The Secret). Wouldn’t that be contradiction if you were to say that now it isn’t metaphysical and has no place in “the real world”?

    Also, I haven’t read all the books, and it does sound very cool as I have had experiences with the Law of Attraction in the past years…with vision boards; etc.

    FROM BILL: First of all, there isn’t “mounds of evidence” about the law of attaction. Actually, the so-called law of attraction is just the basic law of cause and effect, just as Isaac Newton described it. If you want a certain outcome, you have to do something to create it. This begins in your mind, just as your action to eat begins when you say, “Hey, I’m hungry,” and then begin to get ideas about how and where to get some food, feel motivated to get food, and begin to notice resources that would help you get food. If you then take action, the law of attraction operates and you eat. There is nothing metaphysical about it.

    Metaphysical means beyond the physical. People bring in something that they assume is “beyond” the physical when they can’t explain something with the physical. However, bringing in something magical (beyond the physical laws of cause and effect) doesn’t explain anything. It’s just like saying that fairies did it, or God did it. That’s not an explaination, it’s just putting off the question by creating a “something” that did it. Nothing that happens in meditation or any other “mystical” state requires something beyond physical laws for an explanation.

    People who feel the need to bring in something magical as an explanation generally have no understanding of the physical laws of cause and effect. In essence, they are uneducated about how things work in the universe. Just like people in the middle ages attributes disease to demons, they make something up to explain what they don’t know about. Rather than indulge in that sort of thing, why not get some books and educate yourself about how things really work. I highly recommend all the wonderful books Isaac Asimov (the science fiction writer) wrote about science (real science). They are written for the intelligent lay person, and are very highly respected and very well done.

  323. Santiago Says:

    Bill, a little bit OT. I’ve read a lot of what you’ve written about this idea of a “separate self”, but just can’t can’t seem to understand what you mean by it. Can you clarify it a little?

    It’s not as complex as it seems, just try to find a “thing” inside you that you would call “you” … there isn’t one, there’s just a transient stream of thought and sensation coming in and out of the void, arising and passing … but there’s not a solid, permanent, unchanging “something” inside you that can be called a “self”

    Just like when you see a car … if you take out the tires, split apart the engine, remove the seats, eventually you’ll see that there’s not a “thing” called a car. It’s a compound (the buddhist word would be aggregate) but it’s in essence empty, devoid of self … and so is everyone and everything, it’s all made of nothing, and this nothing is who you, me, and everyone and else really is (what buddhist call Buddha nature)

    FROM BILL: The self is an idea, your idea of yourself.

  324. Dave S Perkins Says:

    I recently happened upon EPSILON being listed alongside the Alpha, Gamma, Theta, Delta states that we all know and love through Holosync. I looked for further information on Epsilon and found absolutely NOTHING apart from the old Greek symbol and how it has been metamorphosized rotated into other uses throughout the ages and is now predominantly used in the sciences of maths and physics, and cosmological star names et al. Do you know of any all-emcompassing state of Epsilon or any scientific studies, my own interest stems from it simply sharing the same root wording as for Epilepsy (which my daughter has) and yes I know it shares the same root as Epilogue too and such inter-relational connections are simply my own brains imaginings (attempts to make sense of knowledge), just as Epileptics used to be considered as Seers and Psychics in medival times. I was thinking after what Epiheart posted that Epilepsy could be an uncontrolled manifestation of this potentially (yet currently scientifically unknown) all-encompassing state. Do you know of anyone researching the combinatorial effects of all these different states of oneness that Holosync helps control and induce? I know too little about Ken Wilber’s work to understand the quadrantization aspects though I assume it is computed in three dimensions to make one whole, is it simply the state that we all hope to achieve once we’ve completed the flowerering levels any information would be helpful, I have read across many of these areas such-as metaphysics and do generally concur that in societal terms the science approach is preferred whilst for many individuals the meta-physical aspects help us cope with stresses and overwhelm on a day to day basis such is our limited ability to encompass every minute detail that we’ve encountered in our lives.

    FROM BILL: It’s the state you experience when you hit your shin on the coffee table.

  325. michelle s Says:

    Can you please write another post so the posts/replies can be good reading again instead of people spouting off about whatever theory/idea/random thought comes out? (including my own)

    FROM BILL: I am working on one right now, but I have so many other commitments, and am also behind on several things due to having been away from work sick for nearly a month. It’s coming, though. And I agree about the quality of some of the comments.

  326. Cohen Says:

    Maya Says:
    May 14th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
    Did you know that if a doctor surgically cuts a brain in half, that the person will effectively become two souls in one head? http://www.quora.com/Neuroscience-1/Does-performing-a-split-brain-surgery-create-a-new-conscious-entity

    Does that mean I am literally the physical tissue of my brain?

    FROM BILL: No, but it does mean that your organism experiences the environment through your brain.

    Maya Says:
    May 14th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
    I recommend this short video of a split brain patient, and you can get a sense of how what we think is dependent on the physical process going on in our brains. At least that is my interpretation http://wn.com/split-brain do you agree with my interpretation of the video? Are my thoughts dependent on the physical brain?

    FROM BILL: Of course they are, just as stomach acid is dependent on the stomach and adrenaline is dependent on your adrenal glands. You brain takes in information through your senses, stores it (or tries to), sees patterns in it, and learns from it in order to better navigate your way through the world. A worm’s tiny nervous system does the same thing, though not as well. If the brain stops being able to do this, or begins to do it less well, your ability to navigate is reduced. Your brain takes in information and your organism responds to it.

    So if you agree that a person’s thoughts are dependent on the physical brain.

    What knowledge am I missing?
    or perhaps another question is
    Where do you disagree?

    1. the brain is made up of cells. do you agree?
    2. cells are dissipative systems (Ilya Prigogine) so order can increase by exporting greater entropy to the surrounding environment. do you agree?
    3. cells still follow the known laws of physics that define the cosmos. do you agree?
    4. data comes in through the senses, and your cells react to it. Agree?
    5. the cells arrange themselves in complex networks to predict incoming stimulus. Agree?
    6. overtime the brain cells model complex simulations of reality (maps of reality) in order to predict what might happen next. Agree?
    7. your life experience (the stimulus from your senses) strengthens or weakens your brain plasticity in different areas, so that you become better at what you do the most? agree?
    8. competing sequences of braincells that fire inhibit one another until one pattern is dominant. Agree?
    9. the dominant brain cell pattern is correlated with what your thinking. Agree?
    10. whatever your thinking or choosing from your free will is correlated with a pattern in your braincells, a pattern that is dependent on your brain. Agree?
    11. the pattern in your brain that is correlated with your thoughts is still made up of cells that follow the all the other physical rules of physical objects yes? agree?

    Which number or numbers do you disagree with?

    FROM BILL: And your conclusion is…? That you have no choice? Please, get a hobby, and also know that I’m not posting any more of this.

    How about this for logic: 2+2=4, right?
    There are four inches in a ruler? Also right, eh?
    Queen Elizabeth was a ruler. Yes?
    Queen Elizabeth was also a ship. Still with me?
    Ships sail on the sea. Yes, they do.
    Fish swim in the sea. Follow my logic?
    Fish have fins. (Disagree with anything yet?)
    The Finns fought the Russians (you may not know your hisotry, but they did).
    The Russians are Reds. Yes?
    And THAT’S why fire engines are red, because they’re always rushin’ around.
    (Courtesy of The Three Stooges, who were as masterful with their logic as you are.)

  327. Epiheart Says:

    Regarding Dave Perkins recent comment that mentioned my name. Epsilon is thought by some to be a brainwave pattern deeper than Delta. Unfortunately that usually means your brain is dead. Interestingly there is a company called the meditation solution and they claim (don’t believe something just because someone makes a claim obviously) that their lambda 2 product is so much higher than gamma that it produces a wave pattern in the brain.

    This is from their website, however out of fairness I will not include a link, you’ll have to do your own research to find them, and out of fairness again this is the blog for Bill Harris and Holosync is the best product.

    “Recently reported very high frequency brainwaves. Associated with wholeness and integration. Also associated with mystical experiences and out of body experiences. Interestingly these extremely high frequency brainwaves seem to ride on a very low frequency Epsilon wave. ie If you were to zoom out from the high frequency Lambda wave far enough you would see that it is riding on a larger very low frequency wave.” – the meditation solution

    FROM BILL: But what about super-lupsilon waves, as silly sloopsilon waves, and atomic poopsalot waves. What is riding along on THOSE?

  328. Epiheart Says:

    Corrected Edited Comment for Dave about his question.

    Regarding Dave Perkins recent comment that mentioned my name. Epsilon is thought by some to be a brainwave pattern deeper than Delta. Unfortunately that usually means your brain is dead. Interestingly there is a company called the meditation solution and they claim (don’t believe something just because someone makes a claim obviously) that their lambda 2 product is so much higher than gamma that it produces a wave pattern that rides on an Epsilon wave, in the brain.

    This is from their website, however out of fairness I will not include a link, you’ll have to do your own research to find them, and out of fairness again this is the blog for Bill Harris and Holosync is the best product.

    “Recently reported very high frequency brainwaves. Associated with wholeness and integration. Also associated with mystical experiences and out of body experiences. Interestingly these extremely high frequency brainwaves seem to ride on a very low frequency Epsilon wave. ie If you were to zoom out from the high frequency Lambda wave far enough you would see that it is riding on a larger very low frequency wave.” – the meditation solution

  329. Epiheart Says:

    Santiago, obviously your neurons vibrate, and they are sort of like networked together, but it’s not like a computer network, it’s more like an orchestra, of electric sound, you can say that the SELF is a song, the SONG of conciousness, your soul is music. Now obviously if your soul is this song your not going to find the self in the objective physical notion of your self as a physical object. OBVIOUSLY SANTIAGO, OBVIOUSLY you missed the self because you were looking for the wrong thing!

    It’s a song!
    s
    FROM BILL: Are you sure it’s not a TUNE? (The Michael Jackson Estate owns the right to it, by the way, along with the rights to Happy Birthday To You.)

  330. David Eagen Says:

    Wow Bill!

    You are an intelligent individual! Not only are that but my goodness you witty. The fins, the free market, the free people you have an answer to everything!
    I am sorry but I am not as enlightened as you so I must ask the ignorant question but what is money?
    I am not a free hippy or anything I believe that money is a great invention. Without money then we would still be in a batter system which would result in terrible transaction time! So what is money?
    BE CAREFUL IN YOUR ANSWER AS I KNOW YOUR HISTORY AND KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT! IF YOU WANT TO DO THIS ON A PUBLIC FORUM MAKE SURE TO PRINT EVERYTHING AND OWN IF YOU ARE WRONG. I WOULD LOVE TO PROVE MY ERRORS AS THAT IS HOW I LEARN!

     Davied

    FROM BILL: Money is a store of value, a measure of wealth, a means of payment, and a medium of exchange. Unfortuately, money today is mostly counterfeited by governments, which makes a mockery of the store of value part of the definition.

  331. Hat Says:

    This is the neuroscience of effort

    http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/05/the-neuroscience-of-effort/

    Some of my friends have taken Adderall and while it improves performance in the first couple hours, they turn into zombies later on in the day

    I think it’s because the Adderall has burned through all their dopamine upfront, or because their insula has become overactive later on.

    So does a person’s effort, motivation, interest, and creativity come from their internal representations beliefs values spacial metaphors that they choose?

    Or does a person’s effort motivation, interest and creativity come from the balance of their brain chemicals?

    Or is it some combination of both and if both can you explain in nuanced detail so this is perfectly clear.

    FROM BILL: Your ability to INTEND (and also your ability to DO) effects your brain chemicals. Yes, everything that happens in you is electrochemical. It isn’t CAUSED BY IT, however. Your ability to affect your own brain is called neuroplaticity. If I decide to focus on a beautiful woman I know, good-feeling chemicals are produced in my bran. If I focus on being locked up in an Iranian prison, bad-feeling chemicals are created in the brain. Neuroplasticity. Look it up.

    You people who think if something is happening in your brain it is causing everything else need a lesson in logic and cause and effect!

  332. Hat Says:

    Are your internal representations brainchemicals? If so what process internally is determining your selection. What I mean to ask is what is the physical thing that corresponse to your intention? How do my thoughts direct my brain’s chemicals?

    FROM BILL: Tired of this topic, folks. I don’t have time to teach you science from the ground up. Get to reading the basics about cause and effect and come back in a few years.

  333. Mal Says:

    FROM BILL: And your conclusion is…? That you have no choice? Please, get a hobby, and also know that I’m not posting any more of this.

    Please continue to answer all the questions people ask, even if they may not seem to be of value to you, your reply may be of value to someone else.

    I hear a lot of nonsense on the internet, and when you reply to nonsense you help clear away distortions so the younger minds here are not as vulnerable to them. So even if you think it’s blah, it might be titillating to someone with a younger mind, and if you engage with it, even to destroy it line by line, you are helping out tremendously.

    FROM BILL: It would be nice, if I had nothing else to do. Fully answering some of this questions would require teaching a course (or three) in several sciences, and one in logic. Some things I just don’t have the time to untangle and answer.

  334. Mal Says:

    Also some people, especially autistic people, are only able to speak in terms of very abstract concepts, so while something may be very very boring for you, it could be incredibly meaningful and important for a different kind of mind.

  335. Cepher Says:

    I’ve studied everything I can find about you on the internet. Your courses, your masters web series, your book, your recorded phone calls that you published to facebook.

    You don’t seem to have any of the answers I’m looking for, and so the message you broadcast is just a message.

    When I try to dig deeper into that message to learn something it’s like there is nothing deeper about that message.

    It’s not about getting you to post this on your blog.

    Your mind is being hacked, your narrative is extremely long and that’s why this is going to take a very long time.

    But eventually a tipping point will be reached, and you mind will flip, it’s happened to many others I’ve known, all it takes is time, time for the new dominant idea to reach the peak of your neocortex, then you too will be a determinist.

    It’s like each human being is a separate branch of the grand canyon, and your freewill is the river that is carving that grand canyon, and this person above is saying that your river of free will is really a physical stream based on physics and it’s not really free at all.

    So your reply is like shut the eff up I will bury you I will not post your replies, eff this boring stuff, etc…

    My only question is why? Why are you so afraid to admit that your precious guiding principle is in fact an illusion of physics, a rushing river in the canyon of you?

    FROM BILL: Give me a break. I can’t even read some of these posts through to the end without nodding out. Some of you people read one point of view, don’t know the context, don’t know all the other competing points of view, don’t know the history of the discussion (which in many cases has been going on since Aristotle, and then you want me to refute what you say. To do so in a way you could grasp would require my teaching you all of the above. Go learn it on your own. Stop reading a single book out of context and then grabbing on to a point of view without knowing anything else about the subject. Any one book can sound convincing if you haven’t heard all the other points of view from others looking at the same subject.

    Cypher (I prefer that spelling), you have no idea what my guiding principle is. And if you don’t like what I am saying, why in the hell are you hear? Go away. What is your attraction? Do you just like to argue without knowing what you are talking about. (Just answere my own question.) GO…AWAY.

  336. Kirk Says:

    There are countless programs, practices, books and products out there, and they all have glowing testemonials. Wondering if you have any advice on how to evaluate which are legit and which are scams. I don’t want to waste time and money on magical thinking. Thank you.

    FROM BILL: Learn what is known about how cause and effect works. MUCH is known about this, in physics, chemistry, psychology, etc., etc. Magical thinking is the idea that with you mind you can somehow change or suspend the physical laws of the universe. You can’t. If you know those laws, you can spot bullshit instantly.

  337. Terry Lyle Says:

    Bill,
    Hope you are well after your illness. I also hope that it’s nothing serious or long term. I admit, I have grown “attached” to you and I look forward to some new blog postings. This one’s gone on far too long. In fact, the “negative social mood” has been very evident in this long thread (my Dad would have called it a “pissing match”). I have to agree with Michelle. Let’s change the channel.

  338. joel Says:

    Hey Bill,

    Can we please have another post! its been too long and I am missing my favourite blog!

    :D :D :D

    Ps: I know that things are going down socially in the world, but I just want to say that my life is just getting better and better and better. WOW, the past 6 months have been amazing!

    Cheers Bill

    Joel

  339. Dennis in London Says:

    I totally agree with Terry Lyle.

    This blog is well past its sell by date.

    Although it was sometimes quite amusing to read the thoughts of some of the people with slender-grips-on-reality here – it has now become very old and tired.

    Also, when’s the next You Tube video?

  340. Ken Says:

    Hi Bill,

    I was reading a question up above about magical thinking and have a question. I read your mind chatter article years ago that asked if we believe in magic. I also saw you in the secret dvd years back. You later said that you didn’t know how that movie would be cut or the position they would be taking. Knowing what you know now, if they asked you to be in a sequel, would you do it?

    Also, do you have any sense if the other secret teachers actually believe in magical thinking or if their positions were similarly ‘cut’ to push the producers’ agenda?

    While I’m assuming you neither associate nor are friends with any of them, back when the movie was a hit, and Oprah and Larry King interviews were offered, did you have discussions with any of the cast about the message being pushed on the unwashed masses? (Buy one secret dvd, get two amulets free? lol)

    FROM BILL: I made a lot of money from The Secret, and I did it telling the truth about magical thinking. If only they hadn’t left 98% of what I said on the cutting room floor. As for what the others think, it’s a bit puzzling in some cases. Most of them DO believe in magical thinking, but they also believe in taking action. A lot of them have not thought through the entire subject very well, in my opinion. Magical thinking sounds so wonderful, doesn’t it? Unfortunately, all the discoveries of science contradict it.

  341. Cypher Says:

    The reason you teach magical thinking Bill, is because you don’t understand the laws of cause and effect.

    You think that your thinking is only a cause, and not an effect.

    Your thinking is caused, then it becomes an effect.

    Your thinking is a physiological reaction (an effect), that causes more physiological reactions (more effects.

    It’s so simple and true, the issue here is not that you are too stupid to understand it, it’s that you have some sort of mental blind spot.

    I don’t need 5 courses in logic and physics to understand what’s more likely to be true.

    FROM BILL: First of all, I know who you are. You are not fooling me.

    Everything is a cause AND an effect. Making up something I have not said and arguing against it is a common logical flaw called setting up a straw man. Calling names is another logical flaw called an ad hominem attack. Nice try. These are used by intellectually lazy people who cannot actually argue their point. And I do not teach magical thinking. Since you are not smart enough to post here, why don’t you go away and, join a cult, bother someone else. I will not be posting (or reading) anything of yours again. Bye!

  342. Hansel Says:

    Cypher just had the wrong tact. Obviously your an intelligent man. Won’t you spare a minute to answer a question that is similar but not the same as Cypher’s question, I actually rather just remembered it because of his post. I promise I am kind and considerate.

    It seems like there is a physiological process, that produces thoughts, and choices, and then these thoughts and choices produce more physiological effects. From your reply to Cypher it’s clear that you know that this is what’s going on.

    Clearly organisms make choices. I’m not disputing that fact.

    On the internet I have been hearing some people insist that the self is not real, and because of that the self can’t make choices, while insisting that consciousness is real and can make choices.

    Others insist that life makes choices.

    What is your view of self, and what is it that makes choices? How are choices is made.

    What kinds of beliefs can I adopt that will help create good decision making? How else can I improve my ability to make good choices?

    According to Spinoza, there is no such thing as freedom because, “That thing is called free, which exists solely by the necessity of its own nature, and of which the action is determined by itself alone. On the other hand, that thing is necessary, or rather constrained, which is determined by something external to itself to a fixed and definite method of existence or action.” In other words, the things that are beyond our control determine our lives and because we simply cannot possibly understand all the different causes, the thought that we are free is born out of ignorance.”

    So did holosync allow you to “understand ALL the different causes” of your choices.

    If not how can you know?
    If so what are all the causes of your choices?

    What is it inside me that physically changes when I make a choice? Are you aware of the choice mechanism in your self? Where is it located physically? What part of the brain?

    FROM BILL: First of all, “Cypher” is an online terrorist who has been banned by Centerpointe from various forums many times and who keeps reappearing with different names. Luckily I am about 40 times smarter than he is and can spot him a mile away.

    Many people misunderstand the Eastern view of the self, mostly because all their information is from books and what some other teacher said. It takes years of internal practice to find out for yourself what these teachers are talking about. The self is your idea of who you are. Like all ideas it cannot actually map the entire territory it represents. Who you really are includes, in addition to the organism itself, ALL the connection it has with everything else (which ultimately amounts to every damn thing in the universe). There is one self, in reality, and it’s the whole going on of it all.

    What the teachers really mean is that there is no self SEPARATE from the whole (ie, there is no SEPARATE self). THAT is the illusion. Everything and every person exists in the context of the whole. Everything exists WITH its environment, not in opposition to it or separate from it. Our mind creates an illusion that there are separate things and separate events, but these are ideas about reality, not the actual reality. And, though untrue, this illusion of separate stuff is useful–without it we wouldn’t survive.

    When you make a choice you do it in the context of your environment, based on the “experience” stored in your nervous system. In each situation there is a bell curve of options, some more likely to be chosen, some less likely. Still, one IS chosen (again, based on a somewhat flawed map of experiences in your brain as it respondes to the sensory input of the current experience). Because the choice made is governed by probablities, as in all complex systems (see my posts about chaos theory and complex, self-organizing systems), what will happen is NOT predetermined, and is a choice. It is a choice made in the context of all your relationships and connections to everything else, however (with an emphasis on what is in range of your senses or was in range when it was stored in your brain).

  343. Placea Says:

    What is consciousness? How do our brains make consciousness? Jean-Paul Sartre says that “Choice and consciousness are one and the same thing” Consciousness can do so much, it can create four things 1 how we feel, 2 what situations we create or attract, 3 what people we attract or are attracted to, 4 what meanings we attach to whatever is happening. That is so powerful, when I think of how I want to attract a situation where I am doing work that others pay me trillions of pounds in gold for, that’s the power of consciousness yes? My consciousness can change my physical body, make me heal faster, regrow limbs, walk after a doctor said it would never happen, right? I can clean my blood stream with consciousness right? So I know that consciousness-choice can effect the body, but what causes it? My consciousness is part of the chain of cause and effect, because you said everything is both cause and effect. So are each of the thoughts in my head a different stage of cause and effect, how am I directing them physicallY? How am I physically directing my thoughts with my consciousness? Conciousness is a physical thing inside my brain too right? It has a cause and an effect, and maybe many stages of cause and effect as I consider all my different options, and something about me is selecting something, what is it?

  344. Epiheart Says:

    “When you make a choice you do it in the context of your environment, based on the “experience” stored in your nervous system. In each situation there is a bell curve of options, some more likely to be chosen, some less likely. Still, one IS chosen (again, based on a somewhat flawed map of experiences in your brain as it respondes to the sensory input of the current experience). Because the choice made is governed by probablities, as in all complex systems (see my posts about chaos theory and complex, self-organizing systems), what will happen is NOT predetermined, and is a choice. It is a choice made in the context of all your relationships and connections to everything else, however (with an emphasis on what is in range of your senses or was in range when it was stored in your brain).” quote from Bill Harris

    When I think of myself as the separate identity, is my choice something that I am really in control of? Do I myself, I mean my idea of myself, do I actually have real control here? I think the answer must be yes. Its yes right? I feel great fear, terror almost at the very idea that I am not in control. I won’t surrender to it. I won’t hide my fear either, this is perfectly rational yes? Of course I am in control of my life. My brain is not deciding my choice for me, I’m the one who is deciding. It is possible, you say it, chaos theory and probability.. Why do I have so much fear and uncertainty?

    FROM BILL: As I said, your choices are dictated by your environment and your past experiences stored (inaccurately) in your nervous system. Still, in each moment there are, literally, and infinite number of choices. These choice always exist, however, in the context of your environment (which is ultimately everything, but what is closest to your senses has more effect). There is no way to get away from the CONTEXT in which your organism exists.

  345. Epiheart Says:

    Bill I am afraid because I think their might be no one in me. I think the “no-self” groups that I despised so much might have been right all along. What is your take? Ego is an idea, so I’m not real right? it doesn’t feel real anymore, it feels fake. how could I control my life? I am just an idea

    FROM BILL: You have an idea of who you are. It is a real idea. But an idea is not the same as what it represents. That’s all you hvae to know–ideas are useful, but they are ABOUT reality. A map of the world is not the world, and your map of yourself isn’t yourself. There is nothing dire about this. Your idea of yourself is quite useful. Just see it for what it is and don’t mistake it for the real thing.

  346. Epiheart Says:

    Is my idea of myself a living idea or a dead idea? Can I the separate self trigger actual cause and effect, or is that a mistaken notion?

    FROM BILL: Your question makes no sense. It’s like asking if this map of California is a living map or a dead map.

  347. Herkin Says:

    “When you make a choice you do it in the context of your environment, based on the “experience” stored in your nervous system.”

    “In each situation there is a bell curve of options, some more likely to be chosen, some less likely.”

    “Still, one IS chosen (again, based on a somewhat flawed map of experiences in your brain as it respondes to the sensory input of the current experience).”

    “Because the choice made is governed by probablities, as in all complex systems (see my posts about chaos theory and complex, self-organizing systems), what will happen is NOT predetermined, and is a choice.”

    “It is a choice made in the context of all your relationships and connections to everything else, however (with an emphasis on what is in range of your senses or was in range when it was stored in your brain).”

    Based on what you wrote, would you say that it is wrong to think of making a choice as witnessing a sort of mental rolling of the dice, with the odds of the dice influenced by a combination of past experiences, present sensory data, and present data in your mind?

    This might mean that with new data the odds of what I might choose change automatically, while the choice mechanism itself may be like a roll of the dice in my brain, with the results of the die roll becoming part of the data that influences the odds for future results.

    This is a lot to think about.

    FROM BILL: There’s a bell curve of possible choices in each moment, with those that are more likely in the middle, and those that are less likely on the edges.

    But why not just live and forget about all this mental bullshit? It’s interesting to mull these ideas over, but it doesn’t matter, really. Just wake up in the morning, pee, brush your teach, wash, eat, and go about your business. Have fun, help people, create something, entertain yourself. Live. None of this head stuff if worthwhile except for entertainment, or if it helps you do those things I just listed better. If you are using it as a source of feeling crappy, why bother?

  348. Yimbo Says:

    FROM BILL: “As I said, your choices are dictated by your environment and your past experiences stored (inaccurately) in your nervous system.”

    FROM BILL: “These choice(s) always exist, however, in the context of your environment (which is ultimately everything, but what is closest to your senses has more effect).”

    FROM BILL: “There is no way to get away from the CONTEXT in which your organism exists.”

    FROM YIMBO: I bet that there are ‘some’ if not also ‘many’ deterministic philosophers, neuroscientist’s, and genius app developers who might agree with all of these statements. But my favorite statement is the following statement. Which is not in the original order. When I read this, I had the idea that your “bell curve” of “infinite number of choices” had become perhaps at least a modality some visualize front and center, if not perhaps also a core component of some map of reality. This modality perhaps for some people is the key visual to being liberated from the haunting fears of conditioned expectations. It is perhaps the closest any of us will get to the door handle of choice.

    “FROM BILL: Still, in each moment there are, literally, and infinite number of choices.”

    FROM BILL: The bell curve of choices is straight from Nobel Prize-winner Ilya Prigogine and his work on complex, self-organizing systems.

  349. Yimbo Says:

    FROM BILL: There’s a bell curve of possible choices in each moment, with those that are more likely in the middle, and those that are less likely on the edges.

    I see, the things that are more likely are in the middle, and the things that are less likely are on the edges. Good visual. So if I want something that right now seems less likely, on the edge, to be more likely, in the middle, can I just visualize myself turning so that I am facing what used to be less likely? Will that work?

    FROM BILL: You better go look up bell curve on Wikipedia. It has nothing to do with the probability of you getting what you want. Getting what you want has to do what cause and effect and what you DO to get it. The bell curve is about multi-multi-multi-variable complex systems, like a school of fish and what they are likely to do, or an anthill, or New York City.

  350. Yimbo Says:

    FROM BILL: There’s a bell curve of possible choices in each moment, with those that are more likely in the middle, and those that are less likely on the edges.

    Can I move things from the middle to the edge, and move things from the edge to the middle? Can I change the bell curve of possible choices?

    FROM BILL: Already answered this.

  351. Vicki Scher Says:

    Bill,

    Most people in the world are very unhappy and do not know why — and for most of them–they are unwilling to seek truth and then do what truth requires of them to have the very benefits they long for.

    There is One Creator, One Body, One Spirit, One Hope, One Calling,
    One Baptism and One Faith.

    The world offers many alternatives to the One Truth. These alternative beliefs, life styles, and the personal choices we all make rob us of the tremendous happiness, understanding and the future we were all meant to experience.

    The One Way is here and available to all who seek truth and are willing to do their part.

    FROM BILL: What a relief to know that you have figured all of this out.

  352. Jeremy Says:

    Bill,
    I have been trying to find a way to talk to you for a long time now, a response from you written to me would definitely be one of those things I will remember for the rest of my days. This blog was a very resourceful one. I have received a great amount of help in developing, and I must give most of the credit to your blogs and holosync. I have currently went from probably the greatest positive shift, I have ever had to the worst this past year. I found my fiance wasn’t faithful. My truck burnt up (yes literally). My finances went downhill. I also developed many mental blocks and caused a lot of damage. I have seen a great shift in things here lately and noticed that life is about to go back to being positive. I have even been re-owning shadows and trying to discover myself better. I am stuck in one part of life though, I try to feel happier and more successful, yet I am so deeply consumed with wanting. my heart longs for love and a family and for many small things to end. I am afraid that even when I focus, I am still focused on wanting and so I feel like that is the only result I will receive out of life. Wanting and having are very different things. Now with the woman who I was with. I realize she is her own person and has her own wants and beliefs, and what happened often times bothers me greatly. I suffer an emotional numbness. I find that it is very difficult to experience my emotions unless they involve her, or our daughter. I know that it would be better to start dating others because she has made it clear that she doesn’t want to date me… many times. but I choose to be attached to her internally and many hours of meditation with holosync later, I am still having trouble choosing not to be attached to her, and move on to a more positive life. How can I re-own my emotions and choice over what I choose to be attached to? and what disfunctional qualities do you think are causing me to be such so wanting and dreamfilled? Thanks Bill, Its an honor!

    FROM BILL: What goes between wanting and having is acting. This isn’t magic, where you intend something and it happens. You have only so much control over things in this world. Decide what you want, and go after it. Act purposefully. Sometimes, though, intead of getting what you want, you learn something. You either get what you want, or you get wiser (unless you disregard the feedback the experience provides).

    Holosync and what I teach isn’t about making what happens in your life more positive. It’s about you being more aware of how you create the parts of life you have some choice about (instead of creating them unconsciously), and about knowing which parts of life you have no control over. Expecting life to be all positive is naive. Life is full of problems, including the fact that other people will often NOT do what you would like them to do (your ex, for instance). We can influence other people, to a degree, but we cannot control them.

    The human condition is such that we often find ourselves in a bind. You became attached to a woman, who then decided she didn’t want to be with you. When you are attached, you are subject to suffering, and that’s what happened. If you didn’t care about her, you couldn’t care if she didn’t want to be with you. On the other hand, if you don’t become attached, life is dry and meaningless. So you’re stuck. No matter what you do, life will hand you some sort of suffering. Not all the time, of course, but there is no way to get rid of the basic suffering inherent in being human.

    When you have a disappointment like this, you have to grieve. Here are the “stages of grief”:

    1.Denial — “I feel fine.”; “This can’t be happening, not to me.”
    Denial is usually only a temporary defense for the individual. Denial can be conscious or unconscious refusal to accept facts, information, or the reality of the situation. Denial is a defense mechanism and some people can become locked in this stage.

    2.Anger — “Why me? It’s not fair!”; “How can this happen to me?”; ‘”Who is to blame?”

    Once in the second stage, the individual recognizes that denial cannot continue. Because of anger, the person is very difficult to care for due to misplaced feelings of rage and envy. Anger can manifest itself in different ways. People can be angry with themselves, or with others, and especially those who are close to them. It is important to remain detached and nonjudgmental when dealing with a person experiencing anger from grief.

    3.Bargaining — “I’ll do anything to repair this.”; “I will give my life savings if…”

    The third stage involves the hope that the individual can do something about the situation. The negotiation may involve a second chance in exchange for a reformed lifestyle. People may seek a compromise. For example “Can we still be friends?..” when facing a break-up. Bargaining rarely provides a sustainable solution.

    4.Depression — “I’m so sad, why bother with anything?; “I miss my loved one, why go on?”

    During the fourth stage, the person begins to understand the reality of the situation. Because of this, the individual may become silent, refuse visitors and spend much of the time crying and grieving. This process allows the person to disconnect from things of love and affection. It is an important time for grieving that must be processed. Depression could be referred to as the dress rehearsal for the ‘aftermath’. It is a kind of acceptance with emotional attachment. It’s natural to feel sadness, regret, fear, and uncertainty when going through this stage. Feeling those emotions shows that the person has begun to accept the situation.

    5.Acceptance — “It’s going to be okay.”; “I can’t fight it, I may as well move on.”

    In this last stage, individuals begin to come to terms with the reality of their situation.

  353. Tempest Says:

    http://news.wustl.edu/news/Pages/24043.aspx

    The monkey’s neural activity helped the researchers predict how each of the monkey’s were going to decide how to approach solving a problem.

    So this means that neural activity precedes a decision. It means that the physical activity of neurons are causing choices.

    Not correlation, causation.

  354. Tempest Says:

    Choice is a learned strategy, a predictable sequence captured in brain imagining.

    FROM BILL: Choice is a result of awareness, which is not learned.

  355. Luke Says:

    Regarding that article Tempest

    http://news.wustl.edu/news/Pages/24043.aspx

    I recall another article where Deepak Chopra says that we are not our brains, that there is a correlation between thinking and neural activity, but that is not evidence of causation. He insists that the neural activity is recording our thinking and memories, not creating our thinking.

    I wonder if this could help Deepak Chopra realize that “Choice is a predictable neural strategy” That brain activity is not just recording memories, and being effected by thoughts, but that brain activity is preceding and causing our thoughts, actions, and choices. It really does really seem like we are “at least” our brains, although we don’t have to claim that we are “just” our brains.

    After watching and reading this article, for the “AI philosophy group” I added: For machines that think like apes, and men, the moral strategy, is the strategy that works. The mechanical pattern that produces superior results, or the most efficient results in the context of a competition for resources.

    FROM BILL: You and Deepak should go in a room together and argue it out. While you’re doing that I’ll be doing something interesting.

  356. Jane Says:

    “Tell this to Deepak Chopra”
    “Or i guess this is relevant for the point that memories are written using neural networking….”
    http://mindcomputers.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/reconstructing-visual-experiences-from-brain-activity-evoked-by-natural-movies/
    <3 the post about Monkey's neural activity Tempest!

  357. Chili Says:

    Did you know that with a brainscan another person can know what I am going to decide 6 seconds before I make my decision?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6S9OidmNZM&feature=player_embedded

    Is neuroscience boring to you?

  358. m Says:

    hi,

    i saw another company omharmonic also produce the similar sound track whcih they claimed is 50 years tech in future..

    are these 2 using the same tech?
    thanks

    FROM BILL: Ha ha. Not a chance. 50 years in the future. Does that sound like hype?

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