Comments on: The Strategist–the highest expression of the individual “me” http://www.centerpointe.com/blog/2008/03/24/the-strategist-the-highest-expression-of-the-individual-me/ Musings from the mind of Bill Harris. Creator of Holosync, founder & director of Centerpointe Research Institute, and a featured teacher in The Secret, Bill has taught hundreds of thousands of people how to harness The Law of Attraction to make lasting improvements in their lives. Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:16:44 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Jane Clifford http://www.centerpointe.com/blog/2008/03/24/the-strategist-the-highest-expression-of-the-individual-me/comment-page-1/#comment-5181 Jane Clifford Sun, 27 Apr 2008 10:08:30 +0000 http://www.centerpointe.com/blog/2008/03/24/the-strategist-the-highest-expression-of-the-individual-me/#comment-5181 Hello to all out there! I agree with the view that all this intellectualisation of the meditative process & heirarchical system of labelling is over complicated and feeds the ego in a counter productive way. Wisdom can not be taught with words it has to be experienced directly and meditation programs can help us acheive a quiet state in which we can access such wisdom.Over intellectualistaion is not helpfull.Simple is best. From Bill: If wisdom cannot be taught in words, why are you reading this blog? Hello to all out there! I agree with the view that all this intellectualisation of the meditative process & heirarchical system of labelling is over complicated and feeds the ego in a counter productive way. Wisdom can not be taught with words it has to be experienced directly and meditation programs can help us acheive a quiet state in which we can access such wisdom.Over intellectualistaion is not helpfull.Simple is best.

From Bill: If wisdom cannot be taught in words, why are you reading this blog?

]]> By: Mila http://www.centerpointe.com/blog/2008/03/24/the-strategist-the-highest-expression-of-the-individual-me/comment-page-1/#comment-5113 Mila Thu, 10 Apr 2008 06:47:51 +0000 http://www.centerpointe.com/blog/2008/03/24/the-strategist-the-highest-expression-of-the-individual-me/#comment-5113 Dear Bill, Thank you for your posts on human development, which I find really interesting. I feel it would be helpful if you could give some concrete examples for the higher stages, such as 'individualist' and the 'strategist'. Like, for example, the examples you gave about children (with the task of mixing different colors or the hypothetical question about being mocked because of the big nose). Could you please compare in the same way with the help of the concrete examples the types of behaviors the strategist and the individualist could display in certain situations, to make clearer what is the difference between these two stages of development. Thank you in advance. Dear Bill,

Thank you for your posts on human development, which I find really interesting. I feel it would be helpful if you could give some concrete examples for the higher stages, such as ‘individualist’ and the ’strategist’. Like, for example, the examples you gave about children (with the task of mixing different colors or the hypothetical question about being mocked because of the big nose). Could you please compare in the same way with the help of the concrete examples the types of behaviors the strategist and the individualist could display in certain situations, to make clearer what is the difference between these two stages of development. Thank you in advance.

]]> By: Raymond Leonard Brown http://www.centerpointe.com/blog/2008/03/24/the-strategist-the-highest-expression-of-the-individual-me/comment-page-1/#comment-5097 Raymond Leonard Brown Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:18:55 +0000 http://www.centerpointe.com/blog/2008/03/24/the-strategist-the-highest-expression-of-the-individual-me/#comment-5097 Hello again Bill and indeed all, I have just read quite a number of replies to your post on the Alpha Master Class and yes it sounds fantastic, but how many people can still afford to join such a thing. I suppose I am fortunate in some ways, to have reached my time in life and still have so many interests that keep me going, so for absolutley nothing at all may I suggest to anyone who is interested if you want to see yourself in a totally different light, get involved in Astral Projection, contrary to a lot of highly educated people's views it is possible, I am living proof of that, you will be truly amazed at what you can learn and it doesn't cost 400+ dollars to get a very good instructional ebook on it and although I use it in spiritualsim, you don't really have to have any religion at all to use it. Cheers RLB Hello again Bill and indeed all, I have just read quite a number of replies to your post on the Alpha Master Class and yes it sounds fantastic, but how many people can still afford to join such a thing. I suppose I am fortunate in some ways, to have reached my time in life and still have so many interests that keep me going, so for absolutley nothing at all may I suggest to anyone who is interested if you want to see yourself in a totally different light, get involved in Astral Projection, contrary to a lot of highly educated people’s views it is possible, I am living proof of that, you will be truly amazed at what you can learn and it doesn’t cost 400+ dollars to get a very good instructional ebook on it and although I use it in spiritualsim, you don’t really have to have any religion at all to use it. Cheers RLB

]]> By: aymond Leonard Brown http://www.centerpointe.com/blog/2008/03/24/the-strategist-the-highest-expression-of-the-individual-me/comment-page-1/#comment-5096 aymond Leonard Brown Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:58:43 +0000 http://www.centerpointe.com/blog/2008/03/24/the-strategist-the-highest-expression-of-the-individual-me/#comment-5096 Hello Bill, I can now I suppose say that. I am probably putting this post in totally the wrong place, but hope it gives you an idea of how I feel. I must first of all thank you most sincerely for the Demo Disk, which unknown to me until this morning had been left with a neighbour, who passed it accross. I have listened to it seven times now and each time I felt excatly the same way, more relaxed than I have been able to feel for some time and a tingling sensation in my arms and hands, which I used to have many moons ago, when meditating, but since being passed the sell by date, but only a sprightly 76 years, that seemed to have stopped, until today and if I am understanding your comments correctly the Demo Disk is not as strong as will be those I have now ordered, so I am looking forward to receiving them and starting on your programme. Finally I have to say what a shame that you do not have those Rest Centres that are spoken about on your site in the U.K. May I once again thank you for sending me the Demo and for whatever time I have left on this plane, I sincerely hope that your programme helps me with my quest in Meditating and Spiritual Healing. I am most grateful, Yours Raymond Leonard Brown Hello Bill, I can now I suppose say that. I am probably putting this post in totally the wrong place, but hope it gives you an idea of how I feel. I must first of all thank you most sincerely for the Demo Disk, which unknown to me until this morning had been left with a neighbour, who passed it accross.
I have listened to it seven times now and each time I felt excatly the same way, more relaxed than I have been able to feel for some time and a tingling sensation in my arms and hands, which I used to have many moons ago, when meditating, but since being passed the sell by date, but only a sprightly 76 years, that seemed to have stopped, until today and if I am understanding your comments correctly the Demo Disk is not as strong as will be those I have now ordered, so I am looking forward to receiving them and starting on your programme. Finally I have to say what a shame that you do not have those Rest Centres that are spoken about on your site in the U.K. May I once again thank you for sending me the Demo and for whatever time I have left on this plane, I sincerely hope that your programme helps me with my quest in Meditating and Spiritual Healing. I am most grateful, Yours Raymond Leonard Brown

]]> By: Santiago http://www.centerpointe.com/blog/2008/03/24/the-strategist-the-highest-expression-of-the-individual-me/comment-page-1/#comment-5091 Santiago Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:12:58 +0000 http://www.centerpointe.com/blog/2008/03/24/the-strategist-the-highest-expression-of-the-individual-me/#comment-5091 Beautiful post as always Bill. I see many fellow blog readers (and me also) trying to guess what stage they are at. For instance I thought I was an Individualist. Then I remembered that one of the main premises about this developmental levels theory is that you are ALWAYS immersed in a stage, therefor you CAN NOT SEE IT. So how can I say that I am an individualist if I CAN'T SEE THAT INDIVIDUALIST I think I am because I am immersed on it ? So then I also remembered that this is still a rationalization of reality, IT IS A MAP, I does not represent ultimate truth. Of course it is an amazingly constructed map, it's very useful and is much more accurate than previous maps, but it is not the territory. When Newton developed classic physics, it was a new and more resourceful map of reality, but eastern science committed the mistake to believe it fully represented reality, scientists where IMMERSED on it. Then relativity and quantum physics came by and showed that it wasn't the ultimate truth. So this stages theory is NOT the ultimate truth, it is JUST A TOOL we use to understand ourselves and the world, it is an APPROXIMATION of reality. Both ancient mystics and modern physicists now that truth can not be described in words, but we try to do our best. So if you get anxious about what stage you are in and how to get to the next one, my advice is (and I give this advice to myself as well), DON'T TRY SO HARD TO FIGURE WHERE YOU ARE, instead embrace and love your stage even if you don't know which one it is, and that will propel you to the next one, otherwise you are just creating resistance and paradoxically that will keep you from moving forward. I hope this makes sense, once again I thank Bill for giving us all these wonderful tools, replies are more than welcome from fellow blog readers, love to all. Santiago Beautiful post as always Bill.

I see many fellow blog readers (and me also) trying to guess what stage they are at. For instance I thought I was an Individualist.

Then I remembered that one of the main premises about this developmental levels theory is that you are ALWAYS immersed in a stage, therefor you CAN NOT SEE IT. So how can I say that I am an individualist if I CAN’T SEE THAT INDIVIDUALIST I think I am because I am immersed on it ?

So then I also remembered that this is still a rationalization of reality, IT IS A MAP, I does not represent ultimate truth. Of course it is an amazingly constructed map, it’s very useful and is much more accurate than previous maps, but it is not the territory. When Newton developed classic physics, it was a new and more resourceful map of reality, but eastern science committed the mistake to believe it fully represented reality, scientists where IMMERSED on it. Then relativity and quantum physics came by and showed that it wasn’t the ultimate truth.

So this stages theory is NOT the ultimate truth, it is JUST A TOOL we use to understand ourselves and the world, it is an APPROXIMATION of reality. Both ancient mystics and modern physicists now that truth can not be described in words, but we try to do our best.

So if you get anxious about what stage you are in and how to get to the next one, my advice is (and I give this advice to myself as well), DON’T TRY SO HARD TO FIGURE WHERE YOU ARE, instead embrace and love your stage even if you don’t know which one it is, and that will propel you to the next one, otherwise you are just creating resistance and paradoxically that will keep you from moving forward.

I hope this makes sense, once again I thank Bill for giving us all these wonderful tools, replies are more than welcome from fellow blog readers, love to all.

Santiago

]]> By: Karen H http://www.centerpointe.com/blog/2008/03/24/the-strategist-the-highest-expression-of-the-individual-me/comment-page-1/#comment-5090 Karen H Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:33:04 +0000 http://www.centerpointe.com/blog/2008/03/24/the-strategist-the-highest-expression-of-the-individual-me/#comment-5090 Hello, I am new to hoylsinc family having only been listening for about 2 1/2 months so I am in no way any kind of expert. But I have been reading and rereading the postings on this blog and I must say I am with Janice Chronis. I feel that I must also add that the defining and redifining of the human psyche and placing label after label on ourselves is comming off as a little elietist. The "profuse verbosness" is just more clutter in an already over cluttered mind. Now I understand that Bill is only trying to help us understand our progress with the use of holysinc but by providing these labels are we simply providing pedistals for ourselves so that we can look down on others that have not (in our mind)achieved equal development? Once again I am in no way an expert but this dosnt sound like the evolution of the mind that I came here to find. Perhaps I am simply content with the knoweldge that I am growing and becoming more aware of myself and the world around me. Perhaps labels just are not my thing:^)! Respectfull yours Karen Hello, I am new to hoylsinc family having only been listening for about 2 1/2 months so I am in no way any kind of expert. But I have been reading and rereading the postings on this blog and I must say I am with Janice Chronis. I feel that I must also add that the defining and redifining of the human psyche and placing label after label on ourselves is comming off as a little elietist. The “profuse verbosness” is just more clutter in an already over cluttered mind.
Now I understand that Bill is only trying to help us understand our progress with the use of holysinc but by providing these labels are we simply providing pedistals for ourselves so that we can look down on others that have not (in our mind)achieved equal development? Once again I am in no way an expert but this dosnt sound like the evolution of the mind that I came here to find.
Perhaps I am simply content with the knoweldge that I am growing and becoming more aware of myself and the world around me. Perhaps labels just are not my thing:^)!
Respectfull yours
Karen

]]> By: Robert Foerster http://www.centerpointe.com/blog/2008/03/24/the-strategist-the-highest-expression-of-the-individual-me/comment-page-1/#comment-5089 Robert Foerster Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:37:00 +0000 http://www.centerpointe.com/blog/2008/03/24/the-strategist-the-highest-expression-of-the-individual-me/#comment-5089 I would say not to try to pick the level you are at. I'm not expert, but on anything with this kind of "tracking" I would fear we'd artificially pick one...either negatively or positively...but still with our inherent bias as people. ;) Probably best to speak with others that understand this a bit, and ask them as well...then take what you think from your own thoughts, and their input, and come to a close "hit" to the level you are at. I'm guessing that some people may exhibit characteristics of more than one "level" at a given time? I would say not to try to pick the level you are at. I’m not expert, but on anything with this kind of “tracking” I would fear we’d artificially pick one…either negatively or positively…but still with our inherent bias as people. ;)

Probably best to speak with others that understand this a bit, and ask them as well…then take what you think from your own thoughts, and their input, and come to a close “hit” to the level you are at.

I’m guessing that some people may exhibit characteristics of more than one “level” at a given time?

]]> By: julia http://www.centerpointe.com/blog/2008/03/24/the-strategist-the-highest-expression-of-the-individual-me/comment-page-1/#comment-5087 julia Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:30:43 +0000 http://www.centerpointe.com/blog/2008/03/24/the-strategist-the-highest-expression-of-the-individual-me/#comment-5087 Bill, you've written that it is very difficult for most people to determine which developmental level they are at. Do people generally believe they are at a lower or a higher level than they actually are? Bill, you’ve written that it is very difficult for most people to determine which developmental level they are at. Do people generally believe they are at a lower or a higher level than they actually are?

]]> By: Jeff Harrison http://www.centerpointe.com/blog/2008/03/24/the-strategist-the-highest-expression-of-the-individual-me/comment-page-1/#comment-5085 Jeff Harrison Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:35:12 +0000 http://www.centerpointe.com/blog/2008/03/24/the-strategist-the-highest-expression-of-the-individual-me/#comment-5085 Dear Bill, A very Big Heart thank you for allowing yours to share with ours. Off topic (it's been a great learning), how does the Alpha Master Class experience compare to Genpo's Big Mind/Big Heart event in LA? Apples and oranges? LA's Big Mind/Big Heart event was, and thankfully is and will be, such an "eye" opening experience. Excelsior! and all that. Overflowingly yours, Jeff Dear Bill,
A very Big Heart thank you for allowing yours to share with ours.

Off topic (it’s been a great learning), how does the Alpha Master Class experience compare to Genpo’s Big Mind/Big Heart event in LA? Apples and oranges? LA’s Big Mind/Big Heart event was, and thankfully is and will be, such an “eye” opening experience. Excelsior! and all that.
Overflowingly yours,
Jeff

]]> By: Valoria http://www.centerpointe.com/blog/2008/03/24/the-strategist-the-highest-expression-of-the-individual-me/comment-page-1/#comment-5084 Valoria Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:09:48 +0000 http://www.centerpointe.com/blog/2008/03/24/the-strategist-the-highest-expression-of-the-individual-me/#comment-5084 Bill, Thank you for this series outlining ego development. I find myself fitting most closely with the Strategist description. And I have a question about compatibility between people based on their cognitive levels. I am deeply affected right now by acknowledgment of the "central flaw" of my being "impatient with other less willing to grow." This need to "have others become the most they can be" (Cook-Grueter) seems to interfere with my sustaining long-term romantic relationships. I've experienced a pattern of anxiety that my partner has to be growth-oriented and increasingly self-aware in similar ways to me (or at least not be depressed and struggling) in order to sustain connection and resonance over the long term. Unfortunately for all, I have tried to heal/fix/restore the person I love even if my "curriculum" not a fit for them. When they resist, I experience myself as in danger of losing the relationship, thinking that I will grow further out of resonance and developmental compatibility with them if I fail to help them. I feel burdened and sad, and of course I lose what I wanted to hang on to either way. In a very recent relationship, my very beloved and loving partner broke it off, saying that after a year and a half he didn't understand me or "get" the therapy and self-actualization modalities that are so important to me, and was sick to death of me trying to be his therapist. This article was very timely in providing me with some understanding of what happened there as far as my contribution. My question (to myself and others) then is, can a person at the Strategist level be compatible long term only with someone else at the Strategist level? Will I understand or be understood by any other? Could a strategist ever learn to be content with someone at a different level? Will all that become a non-issue if I develop to the next unitive level? Bill,
Thank you for this series outlining ego development. I find myself fitting most closely with the Strategist description. And I have a question about compatibility between people based on their cognitive levels.

I am deeply affected right now by acknowledgment of the “central flaw” of my being “impatient with other less willing to grow.” This need to “have others become the most they can be” (Cook-Grueter) seems to interfere with my sustaining long-term romantic relationships. I’ve experienced a pattern of anxiety that my partner has to be growth-oriented and increasingly self-aware in similar ways to me (or at least not be depressed and struggling) in order to sustain connection and resonance over the long term. Unfortunately for all, I have tried to heal/fix/restore the person I love even if my “curriculum” not a fit for them. When they resist, I experience myself as in danger of losing the relationship, thinking that I will grow further out of resonance and developmental compatibility with them if I fail to help them. I feel burdened and sad, and of course I lose what I wanted to hang on to either way.

In a very recent relationship, my very beloved and loving partner broke it off, saying that after a year and a half he didn’t understand me or “get” the therapy and self-actualization modalities that are so important to me, and was sick to death of me trying to be his therapist. This article was very timely in providing me with some understanding of what happened there as far as my contribution.

My question (to myself and others) then is, can a person at the Strategist level be compatible long term only with someone else at the Strategist level? Will I understand or be understood by any other? Could a strategist ever learn to be content with someone at a different level? Will all that become a non-issue if I develop to the next unitive level?

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