How you make sense of your world…more secrets of living, part 3

This is the third post in a series about cognitive development based primarily on the work of the legendary Jean Piaget, but also drawing on other developmental theorists.

First, before we jump into this, why should you care about human development? How will knowing this benefit you?

First, cognitive development underlies development in nearly every other area of your life. And, since where you are in the developmental process has a huge affect on the way you make sense of the world, and to a great degree determines your ability to successfully navigate your life, understanding development can greatly help you take charge of your life. If for some reason you aren’t creating what you want in life — enough money, enough friends, enough peace of mind, enough fulfillment — it’s very likely that where you are developmentally has something to do with it.

So far we’ve looked at Piaget’s first three levels, sensorimotor, preoperational, and concrete operational. In this post we’ll look at Piaget’s highest level, formal operational. Then, we’ll move on to higher levels as identified by other researchers.

You might want to read parts one and two first in order to better understand the information in this post.

So, we’ve followed the development of cognitive abilities from the sensorimotor stage, where the world is understood entirely through the senses and through motor functions (without any real emotional involvement or mental involvement); to the preoperational stage, where the child learns to understand the world through a rudimentary use of symbols and concepts; to the concrete operational stage, where the child applies symbols, concepts, and mental rules to concrete (but not abstract) operations in the world.

For most people, development stops at the concrete operational stage. A few, however, develop further, to Piaget’s highest stage, formal operational. (And, an even smaller number continue to stages beyond that, which we will visit in a later post.)

Up through concrete operational, the person has used concepts, symbols, and mental rules to operate on concrete things and events. Concrete operational is the stage at which we learn to get around in the world by learning through experience how cause and effect works in the world. At formal operational, the child learns to apply his logical abilities to abstract ideas, which opens up a new and much wider perspective on life, and a large number of new life skills.

One of the big differences between concrete operational (conop) and formal operational (formop) is the ability to perform cognitive operations on hypothetical situations. If a mother says to a concrete operational child, “Don’t make fun of that man with a big nose. How would you feel if someone made fun of your nose?” the child may respond, “But I don’t have a big nose!” In a concrete sense, the child doesn’t have a big nose, and therefore cannot put himself in the place of the other person. Doing so is too abstract for the child. It asks him to use ”as if” thinking, and to put himself in the role of another. The task is abstract rather than concrete.

Here is another situation requiring formal operational thinking: ”If Tom is taller than Sam, and Tom is also shorter than Mike, who is tallest?” To figure out the answer, you have to be able to imagine the situation — it isn’t concrete, but rather hypothetical.

In the first of my three online Life Principles Integration Process courses, I introduce the idea that what you believe tends to come true in reality — what psychologists call a self-fulfilling prophecy. I ask students to examine their beliefs and find those that aren’t working, those that are generating outcomes they don’t want. (Notice that believing is concrete operational — it is based on evidence from experiences in the concrete, real world — while thinking about believing is formal operational — it’s a type of thinking about thinking, an operation performed on thinking.)

Once a person identifies a belief that is generating negative results, I ask them to determine what belief, if they adopted it and believed it, would generate the outcome they want. (For instance, someone who believes “I’ll never make any money,” generally figures out a way to make that belief come true. If, on the other hand, they believed, “If I do what those who make money do, I’ll make money, too,” they’ll figure out how to make that belief come true, i.e., they will make money.)

I then ask the student to adopt this new belief — even though they have no real-world evidence that it is true (yet). A concrete operational person believes something because they have concrete evidence for it. They’ve had actual experiences that tell them that what they believe is “true.” Now, I’m asking them to 1) imagine what belief would generate a better result, and 2) believe “as if” that new belief is true, to imagine that it is true — without any concrete evidence (they have to either imagine the evidence, or notice that other people have created evidence, which makes such a belief possible).

I’ve noticed that while a lot of students can do this, some students have trouble. This is a sign that they have not fully mastered concrete operational thinking (if that had, their beliefs would be more functional), and are therefore not quite ready to move into formal operational thinking.

Needing concrete evidence in order to believe something is concrete operational thinking. Being able to imagine what it would be like to believe in some other way is formal operational. The visionaries of the world use formal operational thinking (and, very likely, cognitive strategies beyond formal operational, which we will look at in another post). If you call concrete operational “thinking,” then formal operational could be termed “thinking about thinking.” Where concrete operational thinking might be described as learning the rules for how to do things, formal operations involves looking at how rules are generated, noticing patterns, and so forth — in other words, operating on rules and other ways of thinking, rather than operating merely on concrete things and situations.

In formal operational thinking, we’ve stepped back a step to observe the thinking process from the outside. The concrete operational person is immersed in their mental processes — they are their mental processes. The formal operational person has begun the process of having these mental processes instead of just being them.

Formal operational thinking — the ability to think about the thinking process — allows a person to investigate a problem in a systematic manner. Let’s say you wanted to determine the rules for making a pendulum swing at a certain speed. To systematically figure this out, you might try various combinations: a long string with a light weight, a long string with a heavy weight, a short string with a light weight, and a short string with a heavy weight.

Though the actual experiment is very concrete, the conception of it isn’t. The formal operational person will imagine the possibilities before they begin. They have the cognitive ability to imagine them all, hold them in awareness, and compare them. The concrete operational person will randomly try different possibilities and eventually will learn how a pendulum works. The formal operational thinker, however, will create a systematic plan prior to the actual experiment — allowing her to cut right to the chase. In many cases, the formal operational person will not only cognize the possibilities and the method of testing them, but also be able to imagine (based on information they have learned during the concrete operational stage) the actual result — before even doing the experiment.

At a more technical level, cognitive psychologists have identified eight different cognitive skills used to solve this problem (though you don’t need to know that these categories exist to use them). The first four have to do with the ability to group possibilities in four different ways:

1) Conjunction: “It’s possible that both A and B make a difference.” This expresses the possibility that the length of the string and the weight of the pendulum both make a difference.

2) Disjunction: “It’s possible that it’s either this or that.” Another possibility is that it might be either the length or the weight.

3) Implication: “It’s possible that if it’s this, then that will happen.” This is the formation of hypothesis by noticing any possible if/then causative connection.

4) Incompatibility: “It’s possible that when this happens, that doesn’t.” This is the converse of implication (#3 above), and is a way to eliminate (disprove) a hypothesis.

The second four are called “operating on operations” — what I meant above by “thinking about thinking.” The concrete operational thinker has learned to use various cognitive operations in order to make things happen in the world. The formal operational thinker can think about these operations and see (and use) patterns and principles.

If for instance your hypothesis is that it could be the string, or the weight, there are four operations you could use to test it:

1) Identity: “It could be the string or the weight.”

2) Negation: “It might not be the string and it might not be the weight.” (Negate each component and replace “or” with “and.”)

3) Reciprocity: “It could either not be the weight or not be the string.” (Negate the components but keep the and’s and or’s.)

4) Correlativity: “It’s the weight and the string.” (Keep the components as they are, but replace or’s with and’s.)

If you are a reasonably good formal operational thinker, you probably use the above in your thinking, even if you’ve never heard of, or even thought about, these categories. But you can probably see why not everyone develops this type of cognitive ability — it can be complicated. The more difficult questions on IQ tests can only be answered using formal operational thinking, for instance. Formal operational thinking allows one to think logically and abstractly, to use imaginative “as if” thinking, to “think about thinking,” to understand shades of gray, and, additionally, to understand abstract concepts such as love, integrity, or freedom.

Only about 30% of adults develop formal operational cognitive abilities.

Part of the shift to formal operational thinking involves a significant identity change: a mature ego begins to emerge. German philosopher and sociologist Jergen Habermas spoke of the transition from concrete operational to formal operational as a transformation from a role identity to an ego identity.

A role identity (the type of identity of a person at the concrete operational stage) is defined by one’s place and function in the group. An ego identity, on the other hand — contrary to the common use of the term as a type of selfishness — is defined by a wider perspective that, among other things, considers what would be fair for all people, not just one’s group. This more world centric perspective is possible because one has, for the first time, a true independent identity, based on a more expanded ability to take the role of other. When Piaget speaks of his earlier stages as being egocentric, he doesn’t mean that a clearly differentiated self or ego exists. He means just the opposite — that the self is not differentiated from the world, or even from the group.

It’s only at the formal operational level that a true, integrated self emerges from it’s immersion (in the sensorimotor stage) in the total environment, then (in the late sensorimotor and early preoperational stage) in bodily impulses, then (in late preoperational) in emotions, and finally (in concrete operational) in social roles. Counterintuitively, then, the development of a strong ego is actually a move away from egocentricity.

In the sensorimotor and preoperational stages the child does not have a strong or separate ego. The child assumes that the world feels whatever he feels and wants whatever he wants. He cannot clearly separate self and other and, as a result, treats others as extensions of himself (which leads to magical thinking — if something is an extension of me, I can magically affect it, or some powerful other can affect it for me). Later, at the concrete operational stage, the child cannot separate herself from the view of her group — the group’s mythology or world view. At formal operational, however, a true, independent self — a differentiated ego — emerges.

Let’s take a quick detour, then, and look at the concept of the ego (for which I will rely heavily upon the remarks of Ken Wilber). The ego is the bad guy in mystical, New Age circles, but what New Agers mean by “ego” is a bit fuzzy. Most postmodern New Agers take it to mean the sense of being a separate self, a self isolated from others and from Spirit — a not unreasonable definition.

But since ego is the bad guy, New Age thinking often equates everything that is non-rational, every perspective not associated with ego, as being good. In doing so, they make no distinction between narcissistic, pre-egoic states, where a true ego is as yet undeveloped, and trans-egoic states, where the ego has been transcended (an ego is available to be used as a tool but the self is no longer identified as it — we’ll get to this in a later post).

As opposed to the New Age definition of ego, academic psychoanalytic circles often define ego as the process of organizing the psyche, often referring to this organizing principle as the self, that which gives unity to the mind. Many of these theorists don’t relate to the idea of going beyond the ego — or get why anyone would even want to.

Finally, in contemporary philosophy, a distinction is made between what could be called the empirical ego, the self that can be an object of awareness, and the Pure Ego or transcendental ego, that aspect of us that is pure subjectivity and therefore can never be seen or experienced as an object. This is what I (and others) have often referred to as the witness, and what the Hindus call Atman, the pure witness that itself can never be witnessed. This definition of ego confuses New Agers, because it equates the “bad” ego with Spirit.

When Piaget speaks of his earlier stages as being egocentric, he doesn’t mean that there is a clearly differentiated ego or self, able to distinguish itself from the world. In fact, he means the opposite — that the self is not differentiated from the world, that there is no strong ego. This is why the person at these early stages treats the world as an extension of the self. Only when a true, differentiated ego emerges (at formal operational) does egocentrism diminish.

Until that point, the self is immersed in bodily impulses (sensorimotor and preoperational) and pre-given social roles (concrete operational). Finally, however, at the formal operational stage, a fully separate and fully individuated sense of self emerges. This emerging ego begins to form during concrete operational, as a persona or role, and then more fully develops during the formal operational stage. Further development (past formal operational) continues into the more spiritual (transegoic) realms — something I will discuss in another post.

Pre-egoic (i.e., sensorimotor and preoperational), egoic (concrete operational and formal operational), and transegoic (beyond formal operational) stages could also be described as being subconscious, self-conscious, and superconscious, respectively; or as prepersonal, personal, and transpersonal; or as prerational, rational, and transrational. And, you could also equate these stages with egocentrism, ethnocentrism (or group-centrism), and worldcentrism.

I mentioned decentering earlier as a new and significant ability of the formal operational person, where there is an ability to hold in awareness more than one type of relationship or one way of categorizing things or situations. Decentering could be thought of as an increased ability to take and hold in awareness multiple perspectives — a hallmark of world-centrism.

In this progression, each stage transcends the stage before it, becoming less egocentric. In each case, the new perspective is wider. Cognitively, the person is increasingly able to see (and take) progressively larger perspectives. Ultimately this will culminate in an ability to see one’s self as the entire going on of it all (as Spirit, or the Divine).

Formal operational thinking and awareness, then, transcends but also includes concrete operational thinking and awareness. As such, it can operate upon the skills and perspectives of the concrete operational stage. What the child was immersed in during concrete operational (what was subject) can now be observed, as an object — and therefore manipulated and operated upon. While concrete operational uses rules of thought to operate upon the concrete world, formal operational operates upon the rules themselves.

The ability to do this opens one to a new world — the world of possibilities. This is why the adolescent, as he develops formal operational abilities, enters into a world of new feelings, new dreams, new possibilities, new idealistic strivings. Reason (the main tool of formal operations) is the main driving force for this new space of possibilities. While the concrete operational child can operate on the concrete world, he is still tied to the obvious and the given. The formal operational adolescent, however, can mentally see new and different arrangements and possibilities.

A classic experiment from Piaget illustrates this. Piaget presented a child with five glasses of colorless liquids, three of which, when mixed, will produce a yellow liquid, and asked the child to combine the liquids to produce such a liquid.

Each stage approaches the problem in a different way. The preop child randomly mixes a few different liquids, and then gives up. If he stumbles upon the correct combination, he assigns his success to magic: “The sun made it happen,” or, “I wished that it would happen.” The conop child begins combining the liquids, three at a time, concretely mixing until he finds the right three to produce a yellow color.

But the formop adolescent begins by announcing that all possible combinations of three liquids must be tried. In other words, he has a mental plan (a formal operation) that allows him to see, in his mind’s eye, that all possible combinations must be tried. This is a type of relational awareness, where all possibilities are mentally held in awareness — something entirely new.

This isn’t a magical view of how things relate, as in preoperational thinking, or a randomized but concrete way of seeing how things relate, as in concrete operational thinking, but rather a new type of thinking in which both discrete differences and interactive relationships are perceived and taken into consideration.

The preop child, and to a lesser extent the conop child, thinks that yellow is a property of the liquids. The formop adolescent, however, understands that the yellow color is created by a relationship between the various liquids. This ability to see relationship between items is a new and significant skill. At concrete operational, the concrete items are what is important. At formal operational, while the items themselves are still important, what is most important are the relationships between the items.

Wilber points out three important qualities of formal operational. It is the first stage that is ecological, in the sense that it can see and hold in awareness the possible consequences of the relationships involved in a situation. Second, formal operational involves an understanding of relativity. In being able to hold in mind different perspectives, it sees in what way they operate relative to each other. (In one experiment Piaget allowed a snail to move along a board while at the same time the board is moved along a table. Only those at formal operational could understand the distance the snail travels relative to both the board and the table. The formal operational thinker understands that the time something takes, or the distance it travels, must be measured relative to some arbitrary point.)

Finally, formal operational thinking is non-anthropocentric (it doesn’t interpret the world solely in terms of human values and experiences). Formop sees a bigger picture, a larger perspective, in which humans are a part of a larger whole that includes the entire planet and other living things.

In a similar way, rules and societal norms are reflected upon and evaluated by reference to universal principles that transcend those of any particular culture or group. “My country right or wrong” becomes “Is my country actually right?” Concrete rules such as the Ten Commandments are supplanted by more universal principles such as justice, mercy, compassion, respect for all individuals, human rights — and the connection between rights and responsibilities.

During this developmental process we’ve seen morality move from a preconventional, narcissistic perspective, centered around the child’s body-centered feelings and impulses; to a conventional, ethnocentric, group-centric perspective centered around one’s tribe, society, race, or social group; to a postconventional or worldcentric perspective, oriented to ”all of us.”

At formal operational, one’s role no longer determines one’s identity. Though still influenced by society, identity at the formal operational stage is individually determined. The question of “who am I?” must, for the first time, be answered not by society but by the individual. Until this point true self-esteem does not exist, because prior to this stage one’s esteem is defined by the group. Now, for the first time — with the arising of a separate, individuated self — self-esteem is possible.

In terms of Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, one has moved from belongingness needs to self-esteem needs. A failure to successfully negotiate this shift results in the pathology of this stage, the identity crisis. At concrete operational one might fail to find an appropriate or healthy role in society, resulting in a script pathology. At formal operational the person is faced with finding an individual self that may or may not fit with society at all (think of Henry David Thoreau).

In addition to being ecological, relational, and non-anthropocentric, formal operational thinking is also introspective and experimental. It also relies on evidence to settle issues, and can understand and use ”what if” or “as if” statements to make sense of the world. In many ways, it is a stage about what could be. Modern technology, modern medicine, and many other human comforts and discoveries are the result of formal operational thinking.

Next, we’ll look at stages beyond formal operational, what is often called the transpersonal.

Be well.

 
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71 Responses to “How you make sense of your world…more secrets of living, part 3”

  1. Heather says:

    About self-esteem in children (to Jill). In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with a little self-esteem! Don’t knock it until you don’t have it!

    I am wondering if there is some belief about it that you might uncover with some soul-searching? That it is somehow bad? Also, I am sure that their lives DO revolve around them. Everything they see is through their own two eyes– their own perspective. I would think as teenagers who are not fully developed yet, they would be better off knowing themselves and their strengths before taking on the world and its tragedies. Though teens LOOK like adults, and emulate them, they are still kids with needs.
    Think about it.
    JUST MY OPINION, OF COURSE, from my own experience!

  2. Tina says:

    Interesting and mind-bending stuff.

    I like the chart idea as well. I think it would be interesting to in the end link all of the major schools of thought in this area to show the comparisons and contrasts.

    I’ve studied Piaget, Malsow and other behavioural masters academically and truthfully I ended up with pen and paper to “map” this all out as it was a bit confusing.

    I DO appreciate that you are linking everything to real research and study done on the human mind, how it works and how we develop. I think it is really important to do this so it gets rid of the magic “pie in the sky” aspects to the LOA that are so prevalent elsewhere. Perhaps it’s just satisifying my own academically bent “ego”, but it’s all good.

  3. Martha Salazar says:

    I’m lost my mind doesn’t even comprehend half of what you talking about. Could you please give us a simpler explantion.

  4. Erin says:

    EXCELLENT! Eager to hear about the transpersonal level!

    I love your blogs when they don’t have any judgments entangled in them. There was a bit with the whole perception of “New Agers” but easier to pass by this time with the juicy explanation of Formop having the most focused attention.

    Thank You!!! Overall, Holosync is the most fun I’ve had on my spiritual journey since shamanism.

  5. Erin says:

    #2
    Pam-
    about 8 posts up… I completely agree with your elegantly phrased observation.

  6. Mike McClean says:

    Dear Bill,

    I am thoroughly enjoying and learning a lot from your blog series on developmental stages. In the past couple years, I have been reading a lot of Ken Wilber and shaping an integral life practice based on the structure provided by his Integral Institute, the writing and experience of Murphy and Leonard, Holosync, and your writing. Years ago in graduate school, I did studies on children pertaining to Piaget’s ideas about egocentricity. While I’ve read a fair amount about the concept, the notion of ego has always confused me. The manner in which you integrate Wilber, Habermas, and Piaget makes all kinds of sense and does a lot to clarify reality and give me a better map.

    Many thanks,

    Mike McClean

  7. Lauren says:

    Bill,

    After reading these blogs about the developmental stages it has become clear to me that I somehow made it into my mid forties with the developmental level of a six year old. I can’t say I’m particularly stoked…but on the bright side, because I’m doing holosync and am on the second of your online courses, I have hope that I will somehow progress through the stages and be able to have a more functional, even happy and successful life. These blogs make a lot clear to me….One age old question you’ve answered for me is why so many people you meet who seem to have all the potential in the world are so extremely low functioning. My own father, clearly still at the magical stage had a high I.Q., was gifted artistically, mechanically, and musically. He was a kind person who worked hard and seemed to have it all going for him but he was very low functioning and died young. Now I look around me and see people like myself….struggling, not understanding why they can’t make sense of things even though many of them are basically very bright and some even exceedingly intelligent. Anyway, I hope I’m not involving a common coping mechanism for me, wishful thinking, when I hope I’ll be able to grow through these stages now that I’m aware of them. Can people progress through these stages in adulthood if they allow the chaos they’ve been so carefully avoiding to work it’s magic and reorganize them at a higher level? I know you’ve said holosync can help this happen…

    Will you be telling us how to move through the stages in later blogs if we’re not already ‘there’? I hope so. Can you suggest reading material, counselors, classes, SOMETHING? I’m so glad I know this, now, because now my level of functioning makes so much more sense. I have already noticed myself approaching challenges first by randomly attempting to solve them followed by an emotional outburst if I can’t figure it out. Some times I stumble upon a solution which I then attribute to something that probably has nothing to do with the outcome at all. And then I go back to more random attempts and more emotional outbursts.

    What got me thinking I may be preopperational was the part about thinking you had magical powers. It sounds crazy even to me, but I never moved out of thinking I had magical abilities. Please understand I don’t consciously go around thinking about this, but when I contemplated it I realized I have believed magical things about myself. I wonder if a child is surrounded by people they don’t trust may they be less likely to progress to the level of thinking that certain special others had magical abilities?….Again, now that I’ve noticed this I hope I can grow up, because being developmentally crippled is no pick nick, as you know. Nearly my entire family, other than one grandfather were all preopperational as far as I can tell. I can see how hard they’ve struggled and how little progress they’ve made….and maybe this is why.

    I guess this explains why I never had any aspirations as a teen other than to survive until the next day…nor could I ever decide what I wanted to do when I grew up even though I seemed to have enough talent to do well in a variety of areas. I can think about things, but have trouble implementing plans without a lot of internal chaos, random activity, and out bursts. And forgiving…someone mentioned they thought people earlier in the stages couldn’t forgive and I wonder if that’s why I’ve struggled so much to do so and have had so little success (more now with holosync and the lpip course.) Is that something that gets easier as you encompas the higher stages?

    Anyhow, as much as I am embarrassed to air this stuff in front of ‘y’all’, I’m fairly desperate to change, even if it means doing things in ways that feel extremely uncomfortable and sometimes down right painful. I also have learned from you, Bill, that if I don’t resist the discomfort it will cease to exist. I deeply appreciate your desire to help us with this information. I understand some people, maybe those at higher stages, think this stuff isn’t important. But I can assure you it’s monumental if you have somehow missed the progress train.

    I look forward to further blogs….Thank you. And the lpip courses are brilliant. Lauren

  8. Elisa B. Rodriguez says:

    My problem is that I am not too savvy re Ipod downloading and I would really like to read all this blog. It is very interesting and too much for me too print. Is there any way I can get all this printed material by mail or is there another way?. I have been ill with sinus infection for about a month and unable to concentrate when on the computer for too long. Any suggestions?

  9. Katbert, the Dilbert Fan says:

    Hello Bill,

    Your posts are golden, just golden.

    “Too long?”! Too long relative to what? And there were “too many notes” in Mozart’s music, too! Aside from your blog entries, which are, as Goldilocks might say, just right, there are some real gems from the readers. Like these:

    Jonny – thank you for asking an important question!! Never seen that discussed before, and the answer would probably help many, many families. No kids of my own, but two amazing, gorgeous nephews under 6.

    Anna Paradox – thank you, too! Oh my word, I have SO had that same kind of argument with family members, too many times. “IF! IF!” Different cognitive levels? Ahhh, okay then. And,

    Jessica – “Bill has posted all of this information for us to use if we are ready for it”. Bingo!
    “…or any other label for a developmental label that we are on
    can be left behind with the use of Holosync…” Ding-ding! Right again!
    Your contribution is so good, everybody might want to re-read it.
    You said it much better than I would have. You must be miles ahead of me in Holosync.

    This discussion also reminds me of a concept that I’ve heard from a personal growth guru: he says given a choice between two good things….
    TAKE BOTH! I love that line. I mean really, why should anyone be stuck just being “right brain dominant” or “left brain dominant”? I choose to have BOTH sides of my brain functioning optimally, and luckily, with Holosync, I can. We all can. Whoopee!

    love, Katbert

  10. Scote says:

    Today I re-read post2 and post3. The mind is an amazing thing. Information that was obviously there became available after being able to associate it with something already in the brain – my last reading. All my life – feel I’ve have moments of formal thinking, totally unaware that it was just any more than just thinking. I have been introspective by nature, spending time just wondering about stuff. Thanks for giving it a name. It seems in my life that I’ve had a talent for knowing when some was ‘right’, ‘hot’ or going to be great because it already was. That’s how I feel about almost everything I see here. Great hope for the future of mankind, and the world. Thanks for providing the place. Be well yorself

    Scote

  11. Alfonso Jaramillo says:

    Bill once again your thought process is pristine. My god, this brings a lot of clarity to my world.

    Thanks so much,

  12. Mattias says:

    Lauren: Thank you for giving a detailed example, rooted in your own direct experience, of how magical thinking can manifest in the adult mind.

    But, does occasional magical thinking mean that you are stuck at a “magical level”? I don´t think so. Even yogis might have regressive tendencies… but they are immediately witnessed, and therefore unharmful. I totally honor your commitment to change though!

    I ´ve been thinking along these lines: If you can play with magical thinking, you honor the inner child, the manifestation of form, that you once were – as a conscious and playful regression in the service of I.

    Would I want to become an adult without ANY regressive, magical thinking tendencies at all? Seems a bit…repressive? Or do I somehow reclaim the mystery and the magic at a transpersonel level, without egoic boundaries…?

  13. Kathy says:

    Bill, Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the subject of cognitive development. I can see why now we are what think and thus create.
    I am a busy professional woman, young but planning on my future, etc. and do all the stuff you gotta do to make it and live well in this world.

    While I love to read theoretical and on the edge novel/ new stuff that the rest of the world rather not concern about, I find it hard to stay awake and digest and ‘Get’ the message you want us to know, like cliff notes version. Some of us are more evolved than others mentally, but after 12 hours of work, graduate school and stuffs, I am exhausted and my mind is no better than 12th grader. I guess I’m saying I love to read and read these blogs… but I miss mind-chatter.

  14. Loren says:

    I loved these posts on human/adult development. I am a big fan of Ken Wilber and the Integral Institute and utilize their resources in addition to yours to keep moving up the stages. I would love posts to help us all on our develomental journey. Or will it just happen doing Holosync? Thanks for your wonderful program…and all the support you give. Loren

  15. Kathy von Duyke says:

    Hi Bill,
    Great thoughts but Piaget was actually wrong, even young children can be theoretical in their thinking, it depends on the relationship they establish with the task. (Vygotsky, Holt) You might enjoy Harold Oliver’s A Relational Metaphysics. You are thinking from a cognitive paradigm, but I suspect that you will find a socio-cultural theoretical approach to education much more satisfying and in tune with what you really think. Primary to this approach is the literary theorist Bakhtin.

  16. Nives says:

    Hi,
    I am curious, does Holosyc have a reverse effect on Alzhiemers?

  17. Stephen Warrilow says:

    This is (as always with Bill) so left brain!

    Bill – you know as well as I do that being informed about is not the same as knowing it. So whilst I understand your obvious and understandable concern for those stuck on less developed (magical) thinking for god’s sake talk to us about about the spiritual dimension.

    Where is the heart in all of this endless left brain stuff? Yes many of us of are very familiar with Piaget’s work- we’ve go got it – please let’s move in.

    Where is the transcendent dimension Bill? Just for once, please move beyond your left brian reductionism and offer us a glimmer of the spiritual – and especially your own experience of it – please Bill.

    You claim enlightenment experience (which I don’t personally doubt) then please demonstrate it by moving beyond these basic levels you seem so obsessively stuck on and talk to us from your heart – move us – inspire us – reach us with some real spiritual insight and uplift.

    And preferably from your direct experience – based on your life – sharing your spiritual ( rather than intellectual / left brain ) experience and insights.

    Thankyou.

  18. Eugene says:

    Thanks Stephen ( and Janet, Thomas and a few others above .. )

    Yes, I AM enjoying reading this, Bill .. and I would really like for you to expand what you have written beyond the, quite narrow, confines of Piaget.

    I gather Piaget used a very small sample of children in the research ( mainly, his own children and a few others! ). Meaning the children involved were developing within a quite limited range of experiences – familial, cultural to name but two.

    I am also noticing a scope for your wording to possibly imply that the term “mind” might be taken to mean solely: “what goes on in the cognitive brain”. From my own personal growth and from hearing the experience of others, I am becoming more attuned to the notion of the “body-mind”. In terms of expanded awareness noticing body responses and using those as more information from which to operate from. This has helped me hugely in my own journey towards self-esteem, self-awareness, confidence, motivation. And as Stephen says above – inspiration – to be inspired by myself as well as being touched by the endeavours and wisdom of others.

    I felt a strong need to make these points, Bill, as I read other responses over the three installments. I do realise what a HUGE task this is, as there is so much material out there. I am particularly following the more recent neuro-biology research (Daniel Siegal, Antonio Damasio, Allan Schore, and, !gasp! Candace Pert! and the child work of Stanley Greenspan) which all seem to place a growing emphasis on the body-brain mind system. (And I do realise that I am over-simplifying the variety of approaches of these researchers.)
    One aspect of all their work that strikes me strongly is that they are tracing the connections between how our relationships with other human beings SHAPES us and AFFECTS us at a cellular, indeed at a chemical level. And that our very cells around our body record events (traumas etc.. ) in their own chemical language. All happening beyond the remit of the upper Cognitive layers. And all vitally important as part of our “Total Inner Wisdom System” (I could TradeMark that!!)

    Deep meditation ( including Holosync ) I believe is a wonderful way of working (without the work!) at these levels, as also is, deep therapy with a therapist who has the capacity to accompany one to, and through, these realms.

    Enough!

    Warmest wishes to all. (and excuse my non-American spelling!!)

    Eugene.

  19. Anne says:

    Hello,

    I am looking for the Mind Chatter archives… I had started reading all the old ones after I started Holosync, stopped when I got too busy and now, I can’t find them anymore. I know it is not produced anymore, but I never thought that meant they would be removed from the site, are they??

    I really enjoyed Mind Chatter. It was short enough to read with my morning coffee. And it wasn’t just a one person’s views… I really loved the quotes, and the Coach’s corner, these front line people who assist us when we run into massive resistance! They may work behind the scene, but some of them do quiet, enormously useful, sensitive work with Holosync participants. You can always tell when someone really hears you and gives you not a canned formula, but suggestions that are just right for you because they are very present and they have done their work.

    I am very grateful for these coaches, and I would like to see a new version of the Mind Chatter that includes them and gives them a voice rather than a single guru approach to the blog. Bill is very knowledgeable, but I did Piaget in the ’60s and I find this whole development thing limited. We are so much more than levels of development moving in a linear fashion. We are multidimensional beings expanding all the time in all directions. It feels like going backwards or contradictory to me to do Holosync and then get into this left brain, wordy, heady blog?? I want simple…

    Yes, we do have the intelligence to understand Bill’s very long blogs, but may be we know also that Truth is elegantly simple, that in the end, we all have to go inside for our Knowing, and remember the larger Whole that we are part of. When I die, i won’t be reviewing whether I know all the levels of development and which one I am at…I may just simply be at peace having awakened to the joy and allowing of the present moment…

    Anne

  20. Stephen Warrilow says:

    Thank you Anne. You have expressed what I was trying to say – but much more clearly and simply!

    Also, I find Eugene’s reflections on the “body-mind” and “total inner wisdom” aspects very helpful as well – thank you as well.

    Namaste
    Stephen

  21. Alemenia McLean says:

    Dear Bill Just one question. If we can be informed but not have to be inendated then why all the recommendations like cohen,wilber,james Ray,etc, Why can’t

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