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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<description>http://www.uncommon-knowledge.co.uk/articles/superstition-kills.html

The above is a cool article about how magical thinking in the form of superstition causes magical believers trouble.  I think you might find it interesting Bill and everyone reading this.

Warm regards,
Dave :O)</description>
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<p>The above is a cool article about how magical thinking in the form of superstition causes magical believers trouble.  I think you might find it interesting Bill and everyone reading this.</p>
<p>Warm regards,<br />
Dave :O)</p>
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		<title>By: tj</title>
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		<description>Hi Bill,

I love to hear other perspectives / ideologies about Manifesting.  While I agree, there are many ways that things manifest for us (i like your wanting lemonade reference), I also know, from personal experience, I&#039;ve drawn to me, resources, that I didn&#039;t know existed -- seemingly &#039;magically&#039;.  

I believe, by my studies in the sciences, that energy is a very tangible and real thing, that can be measured - though not always seen.  If we put out as it were, positive, grateful, loving energy, we draw people, and experiences that give us the opportunity to receive more of these things.  Now, if we want to actually GET these things, we need to get off our duff and &#039;act&#039;.  However, I&#039;ve drawn many opportunities, by simply putting out my desires, and allowing the opportunity to come to me, however that way may be.  In each instance, I&#039;ve at that point, had to do something to complete the manifesting cycle, or attain the tangible thing I want -- but I&#039;ve never really had to do anything to manifest the OPPORTUNITY.

I do find your thoughts, and explanations very interesting however.  I personally believe there is a balance between the &#039;magical&#039; aspect, and the physical aspect, of manifesting.  And let us not forget, being appreciative of what you do have, always lends strong energy to keeping attracting those things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bill,</p>
<p>I love to hear other perspectives / ideologies about Manifesting.  While I agree, there are many ways that things manifest for us (i like your wanting lemonade reference), I also know, from personal experience, I&#8217;ve drawn to me, resources, that I didn&#8217;t know existed &#8212; seemingly &#8216;magically&#8217;.  </p>
<p>I believe, by my studies in the sciences, that energy is a very tangible and real thing, that can be measured &#8211; though not always seen.  If we put out as it were, positive, grateful, loving energy, we draw people, and experiences that give us the opportunity to receive more of these things.  Now, if we want to actually GET these things, we need to get off our duff and &#8216;act&#8217;.  However, I&#8217;ve drawn many opportunities, by simply putting out my desires, and allowing the opportunity to come to me, however that way may be.  In each instance, I&#8217;ve at that point, had to do something to complete the manifesting cycle, or attain the tangible thing I want &#8212; but I&#8217;ve never really had to do anything to manifest the OPPORTUNITY.</p>
<p>I do find your thoughts, and explanations very interesting however.  I personally believe there is a balance between the &#8216;magical&#8217; aspect, and the physical aspect, of manifesting.  And let us not forget, being appreciative of what you do have, always lends strong energy to keeping attracting those things.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessie</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Jessie&lt;/strong&gt;

Have enjoyed your site very much and benefited from the information. Thank You.</description>
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<p>Have enjoyed your site very much and benefited from the information. Thank You.</p>
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		<title>By: SIA</title>
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		<dc:creator>SIA</dc:creator>
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		<description>Dear Mr. Bill,
You seem VERY emotionally attached to your views which is a little bit disappointing. Makes me think twice about buying Holosync.  The fact of the matter is that the great book says,&quot;WHATSOEVER ye desire when you pray, BELIEVE that you receive AND YE shall receive&quot;. Either this is true or false. It doesn&#039;t say &quot;Whatsoever ye desire, if you WORK HARD for it and if  it is reasonable...if it&#039;s not crazy like thinking you can cure yourself of cancer without medicine...thinking you can find an ideal mate based purely on affirming it [i.e. not &quot;getting out there&quot; going to clubs, etc., etc]...it says WHATSOEVER&quot;.

By your own admission, a belief is not &quot;good&quot; or &quot;bad&quot; in and of itself, it&#039;s a question of whether or not a belief serves you. You may call what the secret teaches as &quot;magical&quot; thinking and while it may not work for you, as it has been proven, the job of the mind is to negate any and everything that opposes one&#039;s subconscious beliefs (as well as those things for which we don&#039;t have the neuro conditioning for).

John Assaraf cured himself of a condition that required 25 pills a day with &quot;magical&quot; thinking, I&#039;ve personally manifested things that eluded me via physical efforts (i.e. &quot;working hard&quot; for it the conventional way) by nothing more than making mind mind accept something as true despite the fact that I had no 5 sensory evidence to support it - individuals with your beliefs may call this a &quot;coincidence&quot; but I&#039;m sorry, this great universe is too orderly for me to ever believe in &quot;coincidence&quot; - by the way, do you know what the work &quot;coincidence&quot; really means??

 I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that allowing oneself to have a mental attitude of total assurance despite the fact that the only &quot;evidence&quot; I had was spiritual truth. In other words, I allowed myself to adopt a belief based on more than 5 sensory evidence (once I realized how much our senses can deceive us...but our inner knowing won&#039;t).

In your blog, you contend that &quot;you&quot; have no evidence of what the Secret purports as being true and hence you don&#039;t believe it. Well, let&#039;s think about what a belief is:

A belief = Information + Experience * Repetition.

There are 6.5 billion people on the planet. There are billions of books and other information sources. Please accept the fact that with 6.5 billion people on the planet (each one having had experiences of a varying degree....millions I am sure have had consistent results with &quot;magical thinking)...with that, plus countless studies of their experiences and perhaps even scientific work done that you aren&#039;t aware of.....The fact of the matter is that you seem to be basing your belief only on that which your mental processing of information accepts as true. Have considered using your own Holosync material to program a belief in &quot;magical thinking&quot; then seeing what results materialize in your life. I would imagine, like every human being, you too have some learning and growing to do.

Please, please accept the fact that just because YOU haven&#039;t experienced something and YOU haven&#039;t read about it doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s not true or real. Please accept that fact that many of the great bibles of the world do teach that the belief is what creates the fact, and they don&#039;t assign ANY contingencies to this. 

It&#039;s so hard for human being to believe in the UNLIMITED potential of the mind, I believe you are doing individuals a great dis-service by trying to tell people to &quot;come down to earth&quot;. Some 500 years ago, it was magical thinking to believe that something without wings could fly. After all, there was no study, no physical evidence, no information present by way of the 5 senses that would lead any sane person to believe that something (let alone man) without wings could fly.

Yet those who adopted &quot;magical thinking&quot; allowed themselves to believe something based on &quot;evidence&quot; arrived outside of what the 5 senses could gather or interpret. And, the rest was history.

The fact of the matter is that thought can and does affect physical matter on the plank scale. I&#039;d probably still be doubting this myself but for seeing my brother do it right in front of my eyes. If pure intent can bend metal, it can do other things to physical things and conditions.

I think as human beings we are so wedded to the notion that we have to &quot;work hard&quot; for something to get it. That belief is nothing but a thought in the collective unconscious that we all need to get rid of.

Anyone who doesn&#039;t understand that the Law of Attraction affects both ourselves as well as physical matter, is really missing the point of it all. Though energy is REAL! Nicola Tesla realized this, Jesus the Christ realized this and many others did and do realized this. You say you are open to finding out more, but are you really?

I actually am proud of many of the Secret teachers who risked getting called &quot;quacks&quot; for coming out and telling the public what many if not most of the great people in history stumbled upon but chose not to tell other people about for fear of being call crazy.

I do believe in dematerialization too. The great book says &quot;ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE IF YOU BELIEVE&quot; either this is true all false. Can I do it? No. But that&#039;s just because of the deeply established beliefs in my mind. If the beliefs change, they can happen.

I&#039;m disappointed that you seem to be trying to limit what people believe in.

If you were being consistent with your contentions what you would do is ask those people who believe in &quot;magical thinking&quot; whether or not this belief served them well. If it did (and considering that it flies in the face of what the collective unconscious and standard modern beliefs contend)....you should instruct them to impress that notion upon their subconscious mind and upon doing so, see what results materialize in their lives based on their new beliefs.

I wish people would stop emphasizing the role of physical work when it comes to &quot;getting what you want&quot;. As Neville Goddard once said &quot;more wrong has come to this Earth by way of wrong thinking than ever did come by wrong doing&quot;. If we getting the thinking part &quot;right&quot; the physical part will at least be effortless and and most will be a Labor of love.

If we humans spent as much time working on our minds and brains as we do &quot;working hard&quot; we would be so much further along. Yes there is &quot;hard&quot; work but that&#039;s largely the case because for so long we have been programmed to believe that anything worth getting is hard to achieve.

These comments may not get published, but I hope they do. I hope whoever reads this and has &quot;magical thinking&quot; realizes that a Law is timeless and changes and that just because YOU may not believe something doesn&#039;t mean it isn&#039;t true. 

Happy Journeying,
SIA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Bill,<br />
You seem VERY emotionally attached to your views which is a little bit disappointing. Makes me think twice about buying Holosync.  The fact of the matter is that the great book says,&#8221;WHATSOEVER ye desire when you pray, BELIEVE that you receive AND YE shall receive&#8221;. Either this is true or false. It doesn&#8217;t say &#8220;Whatsoever ye desire, if you WORK HARD for it and if  it is reasonable&#8230;if it&#8217;s not crazy like thinking you can cure yourself of cancer without medicine&#8230;thinking you can find an ideal mate based purely on affirming it [i.e. not "getting out there" going to clubs, etc., etc]&#8230;it says WHATSOEVER&#8221;.</p>
<p>By your own admission, a belief is not &#8220;good&#8221; or &#8220;bad&#8221; in and of itself, it&#8217;s a question of whether or not a belief serves you. You may call what the secret teaches as &#8220;magical&#8221; thinking and while it may not work for you, as it has been proven, the job of the mind is to negate any and everything that opposes one&#8217;s subconscious beliefs (as well as those things for which we don&#8217;t have the neuro conditioning for).</p>
<p>John Assaraf cured himself of a condition that required 25 pills a day with &#8220;magical&#8221; thinking, I&#8217;ve personally manifested things that eluded me via physical efforts (i.e. &#8220;working hard&#8221; for it the conventional way) by nothing more than making mind mind accept something as true despite the fact that I had no 5 sensory evidence to support it &#8211; individuals with your beliefs may call this a &#8220;coincidence&#8221; but I&#8217;m sorry, this great universe is too orderly for me to ever believe in &#8220;coincidence&#8221; &#8211; by the way, do you know what the work &#8220;coincidence&#8221; really means??</p>
<p> I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that allowing oneself to have a mental attitude of total assurance despite the fact that the only &#8220;evidence&#8221; I had was spiritual truth. In other words, I allowed myself to adopt a belief based on more than 5 sensory evidence (once I realized how much our senses can deceive us&#8230;but our inner knowing won&#8217;t).</p>
<p>In your blog, you contend that &#8220;you&#8221; have no evidence of what the Secret purports as being true and hence you don&#8217;t believe it. Well, let&#8217;s think about what a belief is:</p>
<p>A belief = Information + Experience * Repetition.</p>
<p>There are 6.5 billion people on the planet. There are billions of books and other information sources. Please accept the fact that with 6.5 billion people on the planet (each one having had experiences of a varying degree&#8230;.millions I am sure have had consistent results with &#8220;magical thinking)&#8230;with that, plus countless studies of their experiences and perhaps even scientific work done that you aren&#8217;t aware of&#8230;..The fact of the matter is that you seem to be basing your belief only on that which your mental processing of information accepts as true. Have considered using your own Holosync material to program a belief in &#8220;magical thinking&#8221; then seeing what results materialize in your life. I would imagine, like every human being, you too have some learning and growing to do.</p>
<p>Please, please accept the fact that just because YOU haven&#8217;t experienced something and YOU haven&#8217;t read about it doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s not true or real. Please accept that fact that many of the great bibles of the world do teach that the belief is what creates the fact, and they don&#8217;t assign ANY contingencies to this. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s so hard for human being to believe in the UNLIMITED potential of the mind, I believe you are doing individuals a great dis-service by trying to tell people to &#8220;come down to earth&#8221;. Some 500 years ago, it was magical thinking to believe that something without wings could fly. After all, there was no study, no physical evidence, no information present by way of the 5 senses that would lead any sane person to believe that something (let alone man) without wings could fly.</p>
<p>Yet those who adopted &#8220;magical thinking&#8221; allowed themselves to believe something based on &#8220;evidence&#8221; arrived outside of what the 5 senses could gather or interpret. And, the rest was history.</p>
<p>The fact of the matter is that thought can and does affect physical matter on the plank scale. I&#8217;d probably still be doubting this myself but for seeing my brother do it right in front of my eyes. If pure intent can bend metal, it can do other things to physical things and conditions.</p>
<p>I think as human beings we are so wedded to the notion that we have to &#8220;work hard&#8221; for something to get it. That belief is nothing but a thought in the collective unconscious that we all need to get rid of.</p>
<p>Anyone who doesn&#8217;t understand that the Law of Attraction affects both ourselves as well as physical matter, is really missing the point of it all. Though energy is REAL! Nicola Tesla realized this, Jesus the Christ realized this and many others did and do realized this. You say you are open to finding out more, but are you really?</p>
<p>I actually am proud of many of the Secret teachers who risked getting called &#8220;quacks&#8221; for coming out and telling the public what many if not most of the great people in history stumbled upon but chose not to tell other people about for fear of being call crazy.</p>
<p>I do believe in dematerialization too. The great book says &#8220;ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE IF YOU BELIEVE&#8221; either this is true all false. Can I do it? No. But that&#8217;s just because of the deeply established beliefs in my mind. If the beliefs change, they can happen.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m disappointed that you seem to be trying to limit what people believe in.</p>
<p>If you were being consistent with your contentions what you would do is ask those people who believe in &#8220;magical thinking&#8221; whether or not this belief served them well. If it did (and considering that it flies in the face of what the collective unconscious and standard modern beliefs contend)&#8230;.you should instruct them to impress that notion upon their subconscious mind and upon doing so, see what results materialize in their lives based on their new beliefs.</p>
<p>I wish people would stop emphasizing the role of physical work when it comes to &#8220;getting what you want&#8221;. As Neville Goddard once said &#8220;more wrong has come to this Earth by way of wrong thinking than ever did come by wrong doing&#8221;. If we getting the thinking part &#8220;right&#8221; the physical part will at least be effortless and and most will be a Labor of love.</p>
<p>If we humans spent as much time working on our minds and brains as we do &#8220;working hard&#8221; we would be so much further along. Yes there is &#8220;hard&#8221; work but that&#8217;s largely the case because for so long we have been programmed to believe that anything worth getting is hard to achieve.</p>
<p>These comments may not get published, but I hope they do. I hope whoever reads this and has &#8220;magical thinking&#8221; realizes that a Law is timeless and changes and that just because YOU may not believe something doesn&#8217;t mean it isn&#8217;t true. </p>
<p>Happy Journeying,<br />
SIA</p>
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		<title>By: Bosco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bosco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bill,

Thanks for everything. 

I finally found something I can disagree with you about.  :-)

First, the title; &quot;Bill answers his critics&quot;?  I&#039;m not sure everyone who doesn&#039;t agree with you here is a  &#039;critic&#039;. Probably only a tiny few would fit that description.

Secondly, I get what you&#039;re saying about a child having a magical understanding of the universe; and the need to develop an action based
personal responsibility model for adulthood. Indeed I needed to hear that.
Yet it is a fantastic leap of logic to go from there to the assumption that
psychic phenomena that goes beyond the lab-repeatable, 5 senses, consensus reality paradigm, simply does not exist!  

Citing James Randi as some sort of bastion of open-minded scientific researcher startled me...Let alone taking the fact that he hasn&#039;t seen fit to give away his challenge money, as evidence that psychic phenomena doesn&#039;t exist.

As you repeatedly state, we interpret and perceive data from our perspectives. If our perspectives don&#039;t allow for the existence of something that we come across we find ways to explain it away; including saying
it&#039;s not repeatable to the point of being accepted in most mainstream &quot;scientific&quot; peer review forums, etc. (And even though there are  plenty of scientists on the other side of the aisle, including many who have changed their views on such matters, they are  passed  off as, &quot;out of the mainstream&quot;...or even more regularly, simply ignored.

By the way, Randi is a perfect example of explaining away all data which is beyond his paradigm. He is a sleight of hand illusionist.  He can make it look like he is bending a spoon with mind power.  If he sees someone bending a spoon with mind power, he assumes it&#039;s sleight of hand and says, &quot;I can do that. It&#039;s just a parlor trick. You don&#039;t get my money.&quot;

Bill, I&#039;d love to know what your list entails of things that don&#039;t exist. Reincarnation? Remote viewing? Communicating with people who have passed on?  Parallel universes? Other worldly beings? Clairvoyance?
Telepathy? 

Whatever your list includes, do you really think that it&#039;s a lower stage of development most people are in  who don&#039;t share your list? 

Are you really implying that people who believe in such, are struggling, not making the money they want, not having the relationships they desire or the satisfaction they deserve from life and not as developed, satisfied, fulfilled in relationships, jobs and life, in general, as those of you who reject such notions?

The primary flaw I see in your reasoning is bunching together the cognitive developmental stage of childlike thinking with various metaphysical / parapsychological fields of inquiry. And then you kind of do your own straw man argument stating that if these things exist, there are
scientific explanations we&#039;ve yet to grok which explain them, and hence, they are not &quot;magical&quot;.

Yes, EXACTLY. (And I don&#039;t think any of your &quot;critics&quot; are arguing for the term &quot;magical&quot;.)

It&#039;s been 20some years since I read SUPERNATURE by Biologist Lyle Watson (And I can only imagine the data that has since come out that would be in the book if he wrote it today) but it&#039;s a great read for getting that the supernatural is indeed part of nature. And then there&#039;s the work of Cleve (Baxter(?), I think) the former FBI polygraph expert who stunned us
with the research gleamed by hooking up plants and then human cells to his polygraph equipment.  The evidence of the reality of non-accepted
&quot;unscientific&quot;, non-peer review accepted phenomena is overwhelming.
Look at the work of Dr. Ian Stevenson on reincarnation -- (among my favorite insights from him is how birth marks are death marks from a previous existence.) 

Surely Bill, everything doesn&#039;t have to be either / or. For instance, your
interpretation of the chemical reaction of the brain to the substances in Ayahuasca in no way has to invalidate the shamanistic perspective of the spirits of the plant world. Both could be valid and counterparts of each other.

I&#039;m guessing that you would look at the brain research that shows that the classic near death experience can be induced by physically, surgically  probing certain areas of the brain, as evidence of NDE&#039;s not being &quot;real&quot;.
Whereas, the surgeon who has done more research in this field than anyone, Dr. Melvin Morse, sees that as the physical counterpart to the very real experience. He would say the brain connects to the world of spirit, but the world of spirit still exists when that connection is severed for good, (as in, death). And I don&#039;t think his position on the subject is an indication that his stage of development is less than yours.  

(By the way, I&#039;ll bet my life that James Randi would tout that brain probe / NDE phenomena as UNDENIABLE PROOF that NDE&#039;s are imaginary and invalid. Furthermore, I think it&#039;s a huge mistake to assume that Randi&#039;s stage of development and yours are the same, merely because you guys don&#039;t believe in certain metaphysical phenomena.)


Bill, this area of disagreement with many of your students really doesn&#039;t
hold a candle to the importance of the work you do for us. And I, for one,
am glad to realize you don&#039;t know everything. It was getting downright
spooky for me there for a while. 

:-)

You&#039;re Amazing!

Bosco</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bill,</p>
<p>Thanks for everything. </p>
<p>I finally found something I can disagree with you about.  <img src='http://www.centerpointe.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>First, the title; &#8220;Bill answers his critics&#8221;?  I&#8217;m not sure everyone who doesn&#8217;t agree with you here is a  &#8216;critic&#8217;. Probably only a tiny few would fit that description.</p>
<p>Secondly, I get what you&#8217;re saying about a child having a magical understanding of the universe; and the need to develop an action based<br />
personal responsibility model for adulthood. Indeed I needed to hear that.<br />
Yet it is a fantastic leap of logic to go from there to the assumption that<br />
psychic phenomena that goes beyond the lab-repeatable, 5 senses, consensus reality paradigm, simply does not exist!  </p>
<p>Citing James Randi as some sort of bastion of open-minded scientific researcher startled me&#8230;Let alone taking the fact that he hasn&#8217;t seen fit to give away his challenge money, as evidence that psychic phenomena doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p>As you repeatedly state, we interpret and perceive data from our perspectives. If our perspectives don&#8217;t allow for the existence of something that we come across we find ways to explain it away; including saying<br />
it&#8217;s not repeatable to the point of being accepted in most mainstream &#8220;scientific&#8221; peer review forums, etc. (And even though there are  plenty of scientists on the other side of the aisle, including many who have changed their views on such matters, they are  passed  off as, &#8220;out of the mainstream&#8221;&#8230;or even more regularly, simply ignored.</p>
<p>By the way, Randi is a perfect example of explaining away all data which is beyond his paradigm. He is a sleight of hand illusionist.  He can make it look like he is bending a spoon with mind power.  If he sees someone bending a spoon with mind power, he assumes it&#8217;s sleight of hand and says, &#8220;I can do that. It&#8217;s just a parlor trick. You don&#8217;t get my money.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bill, I&#8217;d love to know what your list entails of things that don&#8217;t exist. Reincarnation? Remote viewing? Communicating with people who have passed on?  Parallel universes? Other worldly beings? Clairvoyance?<br />
Telepathy? </p>
<p>Whatever your list includes, do you really think that it&#8217;s a lower stage of development most people are in  who don&#8217;t share your list? </p>
<p>Are you really implying that people who believe in such, are struggling, not making the money they want, not having the relationships they desire or the satisfaction they deserve from life and not as developed, satisfied, fulfilled in relationships, jobs and life, in general, as those of you who reject such notions?</p>
<p>The primary flaw I see in your reasoning is bunching together the cognitive developmental stage of childlike thinking with various metaphysical / parapsychological fields of inquiry. And then you kind of do your own straw man argument stating that if these things exist, there are<br />
scientific explanations we&#8217;ve yet to grok which explain them, and hence, they are not &#8220;magical&#8221;.</p>
<p>Yes, EXACTLY. (And I don&#8217;t think any of your &#8220;critics&#8221; are arguing for the term &#8220;magical&#8221;.)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been 20some years since I read SUPERNATURE by Biologist Lyle Watson (And I can only imagine the data that has since come out that would be in the book if he wrote it today) but it&#8217;s a great read for getting that the supernatural is indeed part of nature. And then there&#8217;s the work of Cleve (Baxter(?), I think) the former FBI polygraph expert who stunned us<br />
with the research gleamed by hooking up plants and then human cells to his polygraph equipment.  The evidence of the reality of non-accepted<br />
&#8220;unscientific&#8221;, non-peer review accepted phenomena is overwhelming.<br />
Look at the work of Dr. Ian Stevenson on reincarnation &#8212; (among my favorite insights from him is how birth marks are death marks from a previous existence.) </p>
<p>Surely Bill, everything doesn&#8217;t have to be either / or. For instance, your<br />
interpretation of the chemical reaction of the brain to the substances in Ayahuasca in no way has to invalidate the shamanistic perspective of the spirits of the plant world. Both could be valid and counterparts of each other.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing that you would look at the brain research that shows that the classic near death experience can be induced by physically, surgically  probing certain areas of the brain, as evidence of NDE&#8217;s not being &#8220;real&#8221;.<br />
Whereas, the surgeon who has done more research in this field than anyone, Dr. Melvin Morse, sees that as the physical counterpart to the very real experience. He would say the brain connects to the world of spirit, but the world of spirit still exists when that connection is severed for good, (as in, death). And I don&#8217;t think his position on the subject is an indication that his stage of development is less than yours.  </p>
<p>(By the way, I&#8217;ll bet my life that James Randi would tout that brain probe / NDE phenomena as UNDENIABLE PROOF that NDE&#8217;s are imaginary and invalid. Furthermore, I think it&#8217;s a huge mistake to assume that Randi&#8217;s stage of development and yours are the same, merely because you guys don&#8217;t believe in certain metaphysical phenomena.)</p>
<p>Bill, this area of disagreement with many of your students really doesn&#8217;t<br />
hold a candle to the importance of the work you do for us. And I, for one,<br />
am glad to realize you don&#8217;t know everything. It was getting downright<br />
spooky for me there for a while. </p>
<p> <img src='http://www.centerpointe.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You&#8217;re Amazing!</p>
<p>Bosco</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bill,

You wrote &quot;But let’s say for the sake of argument that there are paranormal abilities out there. Maybe there are, though it’s interesting that no such claims have ever passed the peer-review process (where a study showing such abilities is shown to be repeatable). There are plenty of people claiming that there are studies proving paranormal abilities, but none of them have been accepted by the general scientific community, because they have not been demonstrated to be repeatable (and, many of these studies are clearly ill-formed).&quot;

This is untrue.  In the west such research is poorly published but it does exist.  In Russia and China however it is very well researched. This constant denial in the West by the stupid, blind, ignorant, lying, cheating apes that pretend to be Scientists has to stop.  You should look into this in more depth before you make such statements.

The problem is the western consciousness is poorly developed, short sighted.

All the arangements about levels of consciousness you make are nothing more that opinion arranged to fit an unprovable paradigm and can be easily challenged.   For Example, &quot;Magical Thinking&quot; is given a very low rating in your missive but it actually comes full circle as you fully develope yourself and becomes &quot;Magical Thinking&quot; becomes transcendent mode of thinking.  Whereas taking the view that Good/Evil are simply points of view is not trancendent at all. It is in fact the lowest form of thinking, it is infact insane and clearly so. It is a state of disconnectedness from others and the universe, where true empathy cannot be experienced. It is childish, silly and very very dangerous.  It&#039;s the sort of thinking, you would expect from a Hitler!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bill,</p>
<p>You wrote &#8220;But let’s say for the sake of argument that there are paranormal abilities out there. Maybe there are, though it’s interesting that no such claims have ever passed the peer-review process (where a study showing such abilities is shown to be repeatable). There are plenty of people claiming that there are studies proving paranormal abilities, but none of them have been accepted by the general scientific community, because they have not been demonstrated to be repeatable (and, many of these studies are clearly ill-formed).&#8221;</p>
<p>This is untrue.  In the west such research is poorly published but it does exist.  In Russia and China however it is very well researched. This constant denial in the West by the stupid, blind, ignorant, lying, cheating apes that pretend to be Scientists has to stop.  You should look into this in more depth before you make such statements.</p>
<p>The problem is the western consciousness is poorly developed, short sighted.</p>
<p>All the arangements about levels of consciousness you make are nothing more that opinion arranged to fit an unprovable paradigm and can be easily challenged.   For Example, &#8220;Magical Thinking&#8221; is given a very low rating in your missive but it actually comes full circle as you fully develope yourself and becomes &#8220;Magical Thinking&#8221; becomes transcendent mode of thinking.  Whereas taking the view that Good/Evil are simply points of view is not trancendent at all. It is in fact the lowest form of thinking, it is infact insane and clearly so. It is a state of disconnectedness from others and the universe, where true empathy cannot be experienced. It is childish, silly and very very dangerous.  It&#8217;s the sort of thinking, you would expect from a Hitler!</p>
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		<title>By: Kristyna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristyna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 16:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Appendage: The fact that we can hear our own thoughts and see our own dreams is a kind of &quot;magic&quot; also don&#039;t you think? What science can disprove that....they have been able to prove that the brain thinks...but what it invents? Magic. I am smiling</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Appendage: The fact that we can hear our own thoughts and see our own dreams is a kind of &#8220;magic&#8221; also don&#8217;t you think? What science can disprove that&#8230;.they have been able to prove that the brain thinks&#8230;but what it invents? Magic. I am smiling</p>
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		<title>By: Kristyna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristyna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 14:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoy writing sci-fi and fantasy for adolescents as my retirement hobby. Yet have never looked upon the concept of &quot;magic&quot; as real. To me it belongs to a world of creativity, is a form of parable, where the story can end well, be uplifting and fun to read.  As with drawings of creatures and dragons, it is surreal, meant more for entertainment, a temporary escape, than as a substitute for rationality and the real world. Bill helps to put that real world into  perspective.

Having read, and seen the &quot;Secret&quot;, I did not identify with the concepts in it as some kind of affirmation that &quot;magic&quot; does exits in reality...I have fun with that idea. However, there are those out there who take every word in that book quite literally. Their gullibilty is based on desperation and lack of self-esteem, which is so so prevalent. But this can be changed by taking action, making an effort.

Bill has respoded very well. And yes, as a former video and film editor, I can see how the deleted content of what he may have said while filming the &quot;SECRET&quot; ended in the deleted bin. 

Our society is plagued with an onslaught of information, some of which is of value and does enhance our lives, much of it is garbage and full of false promises and &quot;the easy way &quot; which never ever works...... The harsh reality is that without making a conscious effort to enhance one&#039;s abilities, potential for improvement, (enrolling in the Holosync program is part of what I am engaged in) one cannot expect to merely twitch one&#039;s nose to make whatever one wants to happen appear. LOL

I apologize for the length of my comments. Not familiar with Blogging, I had no idea that the volume of reading would be this large. My apology for making it even longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoy writing sci-fi and fantasy for adolescents as my retirement hobby. Yet have never looked upon the concept of &#8220;magic&#8221; as real. To me it belongs to a world of creativity, is a form of parable, where the story can end well, be uplifting and fun to read.  As with drawings of creatures and dragons, it is surreal, meant more for entertainment, a temporary escape, than as a substitute for rationality and the real world. Bill helps to put that real world into  perspective.</p>
<p>Having read, and seen the &#8220;Secret&#8221;, I did not identify with the concepts in it as some kind of affirmation that &#8220;magic&#8221; does exits in reality&#8230;I have fun with that idea. However, there are those out there who take every word in that book quite literally. Their gullibilty is based on desperation and lack of self-esteem, which is so so prevalent. But this can be changed by taking action, making an effort.</p>
<p>Bill has respoded very well. And yes, as a former video and film editor, I can see how the deleted content of what he may have said while filming the &#8220;SECRET&#8221; ended in the deleted bin. </p>
<p>Our society is plagued with an onslaught of information, some of which is of value and does enhance our lives, much of it is garbage and full of false promises and &#8220;the easy way &#8221; which never ever works&#8230;&#8230; The harsh reality is that without making a conscious effort to enhance one&#8217;s abilities, potential for improvement, (enrolling in the Holosync program is part of what I am engaged in) one cannot expect to merely twitch one&#8217;s nose to make whatever one wants to happen appear. LOL</p>
<p>I apologize for the length of my comments. Not familiar with Blogging, I had no idea that the volume of reading would be this large. My apology for making it even longer.</p>
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		<title>By: NW</title>
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		<dc:creator>NW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 08:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Bill,

Thank you many times over for your comitment, love and patience to all people and participants of Holosync and Centerpointe.  Critics and avid followers alike.

This may sound terribly unintellegent compared with others highly thought out comments but I feel saddened by the time that is wasted defending, istead of teaching.  

I think we have all heard of the expression &quot;don&#039;t put your all eggs in one basket.&quot;  Yet, so many are determined to argue their point of view or the person&#039;s point of view they have attached themselves and &quot;their&quot; beliefs to.  I feel that so many are missing the point entirely, instead of recieving the teachings that are meant for thier enlightenment, they are instead picking and proding, trying so desperately to disprove what they signed up for (to help better their lives) to begin with.  When is it that the pupils became the teachers or teachers helpers?  

Isn&#039;t balance and oneness, acceptance of all people, opinions and ways of thinking and interpreting?  Should we not invest ourselves into and learn from all sources, not determining whether they seem right or wrong, if they help us to find and use the tools we need for our sucess.

That is what we came to do, or just me?

I loved The Secret and I love Holosync because they were created for the betterment of man/womenkind.  

It is painfully true, and a shame, that we really can not please all people, but please keep up the great work any how! 

Take care,
NW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Bill,</p>
<p>Thank you many times over for your comitment, love and patience to all people and participants of Holosync and Centerpointe.  Critics and avid followers alike.</p>
<p>This may sound terribly unintellegent compared with others highly thought out comments but I feel saddened by the time that is wasted defending, istead of teaching.  </p>
<p>I think we have all heard of the expression &#8220;don&#8217;t put your all eggs in one basket.&#8221;  Yet, so many are determined to argue their point of view or the person&#8217;s point of view they have attached themselves and &#8220;their&#8221; beliefs to.  I feel that so many are missing the point entirely, instead of recieving the teachings that are meant for thier enlightenment, they are instead picking and proding, trying so desperately to disprove what they signed up for (to help better their lives) to begin with.  When is it that the pupils became the teachers or teachers helpers?  </p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t balance and oneness, acceptance of all people, opinions and ways of thinking and interpreting?  Should we not invest ourselves into and learn from all sources, not determining whether they seem right or wrong, if they help us to find and use the tools we need for our sucess.</p>
<p>That is what we came to do, or just me?</p>
<p>I loved The Secret and I love Holosync because they were created for the betterment of man/womenkind.  </p>
<p>It is painfully true, and a shame, that we really can not please all people, but please keep up the great work any how! </p>
<p>Take care,<br />
NW</p>
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		<dc:creator>Tally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 00:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much sand, so many deserts to cross ... be happy, be blessed that we have a friend like Bill to help us in our journeys ... may we rise above, enjoy the life we have as we carve the life we want, leave the nits to pick themselves, and thank whatever entity it is we thank that we&#039;re here to do it at all.

The tea and cakes invite to Cambridge, UK, still stands any time, Bill :-).

Love Tally x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much sand, so many deserts to cross &#8230; be happy, be blessed that we have a friend like Bill to help us in our journeys &#8230; may we rise above, enjoy the life we have as we carve the life we want, leave the nits to pick themselves, and thank whatever entity it is we thank that we&#8217;re here to do it at all.</p>
<p>The tea and cakes invite to Cambridge, UK, still stands any time, Bill <img src='http://www.centerpointe.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>Love Tally x</p>
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