This post will be a quick response to some criticisms and misunderstandings about my last post about The Secret. Then, in a few days, I’ll post something new about levels of cognitive development as outlined by the great Jean Piaget. I think you’ll find this discussion to be particularly interesting.
Okay, onward. Someone posted a comment charging that Ken Wilber’s and my definition of magical thinking is “vague” and “not backed up by concrete examples.” It isn’t vague at all. First of all…
…you can check out Ken’s book, Sex, Ecology, Spirituality, for 51 detailed pages about magical thinking, offering an academically rigorous description accepted by pretty much all developmental psychologists and based on research that has been accepted by the mainstream for at least 70 or 80 years, done by the great Jean Piaget (and others).
I don’t have the time here to go into the details of these 51 pages (plus quite a few pages of end notes), and most of you would not want to delve into this as deeply and in as academic a manner as Ken has done. If you are interested, though, google Jean Piaget, and get a copy of Sex, Ecology, Spirituality and read it (it is a brilliant book, though quite a tome–about 850 pages).
The bottom line is that there is NO QUESTION that 1) all people go through a stage of magical thinking while growing up, 2) that some people, especially if traumatized during this stage, continue to think this way into adulthood, 3) that some societies’ entire center of gravity is at this stage, and that magical thinkers are part of all societies, including those of developed nations, and that 4) that this sort of thinking is definitely less functional and less resourceful than that of later stages.
My next post, which will describe development in what is called the cognitive line, should clear up some of the desire for “more examples.”
I was also asked about the difference between “putting it out to the universe” (which I have labeled as magical thinking) and “focusing your attention on what you want” (which I have strongly advocated). The assumption was that focusing on what you want is magical thinking, too, and that I’m being inconsistent in advocating it while at the same pointing out the drawbacks of magical thinking.
So let me clarify the destinction between the two. Magical thinking, in adults, involves 1) wishing for or believing that the normal laws of nature can be suspended, so that 2) one can get something (generally FOR HIM OR HERSELF, or someone in their immediate group rather than for the good of society as a whole) 3) with little or no effort, or without somehow paying any sort of price or doing something for it (in other words, getting something for nothing).
This way of looking at how to get something in the world is pre-rational, in the sense that it fails to see that to get an effect, there must be a cause–that to get something, you must DO something to get it, and that what you do to get something or create something is subject to the normal laws of physics.
This perspective is also narcissistic in the sense that it wants something for ME–but without actually doing something, paying some sort of price, being of service in some way, etc. It’s the idea that other people, or the universe in general, should provide you with whatever you want, just because you want it (as opposed to you doing something to get it). It’s the idea that you can or should get what you want without taking conventional actions or giving something in return.
In developmental psychology, narcissism doesn’t mean an unhealthy obsession with thinking only about yourself (the common pop psychology view). Narcissism actually means that you can’t think about yourself. The capacity for self-reflexive awarness doesn’t exist yet, so the world is seen as an extension of yourself. Because the distinction between me and not-me is still fuzzy, the narcissist is unable to take the perspective of another person. This makes it seem as if it’s all about them–and that when they put out to the universe a wish or desire it will be (or ought to be) granted. This is how a small child thinks–mommy and daddy will grant my wishes (and I’ll be plenty pissy if they don’t). This is a reasonable perspective for children, but not for adults.
Focusing your attention on what you want, on the other hand, is the first step in a much more mature process of taking action to achieve something in the world. It involves no suspension of the laws of nature, but rather is a cooperation with those laws. And though the outcome might involve ME getting something I want, it’s not totally self-centered because it realizes that 1) I must take action to get what I want (I can’t just wish for it, or assume that the universe is here to give me what I want whether or not I do anything in return), and 2) the action must somehow be of value in some way, or must actually have an effortful, cause and effect connection to what I want.
If I want to be an author, I must learn to write, I must spend time writing, and I must write something people want to read.
To get money, I must provide something to those who are (hopefully) going to give up their money, and it must be something they (not I) believe is at least as valuable as the money.
To get love, the giver of the love must also get something in return–it’s a circle, a relationship, not a one-way street. Yes, I know, real love is freely given, but if you want love and give no love in return, you’re going to have to find someone who is a saint in order to be loved, and most people aren’t saints. As the Beatles said, the love you get is equal to the love you give (or something like that).
To get someone’s time or attention, I must do something that makes the person want to give up that time or attention.
To get a better job, I must look for one, show up for interviews, show the prospective employer how I will benefit him or her, I must have skills that are wanted, and so forth.
Whatever I do must be of value or in some way have a cause and effect relationship to what I want in return. This is basic “Law of Attraction” stuff, and very different than just “putting it out to the universe.” The first involves the Wish Fairy. The second involves you doing something to get what you want.
And, by the way, as a person moves to higher levels of development, one’s focus moves more and more to what can be done for others, rather than what one gets for oneself. To do this, one’s developmental perspective must move to a place where you can take the perspective of other, something magical thinkers have trouble doing. This other-oriented perspective is what I described as being at work in my own life, where my needs are now met to such a high degree that my own needs, while of course important to me, are just no longer what I focus on (you don’t focus on finding food when your stomach is full).
Instead, I focus on meeting your needs. As a result, my needs are automatically met (again, the Law of Attraction at work). Any fear of whether or not my needs will be met is gone, and my focus is now about helping others–which also makes my life very fulfilling. This is the stage Maslow describes as “self-actualization.” In order to reach this stage, other levels of need fulfillment must first be met: physiological needs, safety needs, love/belonging/social needs, esteem needs, cognitive needs, and aesthetic needs. Because these needs are met in my case, I no longer focus on them. I am, however, as a teacher, endeavoring to help people who have not yet been able to handle these lower levels of need fulfillment, and one of the roadblocks to doing so is often magical thinking.
It was also pointed out that I endorse The Sedona Method, which the writer claims to be magical thinking. The Sedona Method, the writer claims, says that “releasing wants” causes the objects of one’s desires to manifest. This is, however, not at all what the Sedona Method says. The Sedona Method is a way of letting go of attachments (or aversions) and the emotions that go with them, and is based on a thinking perspective at the much later Integral or Transcendent level of development. It’s a quick way to get yourself out of what I have often referred to as The Game of Black and White, where the main game rule is “White Must Win.” Your ideas about good and bad, and the emotions that such ideas create are, according to the Sedona Method, illusion, and releasing them leads to freedom.
Hale Dwoskin, the main teacher of the Sedona Method, has never said that releasing is a way to manifest your desires–though he has said that people who release are happier, and ironically such people do tend to get more of whatever they need. Someone who sees the Sedona Method as a way to “get stuff” is looking at it, in fact, from a magical perspective, and then thinking that their projection is intrinsically part of the method, when in fact the magic is coming from them.
In fact, Hale asks people to release not just negative emotions (aversions), but positive ones, too (attachments). I don’t have room here to go into the genius of The Sedona Method, but it’s really just a skillful way to experientially demonstrate a non-dual perspective, based on the same point of view expressed by all enlightened individuals throughout history. Behind the actual methodology, the Sedona Method is based on the point that all ideas about anything–and the emotions generated by those ideas–are illusory, and that when you drop all of this mentally generated conceptual stuff, you see that everything is pure happiness, bliss, and perfection. At some point I will go into this much more deeply. There is, however, nothing magical about it.
Confusing the Sedona Method with magic is a great example of the pre/post fallacy I mentioned in my last post, where post-conventional and preconventional views are confused because both are “not conventional.” However, there is a huge difference between pre- and post-conventional.
I was also asked if I think shamanism is a legitimate pathway to transcendental consciousness, since I have said that magical thinkers want to revive “ancient ways” as a solution to modern problems, and have said that this is not a solution. In fact, I cited this as an example of regressive thinking (see my discussion of the “pre/post fallacy” in my last post). First of all, I didn’t specifically mention shamanism. But for your information, I know several shamans and I participate, actually quite regularly, in several very powerful shamanic practices. I don’t see these practices, though, from a magical perspective, but rather from the perspective I’m currently living from. In fact–and this is really the key to all such questions asked by many of you–everyone sees whatever they are experiencing from whatever perspective they are at.
Shamanism, in general, DOES come from a magical perspective, though it’s very possible that some modern shamans are operating at perspectives beyond preconventional (I know at least one who is). Here is the key: if a person is coming from a preconventional, magical point of view, they will interpret whatever they experience, whatever they see, from that view. If a preconventional shaman drinks Ayahuasca (a powerful plant-based brew that creates mystical experiences), for instance, they will interpret the experiences they have from that perspective, that point of view. If they heal their clients, that healing will be interpreted from that preconventional point of view.
It’s the interpretation that is magical, not whatever they are doing, per se. If a shaman gives someone sacred plants in order to put them in an altered state, their interpretation will be that certain spirits in the plants created the person’s experience (a magical view), whereas I might say that certain chemical substances in the plants created certain profound shifts in consciousness (all of which can be explained in a non-magical way), and that these shifts in awareness are similar to those attained when someone meditates many hours a day for many years.
I was also asked about esp and paranormal abilites. First of all, as another poster said, magician James Randi has a foundation (the James Randi Educational Foundation), one goal of which is to support research into paranormal claims in controlled, scientific experimental conditions. The foundation offers a prize (currently one million dollars) to anyone who can demonstrate paranormal abilities under controlled, scientific conditions. Though the size of the prize has grown over the years, Randi has offered some sort of financial prize since 1964. No one has ever demonstrated anything that allowed them to claim the prize. You can google James Randi, or look him up on Wikipedia to learn more about this.
But let’s say for the sake of argument that there are paranormal abilities out there. Maybe there are, though it’s interesting that no such claims have ever passed the peer-review process (where a study showing such abilities is shown to be repeatable). There are plenty of people claiming that there are studies proving paranormal abilities, but none of them have been accepted by the general scientific community, because they have not been demonstrated to be repeatable (and, many of these studies are clearly ill-formed).
But again, let’s say that paranormal abilities exist. Just as with shamanism, any such abilities will be interpreted from the developmental level of the person who is observing them. A magical thinker will see them as evidence of magic. A conventional thinker will probably think they are bullshit, unless there is some evidence, in which case they will see, or at least begin to look for, a rational explanation. A post-conventional or integral thinker will see these abilities in still other ways (which we don’t have room to go into here). And so forth. Whatever developmental level a person is at, that perspective will determine their interpretation of what they see.
ANYTHING that happens, any experience, anywhere, will be interpreted from the point of view of the interpreter’s perspective (ie, their developmental level). If what people call paranormal abilities exist, they aren’t proof of magic, or of the suspension of the laws of nature, any more than electricity or magnetism or the aurora borealis are evidence of magic. All of these were, at one point, seen as magic (and still are by cultures with a magical center of gravity). Now we know what causes them–and it ain’t magic.
The claim was also made that Ken Wilber is “biased” against earlier levels of development. When people say something like this, it leads me to believe that they either haven’t read him or, if they have, they didn’t understand what they read. Levels of development are perspectives. By definition, a wider, more inclusive perspective sees things more clearly. Such a perspective isn’t better in an “I’m better than you” sense, but it is more resourceful and more complete. It’s a wider view. It takes into account more of the existing interrelationships. This particular writer sets up a straw man (in other words, argues against something I never said) when he says, “…are adults “better” than babies, and if so, should be throw them out?” Neither Ken, nor I, have ever said that someone at a higher level of development is “better,” and no one is saying that a child’s perspective is WRONG. It’s just the perspective they have, given their experience of life, so far. It is, though, less complete, less inclusive, less broad–and less functional.
Neither have Ken nor I said that people at lower levels of development should be “thrown out.” In fact, everyone (as both of us have said many times), starts at square one and must go through each level, in order, just as an embryo must go through certain physiological developmental stages, in order. Many people stop at lower levels of development either because that’s where their culture’s or family’s center of gravity is or because they suffered some sort of trauma which arrests their growth. But because everyone starts at the beginning, there will always be people at every level of development.
We don’t condemn children for being at their particular level of development, but we do help them to move on to the next level when they are ready (which is when the previous level stops working as a way of making sense of their world).
And, as an aside, while someone is at a certain level of development what we’re really hoping for is a healthy manifestation of that level. There are healthy and unhealthy versions of every level of development. Life can fail to work at any developmental level if a person is exhibiting a pathological version of that level. Or it can fail to work because their environment changes and their current level no longer works or makes sense in that environment (for instance, when a young child goes off to school, or an college graduate enters the work force). Either way, something needs to be done either to create a healthy way of being at the current level or, if necessary, to get the person to the next level.
This is, in fact, very much what my work with you is all about. I’m helping you become more functional at your current level, or helping you move to the next level in your growth. The first is called horizontal development, while the latter is called vertical development. Both are valuable (and both are strongly facilitated by Holosync, and by the knowledge products we offer at Centerpointe).
The same writer said that “infantile desires (for security, for stimulation, etc.) are at the root of all adults’ rational thoughts,” and that if we eliminate magical thinking we eliminate everything that’s built upon it, including rational and post rational thought.
First, infantile desires are NOT at the root of all adult thought. Infantile desires are at the root of the thoughts of adults who are at an infantile level of development. Some adults actually have moved on to more mature, more highly developed, ways of being in the world. That’s what development is all about. It’s true that each level builds on those that went before, transcending and including, to use Ken’s terminology. Transcending, though, means that the unworkable aspects of the previous level are transcended, while the parts that are necessary building blocks are included. Belief in magic isn’t a necessary building block, so it is (hopefully) transcended as the move to the next higher level is made.
Consider this in terms of development in the physical world. At some point some amount of time after the Big Bang, atoms developed into molecules. Molecules transcend atoms, in the sense that molecules have attributes atoms do not and cannot have. They also include the atoms as building blocks, but at the same time they have jetisoned some of the ways of being in the world that were common to atoms. Those ways are gone, even though the atoms are still there as parts of the molecule (oxygen in a water molecule does not behave in the same way it did when it was free oxygen).
In the same way, some aspects of how you see the world are building blocks for the next level, the next perspective, but some of what went on at the lower level is lost, gone, ditched. It is transcended by better ways of existing. We don’t need to keep magical thinking in order to develop, so it is (in a healthy person) transcended. Little bits of it remain in the way we cross our fingers or carry a lucky charm for good luck or wish upon a star, but few people really believe that such things actually are the cause of what happens.
Again, I’ve never said that we should get rid of magical thinkers. I didn’t even say that people should necessarily give up that sort of thinking. I said that no one goes to the next developmental stage until the previous stage doesn’t work for them any longer. So, let me be clear here. I am saying–to those who read this and are hoping that some sort of magic, some sort of suspension of the laws of nature, some sort of narcissistic wishing for your needs to be met without you doing anything in return is a good way to succeed in the world–IF you are struggling to get by, if you can’t make enough money, IF you cannot get a fulfulling life going, IF you are frustrated about your ability to create a good relationship, get a good job, make enough money, or in some way are having trouble succeeding in the world…it may very well be that magical thinking isn’t a very resourceful way to be in the world, and you might consider giving it up in favor of a way of being in the world that works better.
So, with that off my chest, with my next post I’m going to go into Piaget and his model of cognitive development (rather than flogging this dead horse any longer). MANY peoples’ comments have argued against things I never said–which is one reason why I’ve ignored most of them–and I suspect that such comments will continue, no matter how careful I am to be clear about what I say. I will strive to be more clear, so as to diminish the possibility that people will misunderstand, but I don’t have room to write a book about each topic, or to cover every possible contingency, exception, or possible misinterpretation.
I hope you’re all finding this interesting and helpful.
Be well.
On a completely different note:
Genpo Roshi (the highest ranking Zen master in the world outside of Japan) and I will be presenting a two-day workshop in Los Angeles on February 9th & 10th. Working with Genpo in person is AMAZING. Though he probably wouldn’t toot his own horn, I can: Genpo is a true enlightened master. At the same time, he’s also a regular person. He’s an American, rides a Harley, drinks beer–and I’ve never met anyone who is so comfortable in his own skin and so naturally embodies what enlightenment is all about.
He’s also an amazing teacher. His Big Mind process is, in my opinion and in the opinion of a lot of other people (including Ken Wilber and the incredibly highly evolved people that hang around with him) the biggest innovation in spiritual growth of the last several hundred years. (And that’s saying something.)
Why do I say this? Because this process allows you to directly experience transcendent states of oneness and enlightened awareness that ordinarily take decades of meditation to attain–but in less than three hours! I’ve even seen hardened reform school kids do this process, and in doing it speak from this transcendent state, saying the same things the Buddha said, in the same words. When you go into this state, everything is obvious, and you report the same insights that come with enlightenment–because you’re there. (Admittedly, this is a peak experience of Big Mind, and to fully embody this state you must do some sort of daily practice–such as Holosync–but a peak experience of this sort is REALLY a peak experience!)
Genpo and I share a desire to take what has been esoteric and share it with as many people as possible, so though Genpo still leads some traditional Zen trainings, he’s moving toward teaching to a broader group of people. What we’re doing is taking the essence of the wisdom of enlightenment and presenting it, without any unnecessary cultural trappings, so everyone can benefit from it.
So in this seminar I’ll be providing the context, the explanation. I will be providing the frame that allows you to make sense of the experience, while Genpo will provide the experience.
The Big Mind process does more than show you enlightened states, however. How could there be more than that, you ask? As part of the Big Mind process, Genpo will ask you to speak from certain internal voices, certain aspects of yourself. Speaking from these voices, what a psychologist might call “sub-personalities,” heals any shadow material in these aspects of yourself. This creates huge shifts, huge positive changes. And, quite frankly, I’ve never seen anyone more skillful at working with people than Genpo.
So, I’d like to invite you to be at this workshop. It will be February 9-10 in Los Angeles, and it will be, I promise, a truly life-changing event. Anyone who has been to a Centerpointe retreat knows that my events are life-changing, and I can vouch for the fact that spending two days with Genpo Roshi will give you (and I really mean this) years of growth in one weekend.
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And, after Thanksgiving, I’ll be sharing a new post about levels of cognitive development. This is, I promise, some fascinating stuff.
Be well.
Bill,
I personally appreciate all the work you and many others are doing. I was recently asked by someone if I had seen the secret? I said yes, it was great and I bought three copies, gave two away and have one to loan to people. They asked me what I thought? I described the Secret like it was the icing on a cake. When you see a delicious cake with an appealing icing you want to eat it. Well, that is where all you and the others doing the work referred to in the Secret comes into play. The Secret makes you want to learn the receipe of how to make the cake. So that is what I’m doing right now. Practicing learning how to make the cake. It takes practice to make the cake and icing delicious.
I am enjoying Holosync. It has added a new texture to my deep life and made the more difficult aspects easier to handle. I’ve listened to your cd of a workshop and I was reading all of the blog material.
I found your last few to be a bit of a diatribe. Your testy responses are a bit confusing only because you are a little bit in a “teacher” position to many people.
I personally don’t take on “teachers” or “guru’s” because I have a rich magical life that includes contact with my Spirit Guides. They led me to use Holosync during a wild unexpected change in career.
I hope that you may find more tolerance with Holosyncers that dream or may be seeking a teacher figure so that may learn from this wonderful process as well as the more linear personality types.
My “aunt sally” always comes through with dough after I’ve requested an inflow of money from Universe/Source. Always in a strange way from an unexpected source when there is a sudden need and no logical way to match the need.
Coincidences do not exist.
Dear Bill,
As someone who appreciates your writing, – your CLEAR writing – I feel a sense of frustration on your behalf when someone writes in with a way-off-base “comment”. Usually, their “comment” is an accusation. I laugh my head off when in the comic strip “Dilbert”, Dilbert says something completely clearly yet his pointy-headed boss still mangles it! This material in your blog is more serious than a comic strip, yet I have no cause to despair, for two good reasons:
1) You’re a “big boy”, as the saying goes, and you handle your criticisms very well. Which just gives all of us readers a chance to learn even more.
And,
2) If someone is bothering to write in, even to say something COMPLETELY misguided, at least they are in the right place to be disabused of it! Thank you for doing that about “The Secret”! Thank you!
Separate from that, I must echo Stephen’s request when he asked you to comment on Feng Shui. In a mystical, metaphysical way, it’s so-o-o appealing. Yet, I too struggle with the idea that people can get unexpectedly rich by moving the furniture around! Raise your threshold by pushing your brain, yes; get rich by moving furniture? Hmm!
Striving for oneness,
Kat
Hi Bill,
Thank you for your insight. It is very detailed.
Thier is nothing to proof to anyone about magic. The own consciousness will answer to all the questions.
I think that magic is everything that cannot be explained or understand “scientifically.
A lot of humans know that thier are many kind of energies. Basically their are only 2 kinds of energies: left turning and right turning.
Left turning energy destroys life, and we can see some examples in nature like most huracanes, typhoons, poisoning, cancer, etc.
Right turning energy creates or generates life, like oxigen, clean water, happiness and love.
So, if we mostly cannot see physically love it doesn´t mean that it doesn´t exist, and maybe it cannot be prooven in a lab.
Another example could be lets say a glass full of wine. If we give it enough right turning energy, the taste will change as if it would mature 3 to 5 years, and most common man cannot see this energy, but the physical properties will be different.
One last example, talking about a trascendant state. We cannot proof that someone is already enlightened, maybe because their is nothing to proof, or we could also say that why we have to proof it scientifically?
Blessings,
Arun
I love your new blog. it has answered so many questions. it is also making everything so clear. Thank-you.
Mary-Ann
Hi Bill,
However, I don’t quite understand the idea that after all desire, attachments, duality is striped away, what’s left is love and perfection. Isn’t love an attachment and something that we consider positive, and inherently an aspect of this system of duality that our mind creates? Do you refer to Ultimate Reality as love because it is so amazing and beyond anything we can fathom, and love is the closest thing we have to relating to something like that?
I have enjoyed reading your blogs, and have been seeing the benefits from using Holoync for two months now. I follow the concepts of universal oneness, and the beautiful Buddhist-esque concepts you refer to in your blogs.
Could you e-mail me if you get a chance? I’d really appreciate it. I’m an Anthropology, Philosophy major at UCLA and heard that we have a Mindfulness Awareness Research Center on campus…do you know anything about it? I look forward to the next blog!
Thanks,
Christina
Hello Bill,
Everything you do is world class. Please keep doing it!
It seems to me that there is no material difference between focusing our minds on what we want and taking action to make it happen. The one INEVITABLY follows the other. And if not, doesn’t is simply mean that we are not focusing our minds where we ‘think’ we are?
Thank you for your excellent teachings
John
P.S. “You can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time.” John Lydgate.
Bill,
Having been studying with you these past few years, I have changed from magical thinking to focusing on what I want and taking the action to bring it into manifestation. Instead of studying “the Secret” I study things that will help me bring the skills to manifest what I want. At first I was concerned about losing my connection to the Divine and Grace that carried me through times of trials and tribulations, but that didn’t happen. I am more connected to a Power greater than myself and because my mind, emotions and Internal Map is in alignment with my desire to be of service, I am much more effective. Thank you for your clairity and patience.
As I was reading your Blog, I realized that the next level of Spirituality is to see the Big Picture and see that the more we support each others development, the more we are connected.
Thank you Bill:
I appreciate the patience you show in answering the arguments that come up. Further explanation and clarification do add reinforcement to new concepts – but I don’t think they’ve been needed because you’re not clear about what you say. You speak clearly! Your first blog on magical thinking was they eye opener for me. (There was that moment of “oh my god, I do that! And then the realization of how silly and incomplete that is.) I understood what you were saying….you were clear!
Thank you for Holosync, the Map of Reality Expander Course and this blog. It’s an exciting journey!
Diane
Bill,
What are your views on the “Law of Attraction” as taught by the entity Abraham through Jerry and Esther Hicks?
Good stuff
Bill,
Let me ask a question. Where would you place Christian Science practitioning (healing) within this discussion? Are the practitioner’s statements that “You are the creation of a perfect God, God’s perfect reflection. The perception of disease is simply an error. Once the error is released, no longer believed in, the illusion of disease will disappear.” That’s a fairly shorthanded summary, but does that smack of magical thinking? One does not get healed for free – one must give up the error – the sin – of doubt and lack of faith – or lack of obedience to God’s laws, but healing does occur. Physics or metaphysics? Mental alignment or magical thinking?
Thanks! Listening to holosync now!
ASM
Bill thanks a lot for the magical thinking discussion, the way you do it with plain, simple, every day language is great for a “real” understanding of the subject. This blog is 10 times more powerful than mind chatter, it is very powerful to be able to have a continuous discussion with you about the same subject and tying everything together.
I would like you to address something in one of your future blogs which is the tremendous amount of courses, experiences, technologies that are now available to everyone and how to go about which ones are right for who??? In personal growth is like trying to choose an item from a 500 page menu at a restaurant….
Keep them coming!!!!
Bill,
I am thoroughly enjoying your blog and your articles. Thank You. What you are describing is the natural order of life which is in part, growth. As people, we are entropic, and also conscious and should be; ultimatley, self responsible. Personal growth occurs in humans when we can objectively accept who and what we are, and can then affect a possitive change in whatever chaos is happening in our lives, to create a sense of order until the next period of chaos occurs. Growth is a process which comes from chaos. Without it, we are stagnant. Our beliefs determine the choices we make and the course of action that follows those choices. The Tao of Physics shows us that the line between what we call magic, mysticism or even spiritual or supernatural, is only a label for what we don’t yet understand. Once we have learned that, we call it science because now we have proved it to be repeatable. I find an irony in the fact that knowledge gained not only fosters our growth, but also our limitations. The wise person can see the difference and when it must be applied to our thinking – No easy task.
Dear all ,
I really enjoyed the book The secret as I believe that all that you deserve comes to you if you have a crystal clear heart but was however disappointed to see that every site ,every lesson had to be paid for .I believe that The laws of the Universe are free for all to enjoy and that if one person has the joy of understanding these They should make sure that these principles be shared lovingly for all to enjoy and the Universe itself will take care to repay the good doer
thank you
how very useful thanks bill,for expanding upon majical thinking…..
i used to be around about persons who considered themselves to be `majicians`,and the former considered that to be quite distinct from staged conjuroration,like sawing the lady in half……
the former would claim having done such and csuch a ritual the gods would smile on them. A few days later miraculously, the result of their ritualisations would appear, fortunately not in the form of halved ladies..
theyas belevers in th powers would then produce `irrefutable evidence`,recounting ethusiastically how the miracle happened…auspicously,at a certain juxstapose of cosmic events,like a full moon, their sainted aunt dies and left them a fortune,such proof postive of the greatercosmic working conveniently corresponding exactly to thier treasured superstitions..
it never seemed to enter their minds that if their sainted aunt did indeed die at just the right moment it could have been their ritual which was causative…
how dare i make such a suggestion was their usual repose,they only did good majic..and in any case the Great Referee in the Universe would not allow such……
such majical thinking.
Hello Bill I Likked you glossy look Mind Chatter better then this new format.
Is it possible to have both. Or make the blog look more like a magazine.
The content is good as always.
Kind regards, Paul
Dear Bill,
I’m with you and with Holosinc for one year. I’m also following all your comments and i try to read asmuch as my time allows, books that you recommend, or I just find myself in the personal growth area ( that’s the way, by coincidence, I’ve already read some book of Ken Wilber, before coming in discussion in your blog discussions.
I’m telling all above, because I just would like to tell to ALL these people that are arguing with you, waisting your time for unfruitful explanations to just, all of them, SHUT-UP and LISTEN !! Try to understand in the RIGHT WAY !! These people try to TEACH US GOOD , if you don’t understand, READ MORE !!
Bill – please do not get discouraged !! Go ahead, the big mass of silent listeners is the important one for you – and we are many !! We don’t even breath – not to waist your precious time, in which you teach us.
You really make a GREAT JOB for us !
Thank you !
Emilia
Hi Bill.
You are a fantastic writer! This last post finally clarified so much that I didn’t quite understand before. You are so right, that there is no such thing as something for nothing. People watch The Secret and even though it is mentioned a couple of times that taking action is required, they choose to ignore this and see the law of attraction as a magical force. Yet, I watched it, and I understood that action was required. We come from our own perspective.
As a personal growth advisor, I have people come to me all the time asking how to create MSIs, or how to “get” a million dollars. And I tell them, “The money is a by-product, not the point.” You don’t just look at a fake $1,000,000 bill and think about money more of the time and a *boom* an 18 wheeler filled with hundreds shows up in front of your house. And what would be the meaning in one’s life if that DID happen? That one’s entire existence is about generating more income or assets? What an empty way to live, I would guess.
I have found that most people really do want something for nothing. For instance, they find it extremely difficult to commit to a daily spiritual practice. They ask me how I attract things so easily (for the record, not in every area of my life … but in certain areas, very easily). I tell them it took me five solid years of daily meditation and learning to live in the now of my life before I became blissful and things fell into place effortlessly. Let me just clarify that by “effortlessly,” I am not saying I did not take any action. I was taking LOTS of action on things that I felt passionately about, and when I did (and do) this, circumstances fell/fall into place easily for me. It felt effortless, because it was such enjoyable and fulfilling action.
I have a question for you: What is your opinion of Abraham-Hicks’ teachings? (This isn’t a trick question … I’m really just wondering.)
Your blog enriches my life.
Elizabeth A. Grant
You mentioned the amazing Randi’s million dollar offer for anyone who can provide scientifically rigorous and repeatable proof for ESP and other supra-sensory experience.
Without falling into the pre-/post- fallacy, it seems that Randi views the “magic” of ESP & etc. as bullshit because he is coming from a conventional perspective. And, from a conventional perspective all magic is bullshit. Mystical experience is bullshit. Near Death Experiences are synapses exploding into dissolution. People who are abducted by little green men are crazy or liars or both.
Yet, once upon a time (only a couple of hundred years ago) meteors falling from the sky were also only reported by crazy people or liars. There was no repeatable scientific evidence that such things occur; and most people did not seem to see them, and few made reports because doing so put one into the crank camp.
My point is, that one probably cannot set-up a rigorous scientific experiment to prove or disprove phenomena that is at a higher level of development (and complexity). Such phenomena will not fit the context. This would be similar to observing oxygen atoms and then denying the existence of water because oxygen atoms act different when combined with hydrogen than they do alone.
Observation tells us that water exists. Observation of supra-mental states or little green men may tell us that such things actually exist.
We may not understand these things and attribute them to magic.
We may conclude that they are unreal or the product of confabulation, since we cannot view them under a microscope and they are not part of any conventional reality that we relate to.
We may realize that magic and conventional wisdom aside there may be something to these phenomena, especially if you happen to have some experience with it. That is not necessarily to say that you have an answer, but instead a question.
I dunno, Carrie, it would appear that the FIRST level of spirituality WAS in seeing the Big Picture and knowing that the more we support each others’ development, the more we are connected. Just as our ancient ancestors inherently perceived and practiced right from the get-go, with their tribes, their clans, their nations. From the beginning, all the great Masters have taught this.
The post that most resonated with me was from Arun, with his less-than-perfect English that nevertheless said it so succinctly: “So, if we mostly cannot see physically love it doesn’t mean that it doesnt exist, and maybe it cannot be prooven in a lab.” And: “One last example, talking about a trascendant state. We cannot proof that someone is already enlightened, maybe because their is nothing to proof, or we could also say that why we have to proof it scientifically?” Well said!!
This blog is indeed Magic! Sharon
I understand that people have gotten offended by the previous posts if they are in the first stage even though you didn’t mean to offend or say anything to offend. I think the reason for that may be because people are constantly ranking each other. I said to my friends recently “Self love isn’t thinking of yourself as better, it’s knowing you are equal to everyone in the world, we all have the same potential as each other and saying someone is better than someone else is only an opinion. It doesn’t mean they ARE better. The people who seem “up themselves” don’t have self love at all, they have pride… they need to keep putting others down and pushing themselves up to try and feel “better” but it never lasts as no one is better than anyone, we’re all equal.” It was a light bulb moment for them and for me when I first got it. And even then my friend still didn’t quite get it as she said “but you can look at a bum on the street and say you’re better.” To which I replied, “Having more things doesn;t make someone better.”
So, what i’m saying is those who got offended saw it as “ranking”, “You’re better if you’re higher..” I can see in this post that you have tried to emphasise the fact that you aren’t “better” than anyone else if you’re in a higher developmental stage so I thought I would comment and say that everyone is equal, and there’s a difference between trying to see yourself as better to being in a higher developmental stage.
Greeting to all fellow Earthings from somewhere out in the swamp,
This thing seems to be degenerating into an exercise in picking nits off a dogs butt.
One could look around and be dazzled and awed by this world and this experience and let the nits be.
Nada
Bill, you achieve high levels of clarity in what you take upon yourself to argue. What is particularly instructive is that you remain humble and teachable – open to new ideas – yet firm in a fair rejection of spurious logic and wobbly reasoning. Great stuff. Love the blog.
Magical, mythical, whatever–move on. The same goes for The Secret. I agree with previous posters, return to your old format. Endless posts on the same material isn’t interesting or useful.
I think Bill is doing a great job. On the subject of harnessing and focusing your thinking, I have (and I’m sure many other people do too) proof of this in my life. Years ago, I wished for a way to support myself and be able to pay my bills, but wishing really didn’t get me anywhere. Then I focused my abilities, dedication, and time into a business that is now entering its 8th year. I was focused, I put energy into it (both mental and physical) and was positive in my thinking. This is also extremely important, not what I would call magical in any way. I was recently working on a project, looking at long term projections, when someone said to me ‘I hope you’re not too disappointed when that doesn’t work out.’ Up until that moment in time, failure on that project was not something that I considered or even had a thought about. Comments like that can do much damage, not only in the manner of thinking but affecting creativity, and those negative (failure) thoughts have to be replaced with positive (successful) ones. Bottom line: Bill is right, you have to put something into something to get something back, and the power of your focused, determined mind to get what you want cannot be denied.
Bill
I just want you to know I understand what you were saying and understanding (magical thinking), for what it really is but without action there is just that. I loved your talk on the subject and I hope others will too. I am just getting started on the program and listening to the dive and on the 29th I start listening to immersion. I don’t like to write, but here I am taking the first step. It may seem trivial to most of your readers but it is a beginning for me.
Thanks
Ron
Thank you for the clarifications Bill,
I enjoy seeing such points of view expressed in sharp precision.
At what level of development does modern science operate?
Bill,
Thank you for your clear thinking and articulation of these concepts. As you know, these are sticky concepts and ones that some do not want to deal with rationally. I truly appreciate you and your commitment to clarifying them.
Hey Bill,
I discovered your teachings in September and since then I’ve become an enthusiastic Holosync meditator and Life Principles course participant.
I greatly appreciate your mental clarity and the time you devote to detailed explanations. I enjoy reading this blog as much for your writing as for the opportunities it presents others to engage with you, to challenge your thinking and to further broaden your perspectives.
You are certainly blessed with a very deep and creative mind, however I would beware of presenting the results of your research and deliberation as objective truth. Even the greatest thinkers have their blind spots, and the universe is infinitely more complex and expansive than the human mind.
As I understand your process of intellectual and spiritual development from what you have shared about yourself, you have studied and learned from many teachers and many traditions and integrated many different perspectives to reach your current level of awareness. My own process is similar, and I was thrilled to be able to add you to my list of ’sources’. Since you yourself can recognize the ‘elements of the puzzle’ that others hold, how is it that you don’t see that you too are gifted with a part of the puzzle but maybe not the entire perspective?
Humility is also a part of mastery!
My sense is that, despite your evident scholarship and deep experience of life, you may be too attached to being right and that your need to defend your ‘model’ at all costs may be blinding you to the existence of certain ‘realities’ which cannot yet be proved or explained by scientific method, but which exist nonetheless.
I believe that the current discussions about ‘magical thinking’, in part provoked by ‘The Secret’, are an essential stage in our collective development which will lead to increased clarity and self-awareness. I welcome the debate. At this stage, many many people are still chewing over the possibility that what they think has something to do with what they experience, and that is a huge step forward in awareness regardless of how exactly the process works.
‘Conscious creation’, or whatever one chooses to call it, is in any case an experiential process of learning, as you have explained over and over in your online course. It cannot be learned from books or blogs or gurus. At some point, you just have to start working with the concept and see what you create or don’t create. Life is the ultimate teacher.
I’m looking forward to your next topic. Keep up the good work.
All the best,
Julian
I believe The Secret is a valuable tool in expanding our thinking. I was not lead to believe that all I had to do was think, and the heavens would open. Clearly action is required. However, enriching thoughts lead to better ideas and the will to see them “materialize”
I found your lengthy disclaimer about your participation in ” The Secret” somewhat disturbing. I have also listened to your series Masters of the Secret and thoroughly enjoyed it. No where in any of those conversations
about the ideas presented in The Secret did you suggest that you had reservations about its message. Reading your subsequent comments (including your clarifications) still leave me viewing this as an about -face.
Sincerely
Nancy
Albeit, it is admirable that you want to do as much as possible to minimize misunderstanding, some people aren’t going to get it no matter what, haven’t got the sense to realize they don’t get and be still so they might grow into getting it.
I have not read all the posts. I have watched and read the book and film. I also have used learned specific techniques for 22 years. Am I allowed to say via The Silva Method. Brilliant! When I learned them, I realised that they are all part of how we ‘are’. The very first deliberate action that had happened to come my way was learning relaxation, so ‘creative visualisation’ extended me. When you listen in the film, you will find that there is a line, something like this. All the teachers meditate for some part of everyday! That is the key! To’activate’ these natural processes, do it. Then you realise that you are using the preverbial ‘keys to the kingdom of heaven’! It is the vehicle! Be it Holysnc, Zen, prayer, relax, meditation, NLP, hypnosis, Sedona etc. YOU fill in the blanks. And yes I use them ALL….. it works because I make sure the blanks are filled with things I DO want in the in between times:) That is the real secret!
Bill,
Thank you for the time and effort you put into your writings. They are truly refreshing and always add a great deal of clarity to understanding the Secret.
Mario Andretti once said that if everything seems under control, you just aren’t going fast enough. We all could stand to pick up the pace in our lives and work to improve. We have to avoid being ruled by either routine or complacency.
One thing that is certain though…whatever magical, mystical or scientific course you choose…you have to know where you want to go before you start planning the trip.
Thank you once again for your inspiration.
All the best,
Jeff
Ok, I read your commment on magical thinking and levels or stages of developement. Can you give an overview of these levels so we can have an open discussion on them? What workstudy materials do you offer that covers these levels?
I’d also like to here from you on the elements that make up a “whole person”. I know you have been exposed to this due to the people you have meet.
Thanks
PS I really enjoyed the overview on the spiritual levels of development you posed.
Em
I’m a first-timer here, and missed all the previous debate. But I enjoyed this post.
I had a couple of thoughts in response.
One thought relates to The Secret. While it may, depending on a student’s inclination toward magical thinking, appear to be some kind of magic wand to “get what you want,” the discipline laid out in The Secret is intense. And to my mind, pretty well aligned with The Sedona Method. A practitioner has to get over every bit of resistance to make this work. That business of believing isn’t just skipping through la-la land, but a form of clarity that is virtually impossible for anyone who is generating internal drama.
I’m a facilitator too, and one of the best growth tools I know is the articulation of personal dreams and pursuit of their manifestation. Our dreams reflect our level of awareness, and getting what we want is one of the quickest ways to evolve, because it clarifies what’s missing and so the next challenge. If The Secret does no more good than getting people without a lot of confidence or skills in articulation and pursuit of goals to start to focus and to experience hope, I think it’s a good thing.
I also think it’s a good thing if it clarifies for them that they have problems believing, because they have chronic arguments with God, the universe, their work, their parents, or however they view the environmental matrix. Or that they’re stumbling over their own rules of the universe that foster distrust and reflect their distrust of themselves.
Persistence on the path of personal development, I think, requires confidence in yourself. It may not be clearly felt that way. It may be a pain-driven search to fix the environment or fix yourself. But at some point, it clearly becomes belief in your own ability to evolve, and that confidence moves on to an expanded belief in the evolutionary nature of everything and your own natural contribution that process.
My favorite description of the levels of development, as articulated in Clare Graves’ work, is found in “The Strategy of the Dolphin” by Paul Kordis and Dudley Lynch. While it’s hard to talk across the levels, this book is largely about working in environments where all levels of perception are active, and how to deal with that. It also makes the point that as individuals we are not “at” one level or another, but operating from different levels in different areas of our lives.
Finally, a thought on the comment that all our perceptions come down to survival-level concerns. I don’t disagree with that. No matter how far you are down the path, if your first-chakra carpet is yanked out from under your feet by disease or deprivation or violence, the structure of personal evolution is going to be heavily taxed. Rapid processing of grief can restore a lot of that structure, but the truth is that our bodies come with the black-and-whiteness of life or death. Our evolution, in this lifetime at least, occurs in the context of survival time.
I suspect the person who said that was trying to get a little left-brain grounding into the discussion. This is the same person who might say, this is all very nice but how does it put a roof over your head and feed your kids. Rhetorically a cheap shot, but only because it’s obvious. And because it begs an answer to a practical question you can only answer in developmental terms. The answer is yes, it’s easier, more joyous and more effective to live with broader awareness and less attachment. How and why? You’ll understand when you get here. In the meantime, take responsibility for yourself and your survival; live and learn.
We are conscious in all the levels we have mastered. They all have their purposes in fully experiencing this life. Survival is the first.
Hi Bill,
Thank you for caring so much. I’ve never subscribed to any blogs before but the truly unbelievable technology you have developped, and your vibe, make it irresitible!
All my best, Vavi.
I guess I’m a hold out for magical thinking.
So, could you accept this argument?
I have (we all have) a next moment of now to experience.
Every moment of now has content.
What deternines the content of the next moment of now?
( This was my question of the decade to mull over for 1990 to 2000 )
The answer I came up with is that the content of the next moment of now is determined by some previous moment (of now).
If you can accept this idea as true enough to continue working with it,
THEN IT NECESSARILY FOLLOWS THAT
the content of this very current moment of now could be the creator of some future, yet to be experienced (content) moment of now.
AHA! This has all the markings of a system, wouldn’t you say?
This system ought to be defined on page one of the How-To instructions in the book of Life. ( I digress, but it is a strongly held opinion of mine)
One thing I can say about control of this system is that it cannot be exercised from the past moment nor a future moment.
So,
“The Point of Power is in the Present”
[Who remembers this phrase and are we dating ourselves if we do remember? : ) ]
It remains now for us to decide whether thinking alone is adequate to the task of controlling the content of a moment. If it is, can we still call it magical thinking? What say you?
Bill,
Thanks again for the great post. While I certainly don’t believe in magical thinking for getting what you want, and I firmly believe that action is required in most cases, I wanted to comment on what you said about paranormal abilities. I have just started holosync and this whole way of thinking as far as pre conventional, post conventional, etc, is relatively new to me, so forgive me if I sound a big ignorant.
However, you stated that paranormal abilities and events can’t occur. Obviously, the Bible lists many examples of Jesus performing miracles, such as turning water into wine, walking on water, feeding the five thousand, etc. I might just be viewing this from one of the first two developmental levels, but these sure seem like miracles or paranormal abilities to me.
How can you scientifically explain these events? I have personally been to Christian conferences and have seen people instantly healed of lifelong afflictions such as poor eyesight, breathing problems, etc.
You mentioned in the post that events such as these always have a scientific reason, and that there is a different way that somebody in the higher two developmental levels would view these events; I would certainly be interested in this.
Again, I want to emphasize that in most cases I don’t believe in magical thinking, such as manifesting money or other things we want. I realize that action is necessary.
However, I would certainly be curious to know how to view miracles, because I have certainly seen them take place, and I can’t deny they happen. I (and I’m sure many others) would be very interested in a post about this. Thanks a lot.
I just remembered: I knew I missed the last bus and I thought “I just want some nice guy to come and give me a ride home.” A man came up to me, chatted and said “Do you want a ride home?” and I said sure. He dropped me off and I never saw him again. Maybe the biggest coincidence of my life.
Or…maybe it could be explained scientifically. Like u sed, particular wavelengths are picked up on, and there are coincidences involved in timings … how many times have I wanted a ride and didnt get one. But it could be he picked up on my wavelength, and it just happened to work out right…which could be called “magical” but also could have a scientific explanation to it.
Maybe big personalities, like Alexander the Great, are simply magnetic and agree with others.
It’s such a fine hair, splitting the line between magic and coincidence. Maybe magic is also faith.
Anyways, it’s an interesting topic.
Bill, how about a trip (with or without Genko) to Australia? If not, could you make the workshop available on-line? Pls let me know cost
I live in country NSW (New South Wales), but would be happy to travel to Sydney or Melbourne to partake in your workshop
What’s more, I have 6 good friends, with whom we meet weekly for self development and growth. Could you tell me whether a tele-conference is possible and price thereof? I appreciate your input
Look forward to your comments, Sincerely, Lorraine
Bill, I understand if you do not have the time to answer this question, but thought I might as well. I am very curious as to what your own personal goals and preferred outcomes are for your own personal growth and evolution. I have moved through and integrated so much in 3 levels of holosync,(complimented with other practices) that I can hardly imagine what it would be like to have gone through all the levels like yourself. Do you even have any emotional issues or psychich “junk” to work with? I hear you say with all the different programs you endorse that you have personally tried the practices, but do you really have anything to practice with? What is your goal from where you are at?
“Your Perspective is Your Reality” a little more concise and to the point even though the explanation presented is precise and the needed details of how this is accomplished or achieved is explained. A quote from “Do You Have An Owner’s Manual For Your Brain”.
Prayer for the Eyes of the Soul
Eyes of my Soul, look steadily at this new comrade of my journey.
Survey him well, that we shall not mistake each other by judgments based upon dust or speech frames.
Look patiently upon his lack of remembrance or even hostility.
Turn upon him no repetition of his own mood, but instead greet him serenely, as if he had never been a day absent from this proper sphere.
Let no gleam of reproach escape these orbs to injure the misguided pilgrim.
Gaze as if to say, “Yours faithfully,” whatever shall come to pass.
Remember what a long history lies behind a single exalted salute from the eyes of the soul.
The joy at the meeting of the paths that we journey on is one of bliss.
Of this I am most humbly grateful.
Thanks Bill
As a practioner of the mind-body method, I appreciate your practical and candid approach to this seemingly “magical” concept.
Hi Bill,
Thank you for your clarity, the wonderful posts and to all your responders. This is great and fascinating stuff! I am familiar with some of what you said and I agree.
We certainly are all at different develomental levels and with the Holosync tool, we can move on up to the next level. David Hawkins book Power vs. Force is another interesting way of looking at developmental levels.
I am anxious to learn and look forward to your next blog.
Sincerely, Anna
I appreciate all this talk about developmental stages, in part because it’s become clear to me that I have magical thinking in some areas of my life (not very highly functioning areas at that.) It’s actually a big releif to know that I am probably needing to move on to the next level and that there’s hope that someday I’ll find it less difficult to function well in these areas.
Have you ever noticed that when you’re in a group of people who are very prerational, people who are big believers in ‘putting it out to the universe’, that one of their ways of dealing with your not seeing the emperors new clothes is to say that if you were as ‘evolved’ and as ’special’ as they are, then you would see them. The fact that you don’t see the magic only proves there is something wrong with you. I spent years feeling ashamed that a lot of the hog wash these people were spewing just didn’t make sense to me. Now I think I see why.
Also, does it seem like the middle, rational stage, is not all that highly regarded by either the pre or post rationalists? It seems like the dark worm hole we all have to pass through to get to the other side where we get that, while magic in the abra cadabra sense of the world doesn’t exhist, there are many wonderful mysteries out there that seem like magic but that we figure someday someone will create a better instrument with which to see what’s actually going on. Any how, I hope I don’t have to become a republican while I’m in the rational stage…Take it easy Lauren
Thank you, Bill, for your untiring efforts to dispel readers’ misconceptions and for acting as a cushion between us & our growing pains.
To my dear, fellow readers:
I think what matters most about this blog is not necessarily to agree (or disagree) with everything that Bill (or any of us) says, but rather to find our own interpretation of the topics, apply what we believe is best for our lives, and BE OK WITH IT. The 9 Principles apply here as well!
If we post comments coming from anger, it shows that we are not prepared to digest someone else’s point of view and also takes time away from the overall progress of the blog (and it makes Bill’s work harder!). If we don’t agree, a respectful comment is always taken the best way, and in case of doubt, perhaps we can look for information from other sources as well for “roundness”.
It seems like most people are on a positive attitude, which is the whole point of being part of this. After all, this IS entitled the “blog that ATE mind chatter”. Let’s not let the mind chatter eat US!
Thank you all for sharing!
Peace and continuous growth,
Carli.
Thank you for this discussion and explanation of levels of development of consciousness. I would appreciate it if you could provide some guidelines or suggestions for how people at different levels of development can communicate effectively with each other. How does a post-conventional (or transcendant) employer communicate with a magical or conventional level employee, and vice versa? What about other relationships such as parent and grown child or spouse or friends?
Thank you,
Dianne
For anyone using holosync who has not had a pyschic or paranormal experience and who doubts such a thing can exist, I suggest you research the phenonoma of the “Super Psychic Children”. These researched, tested and amazing Children, blow away all our conceptions of “normal” reality and categorically prove beyond doubt the existance of the paranormal and psychic powers etc. The Western reductionist materialistic paradigm is set to collapse and unless we in the West get on board we will cease to be World Super Powers. China has at least 30 fully verified “Super Psychics” that have the ability to circumvent our security of information. Of course this is where the rub is. The Western goverments are terrified of “alllowing” the existance of such abilities, because they fear losing their hold on power. What power have they, if we really know what they are up to? An age of honesty enters and they will be compelled to do what they have been voted in to do and paid to do. That is, act in our best interests. This goes way beyond governments though, it also hits at industry. For example the pharmaceutical industries won’t be able to sit on natural cures for chronic and deadly maladies without exposure. They do this all the time, and the FDA is in cahoots with them. You know that in the USA today, if you administer water to someone suffering from dehydration, you could be proscecuted for practicing medicine without a licence!
We have nothing to fear from this blossoming of human consciousness however. We will simply enter an age of honesty, mutual benefaction and co-operation.
Persons with reasonable levels of PSI abilities generally try to support their goverments and law enforcement agencies by helping solve crimes etc.
Those of you who use Holosync regularly and haven’t had a paranormal or psychic experience are blocking such with your lack of belief in my opinion. It’s like building a car but never believing it will fire up and not trying to drive it!
Those of us with even relatively low level of pyschic abilities and who have had multiple paranormal experiences are generally frustrated in talking to, explaining to, demonstrating to the blind ignorant apes who haven’t even to basic level of understanding of the way the universe works. That is the aforementioned reductionist materialists.