A response to all your comments about my last post about The Secret…
First of all, I do thank you for all your posted comments. I read them all, and I wish I had time to answer all the questions and respond to all the comments you made, but I just don’t. If I did, I wouldn’t be able to get all my other work done (and that work is designed to create more ways to help you grow). Hopefully, as I discuss development more deeply–we’ve just scratched the surface–all of this will become more clear and most of your questions will be answered.
I do answer a few of your comments below, though, so keep reading.
First, let me say that pretty much every negative or critical comment I read assumed something I didn’t say or mean, and then shot it down. There’s really no reason to defend against a criticism of something I didn’t say in the first place. I guess I have to get better at saying what I mean in a way that cannot be misunderstood. Before you rant about what I’ve posted, you might take a step back and ask yourself if I actually said what you are arguing against.
What I’m trying to say about the developmental process is really quite simple. Many, many researchers have found that people (and societies) move through developmental stages–cognitively, morally, spiritually, in terms of ego development, in terms of their values, and in many other ways. In each new stage, a person has a wider and more all-inclusive perspective, in which they see (and have conscious choice over) more than they could see or consciously choose at the previous stage. What they were immersed in before, they can see and exercise choice about from the new perspective.
In this sense, higher developmental stages are more resourceful, and they involve a greater ability to see other points of view, other perspectives. People move to a new and broader perspective, however, only when the old perspective doesn’t work. The environment changes, and to deal with it, they have to grow into a new way of thinking, acting, and seeing.
For those of you who cling to magical explanations of the world, life, and so forth, and who argue so strongly for your view–I wish you well. I don’t know what else to say. I’m not trying to get you to give up your point of view–UNLESS, of course, you’re having a hard time functioning well in the world. In that case, you might want to examine whether or not believing in magic is holding you back.
For those who assumed that by “not believing in magic” I was somehow offering a dry and lifeless view of things, where all the joy is gone from life (indicating that I’m a desperate and sour human being living in a tortured hell), all I can say is…WHAT? Are you kidding? Existence, being human, being in this universe, and all that goes with it is 1000% awe-inspiring, amazing, overwhelmingly incredible. The universe, once you get your IDEA of it–and your IDEA of who you are–out of the way, is entirely, infinitely love. And I don’t mean this metaphorically, I mean it literally, because that’s they way I experience it. I didn’t always experience it this way, but I certainly do now.
My world is one of bliss, and I invite all of you to jump in, because the water’s FINE.
And you can jump in. Keep using Holosync, and keep doing whatever else you’re doing to grow and expand your perspective. As you do, infinite love as the ground of reality will become more than just a lovely idea, I promise. You ARE infinite love, and you deserve to experience yourself as such.
Only your mind, and your ideas of who you are and what the world is, stands in the way. Stop confusing your ideas of who you are with the reality of who you are, and it happens.
In a metaphorical sense, you could say that the feeling of awe and love about being human in this universe is “magical”–if by magical you mean, ”delightful, awesome, joy-inspiring.” What I’ve been referring to, though, is something entirely different.
The kind of magic I’m down on involves thinking (or hoping) that the laws of nature can be suspended so you can have something you want but can’t figure out how to get, but without actually doing anything to generate it or deserve it. (Magical thinking with children is a bit different–it’s just a matter of not yet seeing how things work, such as thinking that the moon is following you as you ride along in a car, because that’s what it looks like to a child. They don’t know enough to realize this isn’t possible.) As someone said in their comment to me, magical thinking is all about “me” whereas post-conventional thinking (and beyond) is about “us”.
The idea that there is no such thing as something for nothing is the real meaning of the Law of Attraction–things are always balanced. You get back in equal measure, in one way or another, what you put out. Hoping to get something for nothing is a sign of magical, pre-conventional thinking.
A few of you referred to using “magic” to get parking spaces. I’ve parked my car thousands of times over the 41 years I’ve been driving. Somehow I always seem to get a parking spot. As I drive by all the other parked cars, I notice that those people also ended up with parking spots (there they are: parked). Amazing! (I think I can remember one time when I literally could not find a place to park–not because my mojo left me, but because all the spaces were full.)
So, when you’re looking for a paking spot, did all those people who already have one use magic to get it? Or were there just fewer spots than cars at that moment? And if you’re looking for a place to park (while you “put it out to the universe” that you’ll get one), do you finally find one because you used your mind to make someone’s car disappear from their spot, so you could have it? Does this seem a little bit me-oriented? Or maybe your call to the universe made someone leave their spot before they really wanted to, just so you could have it?
If this is what you think, this IS magical thinking (it’s also very self-centered thinking–should you have someone else’s spot just because you used the right magic charm?). Look, people, either there’s a spot available, or there isn’t. And, as anyone who drives can tell you, there nearly always there IS a spot, so finding one isn’t proof of magic. It’s the result of driving around until you find it.
Big sigh…
I could say something similar about “synchronicity,” the idea that it’s magic if you meet just the person you need at just the right time, or it’s magic if someone calls you just when you were thinking about them. There’s a very logical explanation for why you often meet the person you needed to meet, or why you find the resource you need, just when you need it. This happens because you had your attention focused on the need, or on finding such a person.
So, when you came across him (or her), he or she stood out like a sore thumb. If you hadn’t been looking, you’d have met the same person, but the meeting would have been unremarkable. As I said, focusing your attention on what you want alerts you to people and resources that might help you get it. This is just one example of how focusing your mind works to generate actions that lead to the result you want. Trust me, you would have run across the same people or things–you just would have overlooked them.
And when someone calls when you were thinking about them, this is a coincidence. Think of all the times you’re thinking about someone and they don’t call. You probably think of other people during the day hundreds of times, without receiving a call. Yet some of you jump on the times when someone coincidentally does call as “proof” of some sort of magical Vulcan mind-meld.
Another sigh…
If you’re counting on this type of magic to functionally get through your life, you’re not going to do too well. Look, the only reason I bring any of this up in the first place is that I get many letters from people who are madly “putting it out to the universe” and (of course) getting no results. They write to ask me why it isn’t working. These people are having trouble making money, getting a decent job, attracting friends, having a relationship that works, and so forth. It’s sad–and unnecessary–to live this way. Life does not need to be a struggle.
The real problem is that such people (for various reasons) haven’t learned the basics skills of the conventional level of development–the functional ways people use to get along in the world in the areas of job, money, social interaction, and so forth. Because they don’t know how to do these things very well, they are easy prey for the idea that magic will somehow get them what they want. But magic isn’t going to help, my friends, unless you want an occassional coincidence. What does work? Learning how to focus your mind on what you want, and then taking appropriate actions to get it–actions that create value.
Since I care about people who are stuck in this way, I just have to tell them that magic isn’t the solution.
But, as I’ve said, if you really want to give magical thinking a try, go for it.
This might be a good time to bring up another nuance on this whole subject of developmental levels and magic. Many of us see the limitations of rational thinking. This actually started with what is called The Enlightenment, which began in the 15th century. This “Age of Reason” supplanted the previous church-centered reasoning (which was, quite frankly, magical, or pre-rational, in most ways).
Here’s a good example of this type of pre-rational thinking. When it was discovered that Jupiter had seven moons (we now know that there are more than seven, but at this point only seven had been discovered), the pre-rational thought-leaders of that time responded with statements such as, “Well, of course there are seven moons. There are seven orifices in the human body, so it makes sense that Jupiter would also have seven moons.” This numerological view is a type of magical thinking, the idea being that the there is some magical reason for things to come in sevens.
This new Age of Reason began to find out many things about the world that had previously been explained by some sort of magic or otherwise assigned a pre-rational source or reason. This new rationalism was the beginning of the age of science, and this shift from pre-rational to rational was in many ways a very good thing for humanity. It brought modern technology, modern medicine, longer life-spans, better food production, and many other positive changes. The reason you have the time to read this (and that we can communicate at a distance like this), instead of having to till your fields from dawn until dark just to survive is one result of the Age of Reason.
But the Age of Reason wasn’t all moonbeams and rainbows. In suppressing pre-conventional views it also threw out the baby with the bath water. It decided that unless something could be empirically proven or seen, it didn’t exist.
Some of what couldn’t be seen was, indeed, magical nonsense, but not all. But, unless it could be backed up empirically, out it went. This meant, among other things, that the huge discoveries of Hindu, Taoist, Buddhist, Sufi, Christian, and Jewish mystics (to name just a few traditions) regarding internal states of awareness were seen as irrational fluff. This led to what some have called “Scientism”–an over-reliance on reason and empiricism.
So, today, we have a fairly large number of people who see themselves as post-rational, or post-conventional (”rational” and “conventional” are really names that refer to the same developmental level). These people see the limitations of rationality (some of these people also throw the rational baby out with the bathwater, though, just as the rational advocates threw the pre-conventional baby out with the bathwater earlier in history). Some of the limitations of rationality include, for instance, the post-rational observation that everything is situated in a cultural context, and that this context must be taken into account when looking at what seems to be empirically “real”–in other words, that all meaning is context-dependent.
Another is the realization that the internal dimension (thrown out for the most part by the rationalists), even though it cannot be seen in the same way as “the stuff out there” is still real–and valuable.
So, we have this group of people who see the limitations of rationality–they have moved to at least a post-conventional perspective (this, by the way, doesn’t mean that rationality is wrong–it means that it is partial, that it isn’t the whole story). At the same time we have a lot of people who are still at the pre-conventional stage. These people definitely don’t like rationality because it deconstructs their magical ways of looking at things. (These are the people, by the way, who are angry at me for telling you to give up believing in magic as a method of navigating the world. They love their magical perspective.)
Anyway, because both groups are anti-rational, they look similar, superficially, and are often confused with each other. This is called the pre-post fallacy, or sometimes the pre-trans fallacy. Seeing the limitations of rationality is not the same as being pre-rational, though the two at first glance look the same. When pre- and post- are confused, one of two things can happen. One possibility is that pre-rational magical thinking is elevated to some sort of “trans-rational glory” (as Ken Wilber puts it). Magic is seen as being more advanced that rationality, when it actually is not. Such people want to elevate “the ancient ways” as a solution to the problems of the world.
The other confusion is a reductionism, an explanation of actual, higher, trans-rational ways of seeing the universe as if they were all primitive magical baloney. This is the way most of science sees meditation and other trans-rational points of view. They don’t make the distinction between magical ways of seeing reality and POST-rational ways of seeing reality. One is a NO-rationality stance, while the other is a reality-PLUS stance (it sees the truths in rationality, but realizes that rationality is also limited in some ways).
The pre-/post- fallacy can be seen in social issues, too. During the Vietnam war, for instance, the rationalists (those at the conventional stage, with clear black and white thinking) were for the war. Of those who were against the war, some were looking at it from a post-conventional point of view, where certain principles about life and how countries should interact were more important than “killing those commies.” Others, though, were against the war because “nobody is going to tell me what to do” or “I’m not going to sacrifice my life to save Vietnam from Communism”–a me-centered, pre-conventional point of view (believe me, I know about this–I was one of them). Both groups were against the war, and from the outside it was difficult to tell them apart. These two groups were, though, against the war for very different reasons.
The same sort of confusion comes up with the abortion question. A pre-conventional person is okay with abortion because the only thing that’s important is their own needs. They’re interested in what they want, and the hell with anyone else (including an unborn baby)–a typical narcissistic view. The conventional person is against abortion because it takes a life, and their Truth says taking a life is wrong, and they see this as a purely black and white distinction, with no shades of gray (yes, I know that in other areas such people are fine with taking a life). The post-c0nventional person is, like the pre-conventional person, okay with abortion, but for a totally different reason: they believe that there are principles that transcend those cited by the conventional people. They aren’t, however, pro-abortion for selfish “me” reasons. Yet the two pro-abortion groups look, superficially, the same.
This pre-post fallacy will come up again as we delve more deeply into this treasure-trove of information about development and what it means to each of us.
Okay, on to something else:
A few people critcized me for “benefiting from” The Secret, yet being critical of it, as if this was a moral lapse on my part. In this way of thinking, if I was an actor in a bad movie, I should not give my honest opinion about it because I was paid to act in it. Of course, in this case, I wasn’t paid. We also aren’t selling copies of The Secret, so we aren’t benefiting in that way, either. And The Masters of the Secret course I created is FREE–and was designed to clarify and correct what I see as the deficiencies in the point of view expressed in The Secret, so you can benefit more.
My obligation is to you–to tell you the truth as I see it, and to teach you what I know about growing–emotionally, mentally, and spiritually. I’m coming from an integral view, not a pre-conventional (selfish) view. Yes, more people came to Centerpointe because they heard about me in The Secret. We did “benefit” from that, though the real point is that the people who came to us benefited, as many of you have said in your posted comments.
Quite frankly (and some of you won’t believe this, because you don’t know what it’s like to be in my position), I really don’t care if I benefited. I have far, far more of everything than I’ll ever need and I don’t do things any more for whatever I might get–any more than you think all of the time about whether you’ll eat today or have a warm place to sleep tonight. Abraham Maslow (another developmental theorist) showed that once a need is met (his developmental work was about needs, hence the name “Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs”) you don’t really think about it anymore. I don’t need money, or anything else, so I think about serving. I serve as best I can, and what comes back to me, personally, takes care of itself.
And whether or not I benefited, I can’t help anyone if I’m not going to tell the truth, so I do.
If I were to do things that weren’t good for you in order to benefit myself, that would be an example of preconventional narcissism, an egocentric level of development. I’m not at such a level, and therefore don’t operate that way. Second, operating that way doesn’t create success. As I’ve been saying, pre-conventional methods don’t work very well in the world, so it would be stupid to operate that way, though many people do.
One of the main reasons for the success Centerpointe has enjoyed is that, first and foremost, I’m interested in how I can serve your needs. I learned long ago that my needs are automatically taken care of if I meet yours, so there’s no need for me to worry about that, or to operate without integrity, or to act in any sort of win-lose way.
So, yes, I was in The Secret. I don’t agree with some of what was said in it and some of what was omitted. So, whether or not I benefited in some way, I still have to be honest about what I think–which I do mainly for YOU. If I lied and said that everything in The Secret was great, then those who are struggling, and who need to know that you can’t just wait for the Wish Fairy to give you what you want, are harmed. If I remained silent and allowed that to happen, would that be a good thing?
Enough of that. Hopefully I’m not just wasting my breath (or the tips of my fingers, I guess). The point is that I care about all of you, and hope that in some small way what I share is helpful in making your life better.
Within the next several days, I hope to write something about cognitive development, based on the work of the great developmental theorist Jean Piaget. I think you’ll find it to be very interesting. Then perhaps we’ll go into moral development (based on the work of Lawrence Kohlberg), and then ego development (based on the work of Robert Kegan, Jane Lovinger, and Susanne Cook-Greuter), and then, who knows? As we look into these different lines of development, many things will become clear. This is a fascinating topic, so stay tuned.
Be well.
I agree that developmental theories are fascinating, although back in nursing school when we had to learn them for tests I was not too jazzed about it. But then I was at a lower developmental level than I an at age 62. Way more conventional. I find developmental theory especially fascinating because of my two children who are 4.5 years apart, the youngest (the girl) is and always has been way more developmentally advanced than the older (the boy). They are both adopted and not related to each other. I’m wondering if it is typical that women as a group tend to be more developmentally advanced than men, all else being equal? Would you care to comment on this idea/
Hi Bill,
I am one of your client that came from The Secret. I am very intuitive and felt that I needed to check you out. It took me 3 weeks of listening to the demo before I decided to order the Prologue. I am now at the first level and paying the price on the physical and emotional level. I would not trade this for anything. It is not always pleasant but I know where I am going and I am very grateful that you are there even if you make tonnes of money. You payed the price and you are showing us the way.
Thank You very much.
Thank you so much for offering these in-depth discussions on development. I have just re-committed to using the Holosync CDs because it makes so much sense to me that they are helpful. The Blog is really helping me see whole new dimensions to my resistance to transforming my life for the better, and anything that might be magical! (I ordered Holosync and began using it in April and May. Then put it aside when serious health problems came up.) With that behind me I am truly looking forward to continuous Holosync practice. I was raised an atheist; however, my scientist Father taught me to be curious about the brain and its capacity. I have dwelled in the pre-rational life, slammed the door on it and anything else that smelled of “New Age” for years; then surrendered to my curiousity about The Secret which lead me to you and Centerpointe. I am hungry for an authentic and happy life; and for the knowledge you so generously share.
Much Gratitude,
Susan Gafvert
Rehoboth Beach, DE
A while back I wrote an article through my site, a “pre-blog” e-zine article about this topic. Here’s a quote:
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The Metaphor of the Spiral Staircase
The reason things seem stuck and challenging, by the bye, is contained in yet another metaphor – the spiral staircase.
If you can let go of the western idea of higher=better, what you see is that, on a ’spiral staircase,’ the path returns upon itself. You’ll quickly see that the path of meaning means “same issues, different perspective.” Add in Wilber’s “transcend / include,” and you see that, with each circuit, you bring along (include) what came before, while at the same time, you approach the issue from a more “enlightened” and therefore transcended perspective. (”both / and” vs. “either /or”)
In other words, your issues are your issues are your issues, until you die.
How you deal with them is entirely optional.
A New Way of Seeing
In order to begin conquering the stressors connected with personal development, you have to let go of the western idea that there is a “good, better, best” hierarchy when approaching your own growth. You must move past the notion that “up” is somehow better than “down.”
Please, tell me I don’t have to list all of the judgements and dichotomies within the language, (i.e. higher/lower, right/wrong, good/bad, etc. ) My point is that black/white, dichotomy thinking is deadly. If you can’t let go of judging yourself on the basis of whom you are “better” than, you are well and truly doomed.
I tell clients that they have only one or two issues – and that these issues re-occur with different “faces” – i.e. a relationship issue with parents will re-play with a lover/spouse, and will replay with teachers, and ultimately with our relationship with the Ground of our Being.
Thus, the wise person confronts their issue each time the issue arises, (no matter what the guise or “level,” as opposed to whining about it showing up again.
This is the point of the spiral staircase analogy. Stuff re-occurs. What may change is my perspective.
The whole article: http://www.phoenixcentre.com/features/conscious/spiral.htm
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Bill, as to your paragraph of trying to write more clearly, I suspect Scott Peck was correct, in “The Different Drum. He posited 4 developmental stages for all aspects of life: chaos, fundamentalism, doubt and mysticism. He said that is was difficult to talk “two categories down,” as it seemed to him that the usage (languaging) gap was to large to bridge. He used this example:
fundamentalists might say, “xxx saves me,” whereas mystics might say, “xxx is a good role model for my walk.” Not going to be much dialog there…
A personal note re. writing: My last book came out in 05, and a couple of friends commented that my next book should be easier to understand – “more for the person in the street.” I asked them: But did YOU understand it?” Both replied, “Yes! It’s the easiest read ever!”
Hmm….
Hi Bill,
Keep up the good work! You can’t imagine how much I enjoy this blog and it’s so helpful to me making these things clear. Can’t wait to read your next post
Bill,
Your discussion of Maslow/Wilber’s (et al) developmental stages theory is one of the clearest yet. Thanks.
Another way of viewing “magical” thinking has to do with the simplest definition I ever heard of the idea of “magic”; Anything that is beyond my understanding/level of comprehension seems ‘magical’. My (and maybe yours?) conscious and unconscious intentions/projections onto the Kosmos often seem to result in unexplainable effects. At each developmental stage, I seek to understand what my relationship is with the Kosmos. The cool thing is that the answers at each stage are right – until they don’t work for me anymore – and I either crash and burn, or experience a transformation of awareness.
Wilber’s Theory, for me anyway, have helped to increase my personal comprehension of the Kosmos’ inner workings. Curiously, the more I know, the more incredibly “magical” the universe becomes. The fun part is there doesn’t seem to be any end point; the more you know, the more you know you don’t know.
With regard to the ‘Parking Spot’, I had a bit of discussion with a teacher from Cayce’s foundation, on the very subject, nearly 20 years ago. I’ve had a long time to ‘chew’ on it, so-to-speak.
Here is my opinion: Focusing on achieving a good parking spot is a practical use of one’s abilities. The trade-off, if there is one, is for me to be willing to accept changes in my time line in order to achieve my goal.
For example (I’ve had multiple personal experiences with this scenario), if I know that I am taking the kids to the mall, I begin a process of envisioning and safe, easy trip that includes a close parking spot. I have a practical reason; managing 5+ kids through a mall parking lot can be like herding cats. Therefore, I intend to park close. However, I also know that in order for that to occur, my timing has to be just such that I will arrive in that aisle at the time that another patron is leaving. It isn’t coincidence for me – it is timing. I *know* that there are people leaving close spots regularly. So I am willing to be sensitive to flexible actions during my trip to the mall – traffic changes, alternate route, etc. Sometimes I am even patient in waiting for the girls to _finally_ be ready to go. I know the priorities I have set; certain time of leaving, safe travel, close spot, etc. In my mind, they have priorities and I know the flexibilities I will allow. I *know* what I am doing. And I’ve done it. As have several of my friends. In fact, one friend isn’t allowed to drive to dinner because he never does it and rarely gets a good spot.
Now, I have to acknowledge your first point – you didn’t say ‘close’ parking spot or ‘good’ parking spot. I am – in effect – responding to an argument you didn’t make. I am knocking down a straw man, as it were. But if your response was truly about a ‘parking spot’, with no reference to it’s desirability, then I believe you were being disingenuous. That benefits no one. I hope you weren’t doing that. My hope that you were being short on your reply in order to lead into your further comments regarding pre and post conventional states of belief. In that context those are good comments.
But I believe you are wiser and broader than those comment indicate.
Thanks for creating, reading, and writing.
Hi Bill,
As several others have noted (asked?): do you put psychic abilities and prayer into the realm of “magic”?
The power of prayer is a scientific, documented fact. As for psychic abilities, it is unfortunately a haven for charlatans and worse who prey on the fears of the unwitting. However, if you’ve ever been in the company of one who truly has “the gift” you don’t doubt its existence. I’ve been lucky enough to meet several in this lifetime.
I agree totally that “magic” won’t make your life better all by itself without any input/work on your (my) part. But hard work and a little bit of intuition and the occasional “angel moment” has led me to a very joyous – including prosperous – life.
Perhaps it all depends on your definition of “magic”? Perhaps you would care to clarify yours in light of these discussions…
Thanks for putting yourself and your beliefs out there for our thought, discussion and ultimately, enlightenment.
It occurs to me that pretty much anyone who can even CONSIDER — let alone understand — some of the developmentally advanced viewpoints expressed here must surely be at least in or moving rapidly toward the post-rational/post-conventional stage. Almost by defintion, would that not be the case for anyone attempting to do serious self-growth? I would think that those at the “lower” levels would not even consider such a thing until their current belief system ceased working for them. Then, as explained by chaos theory and the law of entropy (as expressed as the reason why Holosync works), once the old ways no longer work, the system must reorganize at a higher level or cease to exist.
So, it seems to me that anyone who is consciously on this journey is inherently already at or beyond a post-conventional stage (or at very least in the chaos that precedes the reorganization on the way to post-conventional) by the simple fact that they (we) are even able to entertain the possibilities of things discussed here, or that personal growth is anything other than “hogwash” (which I would think would be the belief of someone solidly in the conventional). The major differences, then, come down to how much of the previous stages we continue to try to hold onto and integrate into this higher level, and how much additional information we have begun to acquire so as to be able to put words to newer levels of belief and functioning. Moving forward, there is also of course the experiential component — it’s impossible to truly understand the concept of “enlightment”, for instance, without ever having the experience of it. Without the experience under one’s belt, it’s just an abstract idea that we will either choose to believe or not. But the fact that one can even MAKE the choice to believe it exists would, I should think, put them in the post-conventional stage, right? If so, doesn’t that broadly apply to most everyone here?
Does that make sense? The four basic stages are quite broad. If we think of it as an ascending linear process (which it isn’t, but it makes it easier to talk about), then there are an infinite number of points along the continuum at which we would choose to include or exclude an infinite number of beliefs that came before. The idea that there’s a neat little “box” for each stage that everyone must fit into is not really my idea of integration (nor is it what I think Bill is saying).
Is it that it really comes down to awarenes and conscious choice? If one’s default mechanism is to rely on magical thinking, that’s one thing, and is probably not going to be very resourceful in the long run. “Luck”, or coincidence, will only take a person so far. However, if someone consciously makes a CHOICE to say “what the hell — I guess it can’t hurt to wish” but still couples that with appropriate action and education, and is fully aware that they are making the choice to ALSO indulge in a “lower” level of magical thinking because it’s fun (or feels safe, or whatever), that’s something else entirely. Perhaps as one continues deeper into the realm of the post-conventional — and certainly when into the transcendant — the thought of even making such a choice would no longer occur to you. But it seems to me that as long as it’s a choice, it can still be part of the post-conventional, albeit with a (un)healthy helping of pre-rational thrown in!
Or am I conflating developmental levels with intelligence? This is where I get confused, I think. On one hand, I believe that experience of the Divine (for lack of a better word) can happen regardless of intellect. On the other, it seems like a lot of what it takes to understand the higher levels of consciousness also has to do with how much a person can learn and understand intellectually. Then, of course, to transcend it.
Wow…so much to absorb!
Hey Bill,
You do good work. Service is pretty much all that is left. How can I make myself more resourceful to improve my ability to serve, is my daily question.
My hat is off to your efforts to give “advice” I think of my Granny’s words, ‘wise men don’t need it and fools won’t heed it’. Any yet you keep at it!
Thanks,
hooray for you Bill,
I told a friend about Centerpointe, and they researched it and came back and said that your marketing pitches were constant and that when you subscribed you got bombarded with marketing materials to get you to purchase more stuff. What a shame, I thought. I love your marketing materials, and admire that you have it down to a science. Your desire to help people has come throught loud and clear to me, I have have no problem with you making as much money as you possibly can. I think money comes when you help people. You have helped me. Thank you
Geeze Bill, after reading your article and all the comments, my question seems so insignificant!
I was just wondering how your day was going!
But since we’re on the subject of magic, there are only two times in my life that I experience any type of magic:
1) The look of love I get from my grandchildren…
2) The look I get from my slightly dementia laden dad whenever I tell him:
“I didn’t invent the napkin but I do encourage their use”!
Love and laughter are the only true forms of magic in my world, all the rest are just parlor tricks, fun to watch but you know your being tricked… well unless your my slightly dementia laden dad and you tell him he’s drooling, he’ll wipe his chin for a good twenty minutes until you tell him your were just kidding then he laughs for a good twenty minutes!
Seeing him still able to laugh is magic both to him and to me.
So if some of your readers insist on believing in magic, then tell them to go out there and give someone enough love that you see it come back to you in THEIR eyes!
That’s magic!
Bill,
I always enjoy your comments and insight. I always agree and see your frame and I often also consider what if we had different definitions of nominalizations like “magical thinking”? I sometimes wonder if the models and methods I use would be consider ‘magical thinking’ by you and others and yet I always comfort myself by reminding myself in the model I’m working with at present I’m not concerned with is it “magical or rational or logical thinking”, I see the model I use as results (solutions) thinking. I’m talking results now in the present not months or years down the road.
I just as easily understand the model that you and Ken Wilber present and yet some of the tools and techniques I use that actually help people have the experience of the stages/levels that are in your model may be considered “magical thinking”, as a flash light seems magical to any tribe of people in a remote area who are unfamiliar with electricity, batteries and light bulbs. The difference is what would it feel like to actually be able to experience instead of intellectualize the model you present. That is the value of Holosync and Wilber’s Kit as I see it.
Using something like Spiritual Technology to integrate/align one’s first set of charges/polarities may sound like magic and yet it follows a specific structure all the way through and the results speak more to it being magical thinking or not as they are noticeable now and they made the experience of Holosync or Integral Life System work faster and quicker.
When I or others take someone with a physical issue and in less than 30 minutes correct it, the explanation can seem like magical thinking just because it is using a Quantum Physics model vs a Newtonian Model and the expanded model allows for particular beliefs and expectations that get what most consider miracles.
Again, for me the results determine magical thinking or not. I realize that Quantum and Newtonian models can be placed in more than one of your developmental levels and yet I find it interesting that what a higher developmental level may consider rational (non-magical thinking) to a lower developmental level the non-magical thinking of a higher (or different) developmental level can be considered magical thinking.
Your assessment of “The Secret” has much validity and your explanation of what is missing is a solid one, not the only one and yet it is a solid one. Originally ‘The Secret’ was supposed to be a TV show about and based on the work of Jerry and Ester Hicks and their channeling of Abraham and what was being put forth in their work. A whole Art of Allowing cruise was filmed with lots of one on one interviews with Jerry, Ester, Abraham and others on the cruise.
However, Rhonda’s vision/desire went through some refining as she was putting the project together and now in the latest version, the one where you are still in. Ester Hicks and Abraham have been edited out and there is zero mention of them, their work or any of what started the whole ‘The Secret’ Project.
Also, the real Secret was edited out of ‘The Secret’ and that is one of the major reasons different folks have had to come out with further explanations such as your Masters of the Secret course, etc. Your Life course teaches ways to actually get the real secret that uses the Law that has been called a secret.
The real Secret as research has shown was edited out of Napoleon Hill’s classic “Think and Grow Rich”. (In the unabridged manuscript of Hill’s “Think and Grow Rich” the hidden secret that he refers to 24 times in the book that isn’t in the book and the Secret and was written and the key words and phrases that were edited out of Napoleon Hill’s work and out of Abraham’s contribution to ‘The Secret” is “vibration and vibrational relativity”.
It lines up with Quantum Physics and I like to say it like this, It isn’t that Action is necessary, it is that action is inevitable when one’s thinking and feelings (VAK) are aligned going in the same direction. Then action is inspired vs following a formula of do A, then B, then C, then take action.
Watching the movie “The Secret” is like looking for the original and seeing a very close counterfeit. It is just a little bit off so everyone attempt to fill in the missing aspects that are missing to make the counterfeit real and yet even if we get it to look exactly the same by our additions hopefully it will be cashed by the universe as the universe always cashes the original.
To Your Best,
Dr. Vetter
docresults@comcast.net
I like Anthonys comments, worthwhile & maybe I would enjoy more of yours.
Hi Bill,
When i saw “The Secret” i was looking for some majic in my life. I was not in such a good place and needed to believe in something,anythng! What happened is that it started a quest for knowledge……….i couldn’t search the internet enough to quench this thirst inside me to look for a better way to do things. I knew i was unhappy, but didn’t know how to stopp it. I faked my way through my days, searching for peace. I tried manythings, and spent lots of money. I don’t know exactly when, but somehow i tripped across something about Holosync.
I have been using it for 7 months now and am about to move to Awakening Level 2. (I bought the whole program after the initial couple of months) I am far from where I want to be, and I know you have heard this over and over, but I feel it has drastically changed my life for the better already. I am excited about exeriencing the changes I have ahead of me. I can’t wait to go home after work and meditate! I have enjoyed reading everything you have sent and posted and listening tothe retreat tapes and i just want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for the work you have done and the people you have helped.
anytime I get a little frustrated these days, or something doesn’t go my way………I hear Bill Harris over my shoulder whispering “let what ever happens be OK” and then it is.
It is my dream one day to save up enough to go to one of your retreats. So don’t go anywhere, OK! You ROCK!
Great Blog! Great conversation!
I would like you to comment on action. My pattern has been to flail about, taking as much action as possible in the hopes that something would work. Needless to say, I get very tired. Until recently, I had no clue how to sit back, and watch, and wait for the right action to appear.
The segment in the Secret with Jack Canfield (?) showed this so well. – Jack intended to make $100,000, but had to wait months until the magazine popped out at him, and he realized he had to get into that mag somehow. And then later a reporter from that mag showed up and he knew this was it…
So, how do you know which actions to take? Intuition? A gut feeling? Do you simply take any action and expect that will be enough? How do you know when to act and when to wait?
Back to magic – I think there is some semantic confusion happening around the word magic. Most people on the blog seem to be using it in a very superficial way. Old pagan understanding of magic was that “magic” was the result of knowing how the universe worked. Doing things (taking action!) resulted in “magical” healing because that action was aligned with patterns of the universe that automatically lead to healing! This seems to me to be what science is trying to unravel – how does the universe work? For this reason magic will never be a negative word for me. It seems to me this is all what we are trying to understand, so that we can save ourselves, our environment.
Looking at ancient beliefs passed down in indigenous cultures can provide enormously valuable guideance for todays challenges – restoring the earth, restoring community, restoring our own sense of self worth and balance. Science is a newcomer to the exploration of how the universe works. It’s great, but young. Thousands of years of understanding of the natural world is available to us if we humble ourselves enough to ask. I am grateful the Bioneers (www.bioneers.org) is one organization that is combining the best of science with the guidance of indigenous elders.
Thanks again for the conversation!
Hi Bill,
I watched The Secret and was very impressed with your story about Robert, the gay guy who was bullied at work, hated his job, and wanted to be a stand-up comedian. In your segment, you said that you told Robert to change what he was focusing on – what he doesn’t want – and focus on what he DOES want. And you said that, magically, in 6 weeks, everything changed – the people at work who harassed him before either resigned, or moved to another company, or started totally leaving him alone! And the homophobic people who abused him, were no longer there! And in his stand-up comedy gigs, he got standing ovations!
From your story, Bill, it seems that Robert took NO ACTION except to change his thoughts from what he didn’t want, what he waas afraid of, what he wanted to avoid, to what he DOES want. So isn’t your story an example of the “magical thinking” that you’re criticising?
Unless there are some other parts to this story of actions Robert took to change his situation, that were cut out of the movie, it seems that Robert changed his situation solely by changing what he focused on – am I right?
If not, perhaps you could clarify – for all of us – what you meant in telling this story in The Secret.
Many thanks,
Sandra
Hi Bill,
It seems that some of your viewpoints could easily be construed as being modern scientific conventional thinking. Scientific conventional thinking has become the core point of view of our modern world. This way of seeing the world can be well tested, verified in laboratories, written up in peer reviewed journals, printed into text books and eventually solidified into the minds of millions via the endorsements of highly qualified and respected teachers and commentators.
These scientific viewpoints thus become hardened into ‘facts’ and therefore the only ‘rational’ way of seeing the world. That is until the indisputable ‘fact’ is disproved when a subsequent ‘fact’ supersedes it. Generally this occurs when a new observational technique or device allows the same phenomena to be observed in an entirely new way. The history of science is rife with this. Nevertheless, scientific ‘facts’ are often seen as the indisputable ‘truths’ of our modern world.
Our current society is primarily centered on beliefs in these proven ‘truths’ and in a philosophy that can be termed ’scientific rationalism’. The benefits of this worldview have been great. Basing our decisions on repeatable observations has brought us tremendous technological gain. The dark side of this collective viewpoint has been the death of the importance and meaning of life.
The standard bearers of this view are the ‘radical materialists’ who see all of life as chemical interplay. The body and mind are seen solely as a manifestation of the material and belief in the existence of the spirit, or soul, is just seen as a remnant of magical thinking. This ‘logical/rational’ view, taken to its end, often results in nihilism. An individual life, including human life, has no meaning, no purpose, no moral or ethical imperatives, and is therefore hopeless and pointless.
There is ample evidence that this nihilistic view is quite prevalent in our society and that its consequences for the whole, and the individual, are dire. The incredible number of people on anti-depressants is but one symptom of this malady. I know there are numerous other reasons for the prevalence of antidepressants, but the underlying morose brought on by this nihilistic view cannot be denied.
Bill, it seems that your view adheres to this scientific conventionalism at times. I am trying to align your statements which reflect a mechanistic view with other claims that they come from a transcendent origin. Your assertions indicate an understanding of life that consists of each individual as an island with no underlying connection to other people or to the rest of the universe. Your statement in regard to synchronicity is particularly indicative of a mechanistic viewpoint. Are you saying that you believe that an individual has no connection with the collective consciousness, big mind, universal consciousness, God or the many other names placed on the unnamable? Are you saying that there is no connection to whole that can be sensed or experienced? If that is what you are saying it is certainly at odds with the vast majority of voices which speak from transcendental experience. Please correct me if I am misinterpreting your position.
My interpretation of your writings is that you see synchronicity as the brain having the right set of filters turned on in order to become aware of something. Further, you assert that certain occurrences, which can be of remarkable congruence with an individual’s plans and needs, are just coincidence. You also indicate that believing that synchronicity is possible is likely to lead to poor results in life. “If you’re counting on this type of magic to functionally get through your life, you’re not going to do too well.”
In my personal experience, letting go of mechanist ideas, which were acquired from years of scientific indoctrination, and by seeing reality from a more post conventional, and at times transcendent view, with the aid of years of meditation, helped me to see that the belief in coincidence alone is the lower order viewpoint. This shift in perspective has hardly been my downfall as my life over the last twenty years has improved in everyway.
Overall, I think that the warnings against the magical/preconventional modes of thinking are valid. However, be careful not to throw the transcendent baby out with the magical bathwater. Adherence to the scientific view can pull one out of the morass of magic, but lodge one in the mire scientific conventionalism.
Thank you Bill for creating this thought provoking blog and thanks to those who have posted such interesting and insightful comments.
Great response, Bill!
I agree that the action piece is sadly missing from The Secret movie. I must admit, though, I have had the “who’s calling on the phone” intuition for many years and for more than just a few calls here and there. I also experience precognition routinely and yet I prefer not to analyze this gift too much.
I am really interested in hearing your thoughts on Piaget. As an MA in Education, I’m more of a Freirean thinker myself so I’m looking forward to your thoughts!
Best regards,
Alice
If you believe in psychics go to this webiste:
http://www.randi.org/joom/
There you will find a million dollar prize for anyone who can prove it- and no one has ever even come close.
I love your blog. Thanks for taking the time to do it. I agree wholeheartedly with what you’ve said thus far re: devlopmental levels.
I also think you’re right on about The Secret. You rock, Bill!
Bill,
thanks for your honesty and clarity. It is very refreshing.
I really appreciate your willingness to show up and share what you have learned and experienced (holosync).
I look forward to each and every post.
Love and peace.
Dirk
Bill,
I left the TM movement thirty years ago – because it worked! I evolved beyond the conventional thinking level which it seemed to be opperating from. The TM Siddhis program seemed to be a step backwards into magical thinking – the law of gravity no longer applies! Since you have identified yourself as a TM Siddha, I’d like your comment on the benefits of the progam, as opposed to the hype.
Thanks,
Joe Bally
Great post Anthony, the awareness part is my favorite. Most people are clouded with limiting beliefs, etc. When the teachers say get absolutely clear on what you want, I think they mean free yourself from the limiting frames of mind as part of the visualization. As my friend says, fuzzy pictures lead to fuzzy results.
Bill talks about taking action and giving value to others. I want to address this point. Just as our limiting beliefs and what we put out into the universe are often unconscious, our positive results can be in there as well. I’ll get back to this point in a second.
Bill spoke about him always getting business opportunities left and right and him having to say “no to all” in a seminar I was watching. Even here, we see him saying “I don’t want the money.” I’m here to say that’s why he has the money. This is one of the things that the secret never taught.
Have you ever experienced the more you want something, the further it goes? It works in all areas of life. If you put a big value on something, your mind tries to over-analyze and you get “I hope I do this right” syndrome. The power of our mind is so great that we can do anything! So the less you want something, and the more normal it feels, the easier it will be to take action, and the easier it will come to you. Bill doesn’t have to take massive action in making money because he BELIEVES making big money is absolutely normal for him. So the action he takes to do it is probably automatic and the results are obtained easily. So bring no significance to the outcome. Bill says “learn from the best and copy them.” Well Bill doesn’t really care that much about making money, he’s not attached, so you should be unattached and think it’s normal also!
Mandeep
http://mastermindmiracles.com
Your quote:
Many, many researchers have found that people (and societies) move through developmental stages–cognitively, morally, spiritually, in terms of ego development, in terms of their values, and in many other ways. In each new stage, a person has a wider and more all-inclusive perspective, in which they see (and have conscious choice over) more than they could see or consciously choose at the previous stage. What they were immersed in before, they can see and exercise choice about from the new perspective.
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Absolutely, and in your well-said statement above is also the summation of your other statement that you can’t solve a problem from the same developmental standpoint as when the problem was generated.
I’ve found that the spiral theory does a great job of explaining this, as exhibited on Integral Institute’s web site. I wonder why you are refraining from explaining human development in this way.
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your quote:
One of the main reasons for the success Centerpointe has enjoyed is that, first and foremost, I’m interested in how I can serve your needs. I learned long ago that my needs are automatically taken care of if I meet yours…
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I hear you, Bill (Mr. Harris!) How true, and I believe you. Trancendence can be spotted by this single attitude that “my needs are taken care of when I meet your needs…” or teach you how to meet your needs, and duplicate my success.
Bill,
Nice post. Thanks a lot!
Stay happy,
Y
Hi, this is the first time I give an opinion about anything on a blog ever, but I couldn’t help myself. People forget that we are individuals and as such, what resonates with one might not resonate with another. In my opinion people should use what ever information is given, digest it, take the best and keep on moving, instead of wasting time arguing about someone else’s generous and unselfish opinion of what ever information he or she has acquire through life. We are in a learning process and I am just grateful for someone like you who’s sharing your knowledge, whether I agree with it entirely or partially. Maybe at a later time that which I might disagree with, will make all the sense in the world. Some of it is data now, later might become truth. We just don’t know for sure. It’s nice to be able to truly listen and to appreciate what is given at any time.
Thank you for you giving…
Bill,
Your blogs are fantastic. I rave about them. I’ve heard so much criticism about the Secret, and what people say is just in a way; but granted it comes down to your pre-coventional/post-conventional views. I make sure I tell people critical about the secret to check out your blog to see the perspectives of one of the teachers from the Secret (and really, that of the others as well, as I know the others promote taking Action as well, as opposed to magical thinking).
Thanks Bill. I cherish you.
–Sean
Wow Bill, have just found your blog on The Secret, well written and so understandable. I have been doing Holosync for around 5 years now and am on level 4. I attribute the great leaps in my personal growth, the ability to get above a problem to view it and also my ability to “let go ” of rising crap… all of this and much more, to Holosync.
I also believe in fairies but that does not mean l can see them, thanks for putting The Secret into perspective for me.
Thanks, Bill – as ever, you’re helping to make the world a little clearer.
Hello Bill, I agree with you concerning the ‘Secret’. The meat ” (the truth) of the information was left out of the book and movie. hmmmm, maybe that is why she is producing another movie?? When I saw the second cut of the movie (the one without Hicks in it) I knew that in a year or so lots and lots of people were going to be very diappointed. However, she did connect into alot of people , who will hopfully pursue the information and contact you for a fuller understanding of how to manifest. I am working my way through the first level of your online course and am more than just pleased with the results. Through them you are teaching the real deal!!!!! Thank you!
i am so glad to be part of this revolution
the industrial revolution did so much for the 20th century
i feel you are contributing to a new revolution for the 21st century which ultimately will make the industrial revolution seem like childs play
the world is moving forwards again!
Wow!!!!!!! Thank you so much for this. I cannot tell you how much you & this series (The Masters of The Secret) has ALREADY helped me. I’ve had so many problems with some of the things that my husband got into & left me partly because of because they center around King Solomon and magical mysticism. While I believe what you’ve stated above about magic (”delightful, awesome, joy-inspiriing”) as well as leave things open to being beyond my understanding & thus can look magic, I also feel and relate so much to your comment, “Such people want to elevate “the ancient ways” as a solution to the problems of the world.” Your series and comments are also helping me with the problems I had when I watched only 1/2 of The Secret & felt nausiated and frustrated by what seemed like a surface, materialistic, fantasy life of wishing which didn’t work for me nor appeal to me. Your clarifications have already transformed my life. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I am taking steps toward my ultimate freedom and the freedom of others.
Bill you clearly and articulately answered any question I had. I was thinking the other day “Am I just seeing all my dream cars because I sent them there, or my perception is clearer and more “ready to see them?” Something told me it was the latter and I thank you from the bottom of my heart for all the help you have given me and the rest of the HOLOSYNC users.
I understand what you are saying when you say it is more important to serve people then to benefit from say “The Secret.”
I look forward to more of your blog posts. I realize you are busy but they are interesting reads and helpful and informative to me, as I am sure to other readers here.
Samadhi (Marie E. Pollnow)
Bill, Thanks for this blog, I’m becoming aware that a lot of my thinking that I thought was postconventional is actually pre. This is helping me a lot, thank you. Chris
Thanks Bill, I really appreciate this Blog. I would like to hear your response to Anthony. I also have some confusion about your meaning of magic. I know what you do not include but is there anything you do include such as spiritual healing or prayer.
Hi Bill,
Thank you for the Blog. You have now convinced me that Holosync is a meaningful, useful tool to help me navigate life. I confess that for a few months I have been using the program(Prologue)without any of the support media that you offer. Someone gave me the copy off of a Russian Share site. Although I feel that I have benefitted by using Holosync, I haven’t fully understood it. I would read Mind Chatter and often times thats all it was-chatter, a magazine, it did not SPEAK to me. The Blog however is so much more revealing of your character and your mission. It certainly does take courage to put this stuff “out there” knowing that each person will understand and react to it from their own particular level. I don’t always agree with you but I trust you.
You are helping me and I am grateful for your work. To help myself I am going to purchase Holosync and get the whole understanding of the program. I’m getting on the Bus-it’s going in the direction I’m headed.
I hope you can keep up the Blog.
Dawn
p.s. what is your definition of Magic?
Bill-
I can’t tell you how much I admire you and your point of view. I’ve always had a “post-conventional” view on things ever since I was a young teenager on my quest for finding my place in the spiritual world. Most of my friends were avid Christians and I visited many churches. I still find happiness in every day and in every role I serve on this crazy little planet called Earth.
Thank you for your wonderful answers!!!! I didn’t read all of the comments on The Secret, but I also felt that there was something missing. How can I access “Masters of the Secret” course that you talk about? I have been working hard for very long without visualizing and without setting myself up for success before acting. The Secret gives us all great ideas on how to create the right frame of mind to happily achieve our dreams, but it makes it sound like magic. Thanks for the wake-up call!
Bill,
I have just started reading your blog and wanted to say simply thank you for sharing your insight with us. I find what you communicate makes so much sense.
Hi Bill..
Wow, amazing discussion (with your few previous posts as well) using the developmental stages. They’re similar labels that Kohlberg uses for moral development (pre-conventional, conventional and post-conventional). As a recent psychology graduate, I look forward to your future posts, especially on Piaget! I never actually knew that my studies in psychology would be so applicable ‘in the real’ world. =)
- Julius
Hey Bill I gotta say this is good. I am doing my affirmations right now for the second level and just reading and reading them to get it ready to send in is making me bliss out! Wow if you are sinking this into my daily meditation cd I can only imagine how well I’m going to feel!
Thank you very much!
Anne in Brithish Columbia.
Hi everyone, maybe ‘the secret’ should have been titled ‘the magic’!
Hi Bill,
Iam enjoying your Holosync program. I have just shortly joined and enjoy
all the different experinces I am encountering. With humour I am begining
to find clarity and are focusing in some direction. Thnks to you
Regards
aneeta
south africa
As Bill has stated, he is human. His thoughts are HIS, not YOURS. Everyone is a unique spark of energy and everyone’s thoughts vary from one to another. ALL of equal importance in these blogs, for or against the subjects. If more people were turned on to The Secret, good. If more people were turned on to Holosync, good. If not, whatever! If it comes down to more positive energy in the world, isn’t that a good thing in order to raise the levels of consciousness?
Bill, you’ve obviously got people thinking!
I’ve learned to benefit from both sides of the coin!
Regina
Peace
Bill: Just to let you know I think you are a very wise man. What hurts is that your having to justify yourself like you had to do in this last blog just was crazy. If other people want to come down on you it is because they are miserable. You don’t have to justify yourself. All you have wanted to do is help other people be better people. I really feel bad for you that you had to take so much energy from yourself to write all of that. I usually wouldn’t write anything but felt compelled to do so.
One of my bad habits is going to the source to find answers. In this case, I went to http://www.themastersofthesecret.com/ and read Bill’s first session. He very clearly discusses in that session with Joe Vitale exactly where he stands with regard to manifestations–writing down goals, thinking about them, asking himself how he’s going to achieve them, and then following through. Joe mentions visualizing the goals he’s working on and when either of them stop doing those things, their successes taper off accordingly.
I think we could narrow it down to about one word–focus–with one caveat, apparently. One other thing he mentions there is that you can have anything you want as long as you don’t need it, i.e., you prefer, but aren’t attached to, the outcome–you’re willing to accept your goals regardless of how they come to you. I recently told a group of people that they should be more concerned with the message they’re being given than the way it’s delivered–separating the wheat from the chaff, or finding the diamond in the rough. I think it’s Brian Tracy who talks about finding the nugget of gold. I’ve been to week-long seminars where nothing substantial came until Thursday afternoon, but that one nugget was worth all of the rest.
I think this needed to be said.
It’s what I’ve been thinking towards for a long time.
Thanks!
Hi .
I was blessed with a so called near death exeprience , so I totaly agree with you regarding your statments about LOVE.
I havent read ” The Secret”, but know about the positiv affirmation idea.
You divide phenomena in: laws of universe andmagical thinking, but do we really know ALL the laws and it`s possibilities? Since I have had four precognitive experiences , which was possible to verify ( I “saw” people in places were I had absolutely NO reason to believe they were, drove there to check it out and there they were!!) i`m convinced there is a lot more to know about the universal laws.
Best regards and a HUGE thanks for all clarifying mind chatters you have written and your creation: Holosync.
Hi Bill,
A little question that has been lolling around in my head is…..
Personally i believe there are people on Earth that can “communicate” with the spiritual world ie:- talk to dead people :-S
would you consider this as a developmental stage that is possible in all humans blocked out in our sub-conscious mind which may be attainable with the advanced use of holosync?
great blog and personally i agree with what Nancy Helm has written
hope you have time to consider my question
take care and have fun!
dear bill,
I believe that you really mean what you say, and you do care about all of the people who follow your program, this shows in the way the material is presented, furthermore it shines through in a way that when I receive any centerpointe material I feel that there is great value in it, never have I had the feeling of being ripped off. give and you shall receive, that is why you don’t need anything.
thank you for existing!
david / switzerland